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Chronicles of Nations - Civ Quest

Should the world be a Low Fantasy setting?

  • Yes

    Votes: 63 70.0%

  • No

    Votes: 27 30.0%
  • Total voters
    90
  • Poll closed .
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[X] Continue the offensive. While the People have failed, those that would taken still need to be saved and the goddess has provided the location of the Sea Hunters, something that the People have failed to find out on their own.
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[X] Turn to the goddess. The People have failed to save those taken and while the Sea Hunter attacks are fended off, the People are still dying and are no closer to striking back at the Sea Hunters. The goddess has been succeeding where the People have been failing so perhaps it is time to seek guidance from Arthryn.

Arthryn the dice god has been doing work for us so far, no reason not to trust her
 
This is more than a decision of playing to our strengths. This is the People's first true taste of war and conflict, we stand to gain more by doing this ourselves in the long term.

Will we get beaten and bloodied in this fight? Absolutely. However that just means we will walk away the better for it. And we will win this fight. As shown in the update we outnumber them to an extreme degree. This is our best chance for our civ to get some real experience with war against a smaller and weaker foe while we have the chance instead of somewhere down the line against a civ that is our equal in size.

I really don't want our people to become reliant on Arthryn because if we ever come into conflict against a civ who's god is on par with her and able to at least lock her down in a drawn out fight we're fucked as our people won't have as much experience with war.

I would much rather the People get their asses handed to them in this fight and proceed to learn from it and gain experience from this conflict personally rather than falling to their knees and hoping Arthryn can bail them out.

We should have our civ live up to the Value we just gained this turn.
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[X] Continue the offensive. While the People have failed, those that would taken still need to be saved and the goddess has provided the location of the Sea Hunters, something that the People have failed to find out on their own.
 
[X] Turn to the goddess. The People have failed to save those taken and while the Sea Hunter attacks are fended off, the People are still dying and are no closer to striking back at the Sea Hunters. The goddess has been succeeding where the People have been failing so perhaps it is time to seek guidance from Arthryn.
 
[X] Continue the offensive. While the People have failed, those that would taken still need to be saved and the goddess has provided the location of the Sea Hunters, something that the People have failed to find out on their own.
 
I will also note that despite all of the raids these guys have been doing with their Martial Hero at the helm and us rolling like shit they haven't done any statistical damage to us what so ever except for losing a point of stability which should be easily gained back after we end the war. I dare say we can beat them rather easily now that we know where they are.

We even gained a point of prestige out of this already.
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[X] Turn to the goddess. The People have failed to save those taken and while the Sea Hunter attacks are fended off, the People are still dying and are no closer to striking back at the Sea Hunters. The goddess has been succeeding where the People have been failing so perhaps it is time to seek guidance from Arthryn.
 
[X] Turn to the goddess. The People have failed to save those taken and while the Sea Hunter attacks are fended off, the People are still dying and are no closer to striking back at the Sea Hunters. The goddess has been succeeding where the People have been failing so perhaps it is time to seek guidance from Arthryn.
 
[X] Continue the offensive. While the People have failed, those that would taken still need to be saved and the goddess has provided the location of the Sea Hunters, something that the People have failed to find out on their own.

We do not have our neighbors back. So we fight.
 
[X] Continue the offensive. While the People have failed, those that would taken still need to be saved and the goddess has provided the location of the Sea Hunters, something that the People have failed to find out on their own.

We have 4 temp martial - not great - and an angry goddess on our side. We! Do not! Abandon them!
 
[X] Continue the offensive. While the People have failed, those that would taken still need to be saved and the goddess has provided the location of the Sea Hunters, something that the People have failed to find out on their own.
 
Ngl
The offensive has a really strong argument. We can't abandon our people. And there is a risk that the goddess may go the "dont go attacking guys"

But I am betting that our goddess isnt going to tell us to abandon our people, but rather how to defeat the enemy. Especially since our traits all side towards us wanting to get our people back.

Therefore, the goddess of justice will seek justice against those who wronged us, will tell us how to right the wrongs, and will allow us to defeat the enemy.

Especially since whatever happened between the gods warranted our goddess to act herself which no doubt earned her ire and make her note the threat they pose.

Going by this, choosing the spirit option doesn't mean we won't attack, it's just the method that changes.
 
