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Chronicles of Nations - Civ Quest

Should the world be a Low Fantasy setting?

  • Yes

    Votes: 63 70.0%

  • No

    Votes: 27 30.0%
  • Total voters
    90
  • Poll closed .
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demonthese2211 said:
I'm really confused about the whole put her family before her people thing. Maybe I need to go back and reread but I never got the feeling that Bronwyn went home at night to kick puppies and plot on how best to steal candy from babies.
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It wasn't blatantly evil like that. It was subtle. Bronwyn wanted to look out for her family by giving them an advantage over everyone else and then justified doing that as being best for the People afterwards.
Oshha said:
It took some seasons to get the work done, but by the end of it, Cadlon Bronwyn the Beautiful had ensured the future of her descendants.
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Raichu1972 said:
Hmm, I do admit to being a little worried about the Merntir.
If they consider a Temple to our Goddesses to not be both ours and theirs, then that sounds like the start or continuation of some sort of schism, either culturally (which is already happening) or religiously (we'll build our own Temple which truly represents the Goddesses!)
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It is more that they realised you are on the verge of culturally absorbing them and now the current generation is freaking out about that and trying to stop it.
 
demonthese2211 said:
I'm really confused about the whole put her family before her people thing. Maybe I need to go back and reread but I never got the feeling that Bronwyn went home at night to kick puppies and plot on how best to steal candy from babies.
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She put her family in power, in order to ensure that her family would always be better off than everyone else, even though there are bound to be people better at leading than her family somewhere out there. So she's denying better leadership to the People, while also benefiting herself and her people, which completely goes against the Community Mandate, and Born Equal mandate of Arthyrn.
 
Random Member said:
All this proves is that you really can't rely on gods. The shitty ones try to fuck you over "for your own good" and the good ones aren't willing to protect you from their shitty siblings.
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Add to that that Arthryn is putting her own family first as well. Basically she is saying that Bronwyn is responsible for it and later on she is just confirming that both Evalyn and Wryn helped Bronwyn yet only Bronwyn is punished and people threatened while her daughters aren't from the looks of it.
 
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demonthese2211 said:
I'm really confused about the whole put her family before her people thing. Maybe I need to go back and reread but I never got the feeling that Bronwyn went home at night to kick puppies and plot on how best to steal candy from babies.
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Bronwyn did make it so only her family could become Cadlon, thus making them have opportunities other Arthwyds can't have.

And while she had Divine support, she didn't have the one person who actually mattered.
 
Star said:
Add to that that Arthryn is putting her own family first as well. Basically she is saying that Browyn is responsible for it and later on she is just confirming that both Evalyn and Wryn helped Browyn yet only Browyn is punished and people threatened while her daughters aren't from the looks of it.
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Who says that Evalyn and Wyrn weren't punished?
 
Star said:
Add to that that Arthryn is putting her own family first as well. Basically she is saying that Browyn is responsible for it and later on she is just confirming that both Evalyn and Wryn helped Browyn yet only Browyn is punished and people threatened while her daughters aren't from the looks of it.
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Wyrn and Evalyn got the same punishment for the same length as Bronwyn, they just don't die from it being Goddesses and all.

At least, that's how I read "they will keep you Company".
 
Gino said:
And yes, I'm thinking we main temple and if possible, blame the resulting famine on the king to give him the boot.
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The problem is ...

Oshha said:
Plus both Wyrn and Evalyn support the hereditary monarchy and they are both goddesses well.
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We're going up against Minipax, Minitrue and Miniluv.
They can literally rewrite Gods and history, which makes it bit hard to get our desired interpretation of the events through.
 
Omegahugger said:
Wyrn and Evalyn got the same punishment for the same length as Bronwyn, they just don't die from it being Goddesses and all.

At least, that's how I read "they will keep you Company".
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Which is basically the equivalent of a stern talking to, whoop dee fucking doo. :rolleyes:

If that's how she's "punished" them, they're not going to stop here. They'll keep fucking with us.
 
Oshha said:
Merntir have gong back to drifting towards community over blood relatives while the Maradysh are double-thinking/sticking their heads in the sand and hoping the new shrines will be enough.
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What kind of government type Merthyr have, are they hereditary monarchy like us now , do they have a council of priests or elective monarchy?
 
Random Member said:
Which is basically the equivalent of a stern talking to, whoop dee fucking doo. :rolleyes:

If that's how she's "punished" them, they're not going to stop here. They'll keep fucking with us.
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Look, salt about it all you want, but the problem here is clearly a societal issue instead of a deity issue.
Our current people don't have issues with a divinely blooded monarchy, so we need to change these views on a societal level.

Bitching about how the Gods are weak and they are the root of all evil or whatever won't solve anything.
 
Raichu1972 said:
Look, salt about it all you want, but the problem here is clearly a societal issue instead of a deity issue.
Our current people don't have issues with a divinely blooded monarchy, so we need to change these views on a societal level.

Bitching about how the Gods are weak and they are the root of all evil or whatever won't solve anything.
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In that case Hero's should be solution here ( they were source of the problem ironically ).

Basically people believe that one great leader is fit to lead them but if it's proven that that leader doesn't have to come from royal family they will start to question said family divine right to rule since there are obviously better candidates for it that don't come from royal family.
 
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Omegahugger said:
Ah yes, following the will of the majority and ensuring it is done. A well known synonym of "fucking with them".
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The will of the majority looses a lot of it's importance when you consider that there's a Goddesss of Brainwashing and Propaganda involved.

Oshha said:
ut since I am without mercy and you could have not done what you did without the support of Wyrn and Evalyn.
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Without Divine intervention rewriting popular opinion, divine monarchy would have failed.
 
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Raichu1972 said:
Look, salt about it all you want, but the problem here is clearly a societal issue instead of a deity issue.
Our current people don't have issues with a divinely blooded monarchy, so we need to change these views on a societal level.

Bitching about how the Gods are weak and they are the root of all evil or whatever won't solve anything.
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And what are you guys doing about it? Absolutely nothing! You'll just keep on muddling through during the next few turns, during which this shit will become the new normal. Then no one will dare change our social views because it might cause us to lose Stability at an inopportune time (because remember, it's never "the right time") or because it might lead to a civil war, and people prefer stability over actually doing the goddamn right thing. And with the thread's love of Heroes and similar shit, people will 9 times out of 10 go for the shiny instead of the option that actually addresses these problems.

I am offering a solution, right here right now. We can throttle this "divine monarchy" shit in its crib!
 
Star said:
In that case Hero's should be solution here ( they were source of the problem ironically ).

Basically people believe that one great leader is fit to lead them but if it's proven that that leader doesn't have to come from royal family they will start to question said family divine right to rule since there are obviously better candidates for it that don't come from royal family.
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And then whoever rules will need to derive a mandate to the people to validate rather than merely some facical divine ceremony.
Random Member said:
And what are you guys doing about it? Absolutely nothing! You'll just keep on muddling through during the next few turns, during which this shit will become the new normal. Then no one will dare change our social views because it might cause us to lose Stability at an inopportune time (because remember, it's never "the right time") or because it might lead to a civil war, and people prefer stability over actually doing the goddamn right thing. And with the thread's love of Heroes and similar shit, people will 9 times out of 10 go for the shiny instead of the option that actually addresses these problems.

I am offering a solution, right here right now. We can throttle this "divine monarchy" shit in its crib!
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YES! Down with tyranny!
 
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