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Strategic Arms Quest 3/2: Armor Edition

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[X] Plan Let's Reduce the Stupid
- [X] Entrants must:
-- [X] Be armed with at least 1 automatic cannon firing ammunition no smaller than 19x110mm
--- [X] Gun(s) must be turret mounted, and capable of at least a rotation speed sufficient to rotate 180 degrees in less than 8 seconds, as well as having at least -5 degrees of gun depression and 75 degrees of gun elevation
--- [X] Must be fitted with a spider sight, in addition to any other sighting and/or rangefinding mechanisms included.
-- [X] Carry enough ammunition for 5 minutes of sustained, uninterrupted fire, with provisions for being re-armed quickly, ideally without needing to cease firing, with the exception of belt-fed weapons being allowed to cease firing long enough to change belts if needed.
-- [X] Be armored against Smg.62 fire at 200 meters from all directions.
-- [X] Be capable of advancing at 20 kph over uneven terrain, and must be able to keep up with the MANN CO Light Tank on road surfaces.
-- [X] Be able to advance 250 kilometers with no more than 2 refueling stops and no breakdowns that cannot be fixed in the field.
-- [X] Have a radio receiver installed, and have provisions for installation of transmitter-receiver.

Seems like a good plan, honestly.
 
X] Plan Let's Reduce the Stupid
- [X] Entrants must:
-- [X] Be armed with at least 1 automatic cannon firing ammunition no smaller than 19x110mm
--- [X] Gun(s) must be turret mounted, and capable of at least a rotation speed sufficient to rotate 180 degrees in less than 8 seconds, as well as having at least -5 degrees of gun depression and 75 degrees of gun elevation
--- [X] Must be fitted with a spider sight, in addition to any other sighting and/or rangefinding mechanisms included.
-- [X] Carry enough ammunition for 5 minutes of sustained, uninterrupted fire, with provisions for being re-armed quickly, ideally without needing to cease firing, with the exception of belt-fed weapons being allowed to cease firing long enough to change belts if needed.
-- [X] Be armored against Smg.62 fire at 200 meters from all directions.
-- [X] Be capable of advancing at 20 kph over uneven terrain, and must be able to keep up with the MANN CO Light Tank on road surfaces.
-- [X] Be able to advance 250 kilometers with no more than 2 refueling stops and no breakdowns that cannot be fixed in the field.
-- [X] Have a radio receiver installed, and have provisions for installation of transmitter-receiver.
 
Considering things, unless @7734 says that it doesn't need to be changed, I think I'm going to want to edit Plan Reduce the Stupid to also allow pauses in firing for gravity fed weapons when reloading/resupplying, as the Lightning Knife might not be able to get past 1000 rounds in a hopper if it sticks with gravity feeding.
 
Ash19256 said:
Considering things, unless @7734 says that it doesn't need to be changed, I think I'm going to want to edit Plan Reduce the Stupid to also allow pauses in firing for gravity fed weapons when reloading/resupplying, as the Lightning Knife might not be able to get past 1000 rounds in a hopper if it sticks with gravity feeding.
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Do we want gravity feed, with all the fiddling it would require due to gun needing to be able to fire at various angles of elevation?
 
Dwergar said:
Do we want gravity feed, with all the fiddling it would require due to gun needing to be able to fire at various angles of elevation?
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Not really, but the modifications requested in the plan for the guns prior to the short entrants showing up didn't directly specify modifying it for belt feed and I didn't think of it at the time.
 
votes called whoooooo
Adhoc vote count started by 7734 on Jan 17, 2019 at 4:51 PM, finished with 37 posts and 8 votes.
  • [X] Plan Let's Reduce the Stupid
    - [X] Entrants must:
    -- [X] Be armed with at least 1 automatic cannon firing ammunition no smaller than 19x110mm
    --- [X] Gun(s) must be turret mounted, and capable of at least a rotation speed sufficient to rotate 180 degrees in less than 8 seconds, as well as having at least -5 degrees of gun depression and 75 degrees of gun elevation
    --- [X] Must be fitted with a spider sight, in addition to any other sighting and/or rangefinding mechanisms included.
    -- [X] Carry enough ammunition for 5 minutes of sustained, uninterrupted fire, with provisions for being re-armed quickly, ideally without needing to cease firing, with the exception of belt-fed weapons being allowed to cease firing long enough to change belts if needed.
    -- [X] Be armored against Smg.62 fire at 200 meters from all directions.
    -- [X] Be capable of advancing at 20 kph over uneven terrain, and must be able to keep up with the MANN CO Light Tank on road surfaces.
    -- [X] Be able to advance 250 kilometers with no more than 2 refueling stops and no breakdowns that cannot be fixed in the field.
    -- [X] Have a radio receiver installed, and have provisions for installation of transmitter-receiver.
    - [X] Entrants must:
    -- [X] Be armed with at least 1 automatic cannon firing ammunition no smaller than 19x110mm
    --- [X] Gun(s) must be turret mounted, and capable of at least a rotation speed sufficient to rotate 180 degrees in less than 8 seconds, as well as having at least -5 degrees of gun depression and 75 degrees of gun elevation
    --- [X] Must be fitted with a spider sight, in addition to any other sighting and/or rangefinding mechanisms included.
    -- [X] Carry enough ammunition for 5 minutes of sustained, uninterrupted fire, with provisions for being re-armed quickly, ideally without needing to cease firing, with the exception of belt-fed weapons being allowed to cease firing long enough to change belts if needed.
    -- [X] Be armored against Smg.62 fire at 200 meters from all directions.
    -- [X] Be capable of advancing at 20 kph over uneven terrain, and must be able to keep up with the MANN CO Light Tank on road surfaces.
    -- [X] Be able to advance 250 kilometers with no more than 2 refueling stops and no breakdowns that cannot be fixed in the field.
    -- [X] Have a radio receiver installed, and have provisions for installation of transmitter-receiver.
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Contest 8: Final Vehicle Submissions
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    • After putting out the formal request for quotes, you promptly got to work on reviewing the new entrants. Most went into the "mail to the AA Corps" bin or the fireplace, while you did get two new entrants that got serious contention.

