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Chronicles of Nations - Civ Quest

Should the world be a Low Fantasy setting?

  • Yes

    Votes: 63 70.0%

  • No

    Votes: 27 30.0%
  • Total voters
    90
  • Poll closed .
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[X] Service to Arthryn. In gratitude to the goddess for her blessing, Ymarn devotes herself to serving Arthryn faithful.

As I was worried about, there seems to be some who think there is a divide between People and not-yet People depending on if they have the blessing or not. Those who think that are currently outnumbered, but I worry this might not always be the case.

On those who think that mechanics are all, and that narrative changes are essentially worthless, remember that we are playing a civ quest and guiding a civ. The important part of the quest is the narrative, and the numbers are just a way to help facilitate and interpret said narrative.
 
[X] Leading the People. Having been blessed by Arthryn, Ymarn leverages her new prestige and her own talents to gain leadership of the People.
[X] Service to Arthryn. In gratitude to the goddess for her blessing, Ymarn devotes herself to serving Arthryn faithfully.
 
[X] Leading the People. Having been blessed by Arthryn, Ymarn leverages her new prestige and her own talents to gain leadership of the People.
[X] Service to Arthryn. In gratitude to the goddess for her blessing, Ymarn devotes herself to serving Arthryn faithfully.
 
[X] Studying the world. Ymarn chooses to spend her time study the nature of the world and how it works in the hopes of finding new insights to help the People.

Mystic Hero studying the world, sounds like she will discover magic.
This will let us face the Foresters with magic of our own.

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This quest has gods, magic and technology. We have the better goddess compared to the tribes we know about, but completely lack magic (one tribe has a small amount of magic) and we are behind on some technologies.
I would prefer to have the best gods and goddesses, the most developed magic and the most advanced technology when compared to other peoples. This is a long term goal, but this vote should help.
 
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Chrestomanci said:
[X] Studying the world. Ymarn chooses to spend her time study the nature of the world and how it works in the hopes of finding new insights to help the People.

Mystic Hero studying the world, sounds like she will discover magic.
This will let us face the Foresters with magic of our own.
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I don't think so, if we wish magic we should go to devoting herself to Arthryn as she pretty much can give us magic.
 
Star said:
I don't think so, if we wish magic we should go to devoting herself to Arthryn as she pretty much can give us magic.
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No but hopefully we can get a tech or something cause we really could use it.
Adhoc vote count started by Raptor580 on Jan 12, 2019 at 12:08 PM, finished with 43 posts and 18 votes.
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Adhoc vote count started by Raptor580 on Jan 12, 2019 at 12:13 PM, finished with 45 posts and 19 votes.
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Raichu1972 said:
[X] Service to Arthryn. In gratitude to the goddess for her blessing, Ymarn devotes herself to serving Arthryn faithful.

As I was worried about, there seems to be some who think there is a divide between People and not-yet People depending on if they have the blessing or not. Those who think that are currently outnumbered, but I worry this might not always be the case.

On those who think that mechanics are all, and that narrative changes are essentially worthless, remember that we are playing a civ quest and guiding a civ. The important part of the quest is the narrative, and the numbers are just a way to help facilitate and interpret said narrative.
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It also points out that Ymarn is something of an oddity being of two lowlanders which shows that there is some nice integration going on. Also I would point out that the one asking those questions was described as a slow witted child so I would take what he said with a whole handful of salt.
 
[X] Studying the world. Ymarn chooses to spend her time study the nature of the world and how it works in the hopes of finding new insights to help the People.
[X] Leading the People. Having been blessed by Arthryn, Ymarn leverages her new prestige and her own talents to gain leadership of the People.

Admin Heroes freaking CARRY in Civ Quests and tech is always valuable, esp considering that we struggle with innovation rolls. Lets take the edge in this cold war of ours.
 
UlseDovThur said:
Service may give such bonuses but having her lead is still better. If she leads the People until the end of her life and then the council forms afterword that gives the people a second example of an extraordinary person rising to leadership and then going back to the council format. This can be the start of a pattern in which our Heroes can provide maximum benefit but without instituting a monarchy. A tradition of allowing those of extraordinary ability an extraordinary position.
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Hmm, that wouldn't be that bad, but I can easily see such a system ending up as being nominally equal while the descendants of our Heroes basically become a de facto upper-class.
UlseDovThur said:
The People have already learned the value of judging people on their ability and actions rather than their blood or where they come from so the concept of a Dynasty is already something they aren't ok with on a fundimental level. However they are also aware that there are those that are far more capable than most (Heroes) and have already accepted that such people deserve a position that reflects that in the form of Arthryn and her deific status.
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I don't think Born Equal is as strong in our society as you seem to think it is. It can be eroded over time, little by little.
Chrestomanci said:
Arthryn grants blessings, not magic. Maybe this time will be different, but I doubt it.
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Indeed, magic is what is used by the Forest Folk and is therefore HERESY! Only use the blessings of Arthryn, not dark magics.
 
