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Tohsaka as an Uchiha Quest (Naruto/FSN)

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[X] Encourage her
[X] Go on the mission
-[X] Kakashi
[X] Itachi
[X] Korin
[X] Teyaki

Kakashi over Fugaku. Tsunade is basically The Last Senju and I expect lots of friction caused by Fugaku. On the otherhand, Kakashi is a figure of note for our Clan so politically we can use this as an opportunity to sound him out as Clan Head. OOCly, Kakashi can have an opportunity to connect to Naruto and we can build rep with a high tier Jonin.
Adhoc vote count started by Walliseatscheese on Jan 11, 2019 at 8:36 PM, finished with 55 posts and 17 votes.
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Walliseatscheese said:
Kakashi over Fugaku. Tsunade is basically The Last Senju and I expect lots of friction caused by Fugaku. On the otherhand, Kakashi is a figure of note for our Clan so politically we can use this as an opportunity to sound him out as Clan Head. OOCly, Kakashi can have an opportunity to connect to Naruto and we can build rep with a high tier Jonin.
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Except Kakashi is shit in literally every single thing that's not combat.
 
DarkKing98 said:
Except Kakashi is shit in literally every single thing that's not combat.
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I actually agree to a point about bringing him with us, though not so much for mission-related reasons. As said, he is a person of note to our clan, and this is a good opportunity to sound him out. In fact, it may be the only chance we get seeing as he is a high profile Jōnin that prefers to bury himself in work. The other possibility is approaching him to express gratitude for saving our and Sasuke's life from Danzō, and that offers only a much more limited opportunity for interaction.
 
DarkKing98 said:
Except Kakashi is shit in literally every single thing that's not combat.
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That's part of the point actually.

Jiriaya fails in canon so he's unlikely to manage it here, so it'll be up to Rin "S+++ Diplomacy" and Naruto "I Will Protect My Family" to convince Tsunade to take up the Hat or at least return to Konoha. Fugaku has a hellova lot of pride that will likely interefere in the process, and no one else has a very strong lead I believe.

With diplomacy handled as well as it's going to be, that leaves ensuring that the Clan Head and the Jinchuriki are protected. Kakashi has high combat skills, is politically relevant, and has personal experience with having people he cares about dying right in front of him. If anyone is going to be able to be mission relevant in protection duty as well as provide Rin with a perspective on what she just had a nightmare about, it's going to be the Copy Cat Ninja.
 
Walliseatscheese said:
That's part of the point actually.

Jiriaya fails in canon so he's unlikely to manage it here, so it'll be up to Rin "S+++ Diplomacy" and Naruto "I Will Protect My Family" to convince Tsunade to take up the Hat or at least return to Konoha. Fugaku has a hellova lot of pride that will likely interefere in the process, and no one else has a very strong lead I believe.

With diplomacy handled as well as it's going to be, that leaves ensuring that the Clan Head and the Jinchuriki are protected. Kakashi has high combat skills, is politically relevant, and has personal experience with having people he cares about dying right in front of him. If anyone is going to be able to be mission relevant in protection duty as well as provide Rin with a perspective on what she just had a nightmare about, it's going to be the Copy Cat Ninja.
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Tsunade actually has less of a solid reasoning to stand on due to the Third Hokage not being dead. And she's also not being tempted by Orochimaru either. So Jiraiya's chances probably actually increase with Rin and Naruto around.

Again, Kakashi sucks at literally everything that isn't combat. That includes handling mental trauma. The man would proabably do more damage to our psyche than help if we approach him about it.
 
[X]"Do you have a little brother/sister? Imagine I'm an enemy nin trying to kill/abduct them, and you are the only thing between me and them"
[X]Go on the mission
-[X] Kakashi
[X] Itachi
[X] Korin
[X] Teyaki
 
Edit: the brother or sister is most likely to have her fight the best if she takes it to heart but it could also damage a relationship that is barely holding itself together.

I just don't want to bring Fugaku, I mean when someone is leaves so that your administration isn't tainted by their actions. You don't want your first act as the new administration to be grabbing him as your advisor for a political problem. I would grab the ghost if I thought other people could see her, there isn't much point in having an advisor that you can't talk to.

[X] Encourage her
[X] Go on the mission
-[X] Kakashi
[X] Itachi
[X] Korin
[X] Teyaki​
 
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[X]Go on the mission
-[X] Fugaku

We should ask Fugaku if he would be interested in coming with us. There are a dozen reasons to do this, so I'll list a few of them out

- It implies the Uchiha's backing and support for Tsunade as the new Hokage, among both the old guard and the new guard within the Uchiha compound
- It is an olive branch for the Uchihas' complaints of not being given important missions outside the village
- It just generally shows that the Uchiha are sincere about their loyalty to the Leaf
- It implies that Naruto has the backing/support of the Uchiha
- It implies that the Uchiha isn't really being headed by an 8 year old girl, that the surviving leadership is more competent then an 8 year old

Now there are also legitimate reasons why Fugaku might have to refuse, or Jiraya might have to refuse Fugaku, but it's a move that just generally solidifies the direction the clan is going in.

I am assuming we trust everyone there not to murder each other.

I'm also up for not bringing anyone or letting Jiraya choose.
 
DarkKing98 said:
Tsunade actually has less of a solid reasoning to stand on due to the Third Hokage not being dead. And she's also not being tempted by Orochimaru either. So Jiraiya's chances probably actually increase with Rin and Naruto around.

Again, Kakashi sucks at literally everything that isn't combat. That includes handling mental trauma. The man would proabably do more damage to our psyche than help if we approach him about it.
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The Third being alive does change things, but in my opinion not enough to have Tsunade come back on Jiraiya's asking alone, but we basically agree on this point.