    Option One was a nearly entirely rebuilt version of an old W-5 chassis hauling around a pair of Slk.69 guns on a new open top turret with basic spider sights, re-engined with the ubiquitous Opel flat and with a new modern track system. About the only thing that stayed from the original was the transmissions and the hull- and even the hull was getting a lot of aplique armor added. Modifications were to be done in the Werser Kingdoms Ganz plant in west Tirol, and then the armament would be fit on at the old Pomeranian Armory.

    Option Two was the new and radically experimental HsKw project coming out of Gorsky Machine Works in Polska. Partnering with Marlene-Benetz's experimental engine division, they had developed a gas powered turbine engine and then proceeded to wrap it in a bare-bones armored carriage built with a GBA-type suspension delivered from Reinhardt Foundries. The horsepower to weight ratio was amazing, but in other regards the platform suffered, carrying a rather anemic armament of two Smg.69s on the outside of the turret ring and a 4cm Baal on the centerline, with all the guns synchronized to a common elevation and turret traverse. Sighting was done through an adjustable pivot lead ring (Grosky had pioneered the system, but Reinhardt had perfected it) that was the core system on the Reinhardt entry without the synthetic aperture system.

    Notifications went out to all the other companies, and a number of revisions went out. Skoda's modifications were simple, adding additional unarmored ammunition panniers to the sides of the tanks in case ammunition depth wasn't enough. Thryssen and the MwF added better radio sets, and in the case of the MwF4 added an in-house machine gun project that used a 19x111 cartridge that just so coincidentally happened to be totally reverse-compatible with the Lightning Knife system. While both Furrer and Mukame and Kalmund und Herman starting a joint litigation over patents (the former for theft of the side-break toggle lock system and the later for lack of patent fees paid over a round designed explicitly to be conformal to their proprietary systems) you grudgingly took the designs in. Fenrus Kettenkrad GmbH did a small modification to their vehicle in adding side skirts and an aplique armor 'basket' around the gun pedestal, but the only really armored compartment was the driver's. GBA pulled their septupple 13.2mm pintle mount, and instead replaced it with a double Slk.62 gun and a large increase in stowed munitions. Reinhardt made no significant changes to their design.

    With the Balloon Training Companies freed up and an opening at the Dimarchssen Prroving Grounds while the Sixteenth Air Regiment used Ulm as a target range, you got ready to dive into vehicle testing.

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    [] Testing Plan
    -[] Write-in

    (Note: This has been a weird contest, so I'll tell you guys you get three updates worth of testing to do.)
     
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    • [X] Testing Plan Bread and Circuses
    -[X] Invite 7th Air Regiment to train in air-to-ground attacks.
    -[X] The test is to be performed in 2 stages:
    --[X] First, contestants have to get cover 30 kilometers offroad under two hours, with further 250 kilometers of road to be covered in 24 hours. Two refueling&resupply points are to be placed at the road to allow arriving contestants to resupply&rest.
    ---[X] Planes of the 7th Air Regiment are to do gun runs with their machineguns on any contestants they can spot outside of resupply areas; They are to break off their attack runs if they are fired upon - to that end contestants are to be supplied with blanks.
    Heavy injury or death of one or more of crewmen during this stage is grounds for immediate disqualifivation.
    --[X] Once contestant has covered first stage, it is given one day with maintenance crews. After that, crew has to demonstrate capability to rapidly acquire and take down targets. To that end, brightly-coloured baloons are to be launched around contestant continuosly, until crew fails to take down 5 baloons before they escape effective range.

    Stupid plan, yes.
    Let's hope that you can do better.
     