Random Member said:
this could easily lead to *spits on the ground* monarchism! Rule by Council, NOT by a single person!
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Does this really matter if the monarchy is meritocratic? Seems to me to only be a problem if you end up with a hereditary monarchy.
Absolute monarchism would also be bad, but that doesn't seem to be the case either. She's not abolishing the influence of the council of elders.
 
Random Member said:
Hmm, that wouldn't be that bad, but I can easily see such a system ending up as being nominally equal while the descendants of our Heroes basically become a de facto upper-class.

I don't think Born Equal is as strong in our society as you seem to think it is. It can be eroded over time, little by little.

Indeed, magic is what is used by the Forest Folk and is therefore HERESY! Only use the blessings of Arthryn, not dark magics.
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Eh, maybe for a bit but Heroes only pop up rarely so any "upper class" that would form would be more like "Oh! Your the Hero's child/grandchild! That's really cool!". It would probably last a few generations but would fade as we've seen with Arthryns direct descendant's, or rather what we haven't as they haven't been mentioned recently.

I think you underestimate how ingrained Born Equal is. It's a core tenet of the religion so anyone that worships Arthryn (everyone) also believes in Born Equal. While it can be worn down by time so can anything else. We just need to stay on top of it.

Agreed! Arthryn Damned Heretics.
Adhoc vote count started by UlseDovThur on Jan 12, 2019 at 11:57 AM, finished with 37 posts and 17 votes.
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Adhoc vote count started by UlseDovThur on Jan 12, 2019 at 12:04 PM, finished with 40 posts and 18 votes.
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Chrestomanci said:
Mystic Hero studying the world, sounds like she will discover magic.
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There's little to suggest that this is the case; I doubt we'll get straight-up spellcasting like this. Seems like more the sort of thing granted by other options in the vote that led to us being blessed by Arthryn.
Will probably be more like PoC, where mystic heroes were associated with normal technological progress.
Star said:
I would rather keep our hero in field where she is the strongest, admin and mistic.
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Mystic heroes were associated with tech progress in PoC, I think it'll be similar here.
At least I think they were. It's been a while since I read it.
 
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pttpttrwttr said:
Does this really matter if the monarchy is meritocratic? Seems to me to only be a problem if you end up with a hereditary monarchy.
Absolute monarchism would also be bad, but that doesn't seem to be the case either. She's not abolishing the influence of the council of elders.
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*sigh*

Meritocracy really isn't the panacea some people seem to think it is. There are problems with (elective) monarchy that don't go away simply by making the system "meritocratic".

Assuming you can even create an actual meritocracy of course.

Putting that aside, I also just don't want us to go the Elective Monarchy route again.
 
Random Member said:
Assuming you can even create an actual meritocracy of course.
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The monarchy being established by someone rising to a leadership position because of their heroic skill seems like it's the sort of thing that would spur that on.
Random Member said:
Meritocracy really isn't the panacea some people seem to think it is. There are problems with (elective) monarchy that don't go away simply by making the system "meritocratic".
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Could you elaborate on them?
 
Random Member said:
*sigh*

Meritocracy really isn't the panacea some people seem to think it is. There are problems with (elective) monarchy that don't go away simply by making the system "meritocratic".

Assuming you can even create an actual meritocracy of course.

Putting that aside, I also just don't want us to go the Elective Monarchy route again.
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Well this is special case but we shouldn't make it a norm of not allowing our hero's into position of power.
That way we will just handicap ourselves and when one day some crisis happens we may have a hero take over leadership without us and then what?
Oshha said that in some cases they will take over.
 
Oshha said:
The problem with meritocracy is that there is no universal definition of 'merit'. If the merit in question is something you are born with rather than earned (such as your ancestry or a body feature), you can get an elitist and stratified society.
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How deeply rooted is born equal in our society?
We have born equal, so I don't think this is something we need to worry about if we can keep that value.
Chrestomanci said:
This will let us face the Foresters with magic of our own.
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The clash we had with them showed that you don't need magic to fight against magic-users.
Personally I'd rather do things we know will likely help our base, since we don't even know if it's possible the discovery will be magic.
 
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[x] Studying the world. Ymarn chooses to spend her time study the nature of the world and how it works in the hopes of finding new insights to help the People.
 
Oshha said:
The problem with meritocracy is that there is no universal definition of 'merit'. If the merit in question is something you are born with rather than earned (such as your ancestry or a body feature), you can get an elitist and stratified society.
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In real life maybe. Thankfully this is a fantasy setting inwhich the gods can actually do something. We may get a thing from Arthryn that helps with this in the future based on her idea of merit.
Adhoc vote count started by UlseDovThur on Jan 12, 2019 at 12:22 PM, finished with 48 posts and 20 votes.
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