Knight Draco said:
Ngl
The offensive has a really strong argument. We can't abandon our people. And there is a risk that the goddess may go the "dont go attacking guys"

But I am betting that our goddess isnt going to tell us to abandon our people, but rather how to defeat the enemy. Especially since our traits all side towards us wanting to get our people back.

Therefore, the goddess of justice will seek justice against those who wronged us, will tell us how to right the wrongs, and will allow us to defeat the enemy.

Especially since whatever happened between the gods warranted our goddess to act herself which no doubt earned her ire and make her note the threat they pose.

Going by this, choosing the spirit option doesn't mean we won't attack, it's just the method that changes.
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It's not that we think that Arthryn won't let us attack it's that we don't want to become reliant on her. There is no reason to think that we will lose this fight and as such we should use the opportunity it gives us to bloody the People so that they can gain experience in war and so that they can take pride in rescuing the captives.

If we rely on Arthryn now, after only a single failure it may influence our civ, as it is still in its infancy, into becoming overly reliant on her and if that happens we will be at a big disadvantage if we ever come into conflict with a war-like civ that has a god that can go toe to toe with Arthryn as the gods will cancel each other and at that point it will be down to the mortals to duke it out.

I would prefer that our mortals are up to snuff.
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UlseDovThur said:
I will also note that despite all of the raids these guys have been doing with their Martial Hero at the helm and us rolling like shit they haven't done any statistical damage to us what so ever except for losing a point of stability which should be easily gained back after we end the war. I dare say we can beat them rather easily now that we know where they are.

We even gained a point of prestige out of this already.
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I think we LOST some prestige actually... It was 6 in Ymarn II and 5 in Ymarn III.
 
UlseDovThur said:
It's not that we think that Arthryn won't let us attack it's that we don't want to become reliant on her. There is no reason to think that we will lose this fight and as such we should use the opportunity it gives us to bloody the People so that they can gain experience in war and so that they can take pride in rescuing the captives.

If we rely on Arthryn now, after only a single failure it may influence our civ, as it is still in its infancy, into becoming overly reliant on her and if that happens we will be at a big disadvantage if we ever come into conflict with a war-like civ that has a god that can go toe to toe with Arthryn as the gods will cancel each other and at that point it will be down to the mortals to duke it out.
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UlseDovThur said:
There is no reason to think that we will lose this fight.
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Alright so two things
First is that with or without Arthyn the people will and already have been bloodied. We depended on her on finding the settlement and what to do from this point on, not the actual fighting. She isn't going to descend and destroy the settlement for us, she will guide our decision, but we will still be the ones to take action. Only in that sense do we grow dependent

Second is that while you may not see any reason for us to lose this fight, I most certainly do.
We have higher numbers in then the enemy, but we will be attacking their home ground, their settlement, maybe their only one. In which case they certainly will have the majority of their forces concentrated there. They probably have a higher fighter to bystander ratio then we do so they will have a fair amount of fighters, they may have defenses around their settlement, their god is probably one of war and if not then they at least have a martial hero. We also have to GO THROUGH MOUNTAINS to get to them. even assuming we go via sea, we may have to go uphill to fight them in which case it becomes a literal uphill battle to win. Our overall population may be large but if we fight the enemy at their home we will be facing heavy resistance.

We have a blessing? neat, they have mountainous terrain to wear us down with attrition that they are used to.
We have numbers? we are facing quite possibly their one and only settlement where all their people are gathered.
Don't overestimate yourself, or underestimate the enemy, this situation has led to the defeat of others in our history even with better odds, ours aren't exactly favorable.
In order to make sure we do this right, we make the most of what we have, a mystic hero focuses on mystics (aka our spiritual option) is the best bet. This isn't about becoming reliant, its about our last resort. We tried before we went to the goddess, and we failed. Now that we have failed we will ask for her help, ONLY after we have FAILED. that's the message I get from what happened. It depends on perspective.
 
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Knight Draco said:
Alright so two things
First is that with or without Arthyn the people will and already have been bloodied. We depended on her on finding the settlement and what to do from this point on, not the actual fighting. She isn't going to descend and destroy the settlement for us, she will guide our decision, but we will still be the ones to take action. Only in that sense do we grow dependent

Second is that while you may not see any reason for us to lose this fight, I most certainly do.
We have higher numbers in then the enemy, but we will be attacking their home ground, their settlement, maybe their only one. In which case they certainly will have the majority of their forces concentrated there. They probably have a higher fighter to bystander ratio then we do so they will have a fair amount of fighters, they may have defenses around their settlement, their god is probably one of war and if not then they at least have a martial hero. We also have to GO THROUGH MOUNTAINS to get to them. even assuming we go via sea, we may have to go uphill to fight them in which case it becomes a literal uphill battle to win. Our overall population may be large but if we fight the enemy at their home we will be facing heavy resistance.