    Dwergar said:
    [X] Testing Plan Bread and Circuses
    -[X] Invite 7th Air Regiment to train in air-to-ground attacks.
    -[X] The test is to be performed in 2 stages:
    --[X] First, contestants have to get cover 30 kilometers offroad under two hours, with further 250 kilometers of road to be covered in 24 hours. Two refueling&resupply points are to be placed at the road to allow arriving contestants to resupply&rest.
    ---[X] Planes of the 7th Air Regiment are to do gun runs with their machineguns on any contestants they can spot outside of resupply areas; They are to break off their attack runs if they are fired upon - to that end contestants are to be supplied with blanks.
    Heavy injury or death of one or more of crewmen during this stage is grounds for immediate disqualifivation.
    --[X] Once contestant has covered first stage, it is given one day with maintenance crews. After that, crew has to demonstrate capability to rapidly acquire and take down targets. To that end, brightly-coloured baloons are to be launched around contestant continuosly, until crew fails to take down 5 baloons before they escape effective range.

    Stupid plan, yes.
    Let's hope that you can do better.
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    Is this vote actually advocating for a live fire testing on our own troops?
    Are you daft?
     
    [X] Plan We had a Perfectly Fine Test System Already
    -[X]Test how fast the mounts can be turned 180°
    -[X]Maximum incline before the gun exerts over 50N on the traverse shaft (manual turn)/Speed against incline is halved (power traverse).
    -[X]Time and rounds needed to shoot down a balloon at unknown distance and height (multiple per gun)
    -[X]Test ability to hit a moving target by towing a glider behind a fast car. Car moving towards gun, gun 350m to the side of the endpoint of the towing track
    -[X]All chassis are to do to a road march of 100km
    -[X]Maintenance testing: Barrels/Guns, engine, transmission, tracks, suspension
    -[X]Shoot vehicles with medium and heavy machine guns after all other testing. No crew members, just the usual stand-in pigs

    I don't want anyone to die on our watch because we did a really stupid test procedure. And shooting at the SPAAG's with actual crewmen in them is stupid, some of these are open-topped.

    Also I still don't like the SRB for the gliders, I think the glider will crash or veer wildly off course with it since it is not being controlled.
     
    [X] Plan We had a Perfectly Fine Test System Already But the Planes Are Still Fast
    -[X]Test how fast the mounts can be turned 180°
    -[X]Maximum incline before the gun exerts over 50N on the traverse shaft (manual turn)/Speed against incline is halved (power traverse).
    -[X]Time and rounds needed to shoot down a balloon at unknown distance and height (multiple per gun)
    -[X]Test ability to hit a moving target by towing a glider behind a fast car. Car moving towards gun, gun 350m to the side of the endpoint of the towing track. Shortly before the gun may begin to engage, the glider is released and a simple rocket motor is used to propel it up to expected speeds for an actual airplane for the duration of the remainder of the track.
    -[X]All chassis are to do to a road march of 100km
    -[X]Maintenance testing: Barrels/Guns, engine, transmission, tracks, suspension
    -[X]Shoot vehicles with medium and heavy machine guns after all other testing. No crew members, just the usual stand-in pigs
    This plan made in keeping with the vote from earlier, where fast planes won.
     
    Winged_One² said:
    But it won't actually work. The glider is not laid out for receiving thrust, it's going to lose control when the SRB ignites.
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    @7734 can you confirm this? I know the vote for rocket-assisted targets won the last procedural vote 5-3 without any mention of this in the thread or the updates, so I'd like to check to make sure this new information is accurate.
     
    TortugaGreen said:
    @7734 can you confirm this? I know the vote for rocket-assisted targets won the last procedural vote 5-3 without any mention of this in the thread or the updates, so I'd like to check to make sure this new information is accurate.
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    Well since you asked, yes an unexpected thrust source is going to absolutely fuck over a dedicated tow glider or free glider's control and mechanica systems. It's a glider, it gets it's thrust by falling very, very slowly. Imagine putting a guy in a spiny office chair and pushing him down the hall, and he's fine. Push him down the hall, then run up and deliver a flying drop kick? He's gonna go ass over teakettle.
     
    7734 said:
    Well since you asked, yes an unexpected thrust source is going to absolutely fuck over a dedicated tow glider or free glider's control and mechanica systems. It's a glider, it gets it's thrust by falling very, very slowly. Imagine putting a guy in a spiny office chair and pushing him down the hall, and he's fine. Push him down the hall, then run up and deliver a flying drop kick? He's gonna go ass over teakettle.
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    Fair enough.
    [X] Plan We had a Perfectly Fine Test System Already
     
    theoretically precurser to content depending on how tonight goes
    Adhoc vote count started by 7734 on Jan 19, 2019 at 5:43 PM, finished with 17 posts and 8 votes.
    • [X] Plan We had a Perfectly Fine Test System Already
      -[X]Test how fast the mounts can be turned 180°
      -[X]Maximum incline before the gun exerts over 50N on the traverse shaft (manual turn)/Speed against incline is halved (power traverse).
      -[X]Time and rounds needed to shoot down a balloon at unknown distance and height (multiple per gun)
      -[X]Test ability to hit a moving target by towing a glider behind a fast car. Car moving towards gun, gun 350m to the side of the endpoint of the towing track
      -[X]All chassis are to do to a road march of 100km
      -[X]Maintenance testing: Barrels/Guns, engine, transmission, tracks, suspension
      -[X]Shoot vehicles with medium and heavy machine guns after all other testing. No crew members, just the usual stand-in pigs
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