We have a blessing? neat, they have mountainous terrain to wear us down with attrition that they are used to.
We have numbers? we are facing quite possibly their one and only settlement where all their people are gathered.
Don't overestimate yourself, or underestimate the enemy, this situation has led to the defeat of others in our history even with better odds, ours aren't exactly favorable.
In order to make sure we do this right, we make the most of what we have, a mystic hero focuses on mystics (aka our spiritual option) is the best bet. This isn't about becoming reliant, its about our last resort. We tried before we went to the goddess, and we failed. Now that we have failed we will ask for her help, ONLY after we have FAILED. that's the message I get from what happened. It depends on perspective.
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It might not be about being reliant but it may very well happen anyway. Our civ is still in its infancy, any and all of our choices at the moment will have large impacts on the mentality and culture of the civ. Also the only reason we didn't find them ourselves was because we rolled like shit while they rolled ok.

They have been raiding us for years now and they still haven't done any real damage to us. This is a raiding culture so they are most likely fielding a large portion of their forces on these raids and maybe even a majority in the big ones. It is also not a culture that can provide large growths in population so even with the higher bystander rate we will still outnumber them. Quantity has a quality all its own.

Their strategy involves hit hard, fast, and then getting out with the loot. These guys aren't built for a prolonged battle that we, with our far greater numbers and blessing, can bring to the field.

Don't overestimate the enemy and don't underestimate yourself.
 
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UlseDovThur said:
It might not be about being reliant but it may very well happen anyway. Our civ is still in its infancy, any and all of our choices at the moment will have large impacts on the mentality and culture of the civ. Also the only reason we didn't find them ourselves was because we rolled like shit while they rolled ok.

They have been raiding us for years now and they still haven't done any real damage to us. This is a raiding culture so they are most likely fielding a large portion of their forces on these raids and maybe even a majority in the big ones. It is also not a culture that can provide large growths in population so even with the higher bystander rate we will still outnumber them. Quantity has a quality all its own.

Their strategy involves hit hard, fast, and then getting out with the loot. These guys aren't built for a prolonged battle that we, with our far greater numbers and blessing, can bring to the field.

Don't overestimate the enemy and don't underestimate yourself.
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Your first point doesn't really hold any ground, it can go both ways as it can affect our people in the way I was thinking, in the way you were thinking or in some alternative. It COULD end up like that, just like how it could end up like otherwise.

They have been raiding us for years killing our people, why do you think our prestige and stability decreased.
I already told you about the quantity problem. We only have so many warriors compared to them, even if we did outnumber their warriors, we literally are fighting in mountains. We have only ever fought in plains, grasslands. We have never experienced climbing mountains.
You say we are built for long lasting battles and will outlast them, maybe,
But A. Not for mountains we aren't
and B. even with their tactics, they certainly will last a lot longer in the land they were raised over anywhere else.

saying not to overestimate the enemy and underestimate ourselves is one thing, saying "There is no reason to think that we will lose this fight." is another
 
[X] Turn to the goddess. The People have failed to save those taken and while the Sea Hunter attacks are fended off, the People are still dying and are no closer to striking back at the Sea Hunters. The goddess has been succeeding where the People have been failing so perhaps it is time to seek guidance from Arthryn.
 
[X] Turn to the goddess. The People have failed to save those taken and while the Sea Hunter attacks are fended off, the People are still dying and are no closer to striking back at the Sea Hunters. The goddess has been succeeding where the People have been failing so perhaps it is time to seek guidance from Arthryn.
 
[X] Turn to the goddess. The People have failed to save those taken and while the Sea Hunter attacks are fended off, the People are still dying and are no closer to striking back at the Sea Hunters. The goddess has been succeeding where the People have been failing so perhaps it is time to seek guidance from Arthryn.
 
[X] Turn to the goddess. The People have failed to save those taken and while the Sea Hunter attacks are fended off, the People are still dying and are no closer to striking back at the Sea Hunters. The goddess has been succeeding where the People have been failing so perhaps it is time to seek guidance from Arthryn.
 
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