Unless there's WoG somewhere in here stating otherwise, I would like to believe that the Jonin isn't a complete incompetent in everything other than Combat. The point of being Jonin is being Jonin tier in a wide variety of skills, otherwise you're a Tk Jonin. If Kakashi isn't able to help us out, he would hopefully politely deflect rather than dive deep into an area he can't help with.
 
Walliseatscheese said:
Unless there's WoG somewhere in here stating otherwise, I would like to believe that the Jonin isn't a complete incompetent in everything other than Combat. The point of being Jonin is being Jonin tier in a wide variety of skills, otherwise you're a Tk Jonin. If Kakashi isn't able to help us out, he would hopefully politely deflect rather than dive deep into an area he can't help with.
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My counter argument on this is that Kakashi was promoted during war time. Could be they had less strict standards then when it came to what's needed for promotion. Kakashi is a good leader and great at combat but in my opinion that's pretty much it.
 
DarkKing98 said:
My counter argument on this is that Kakashi was promoted during war time. Could be they had less strict standards then when it came to what's needed for promotion. Kakashi is a good leader and great at combat but in my opinion that's pretty much it.
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And he's had over a decade since then to broaden his skill set. At the very least he should know when to keep his mouth shut if it's going to make things worse.
 
DarkKing98 said:
Fair enough. He might.

Granted this is also the same man to teach Sasuke Chidori. So it can go either way.
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Taught him a single target penetrating assassination technique to fight and hopefully survive a Jinchuriki. That things went sour afterwards doesn't change the initial context of "You're either going to die or becone a Legend. Good luck."
 
Neither Fugaku nor Kakashi will noticeably help with Tsunade, and both are powerful. Honestly, the main difference is political. How will taking each of them look to the clan?

Kakashi is seen with distaste due to the implanted Sharingan, Fugaku is distrusted for the massacre his attempted rebellion led to. Relying on either could harm our standing.

Taking Fugaku has another facet - people will wonder whether we brought him for advice or so that he wasn't left with the clan. Depending on the spin, both can help or harm our reputation, while the latter discredits Fugaku further.

S++ diplomacy should allow us to put everything into a positive light, but we should be aware that presentation is key here.
 
A chunin knows when to throw his life away and when not to throw his life away. A tournament bout against a psychopath is not the time.

That said, they're ninja. They don't give up simply because the odds seem impossible. Of course Kakashi taught Sasuke the chidori rather then have him give up; that is his job.
 
kitsune9 said:
Tell that to both Lee and Dozu, it's easy to say that something doesn't allow death it's a lot harder to reinforce it. Also a forfeit would have lead to a huge loss in commissions for the village.
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He taught Sasuke an assassination technique. For something that's not allowing killing. He could have chosen dozens of other techniques than Chidori.
 
Ferian said:
[X] Encourage her
[X] Go on the mission
[X] Itachi
[X] Korin
[X] Teyaki


So, this has confused me a bit. Can you elaborate a bit on what a different multiverse entails here? I am assuming a separate Time Tree but if it is just that, the sheer degree of deviation in geography and history from the world of Rin's previous life would suffice to confirm this. If it ought to be more than that, additional information would be much appreciated.

Also, the stated difference in rules is... not really something Rin can confirm from available information? Without further details on how Rin comes to the conclusion that this is a different multiverse from the description of the Pure World, this passage is a bit of a hard sell for me. I see multiple possibilities/viable explanations for the presence of an afterlife that do not actually contradict any ruleset Rin would be familiar with. Nasuverse Earth has afterlives, some of them still extant at least to a degree in the modern world. The Japanese underworld is, in fact, a prominent example. (The location of F/GO's current event, the Enma-tei, is a resting place for souls before their departure to the underworld; it is explicitly noted as a place that can still be found in the modern world, though it is verging on being removed to the Reverse Side).

Furthermore, it is known to be possible to postpone a soul's return to the Root via methods that fall short of True Magic. Certainly, establishing such a mechanism on a world-wide scale would be nigh impossible in the modern word due to unmanageable power requirements but in theory, it might be achievable with a sufficient energy source. An enactment of the Third would be fully capable of creating a Naruto-style Pure World, with the extant Impure World acting as a deterrent from timeline culling. Heck, there is also the possibility that this world simply experiences vestiges of the Age of Gods to a greater degree, or remains in its Age of Gods, with humans not having usurped the Seat of Primates.
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Unfortunately, I haven't played most Fate spin-offs (nor do I have a high opinion of F/GO and such), so I'm going with the F/SN canon. The only afterlife we've heard of there is Avalon. (And the Throne of Heroes, if we count it as one.)

As for the multiverse thing, I've defined it as somewhere it's not possible to reach even using the Second Magic unless something extreme occurs. (It's the Operation of Parallel Worlds, not completely different worlds.)
Adhoc vote count started by AoMythology on Jan 11, 2019 at 4:16 PM, finished with 48 posts and 14 votes.
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[X] Encourage her
[X]Go on the mission
-[X] Kakashi

[X] Korin
[X] Teyaki
[X] Itachi

A civilian diplomat, a frustrated and grieving hothead and a calculating (but emotionally hopeless) ninja make for a good diplomatic team to not get fucked with.

Leave Fugaku to bond with his second son now that he has little responsibility and his wife and Sasuke's mother is dead.

Accepting the mission is just good sense because Tsunade is a much better 'institutional' hokage than both Jiraya and Kakashi, and because it would be a political coup to do this just before being named clan head (poor Naruto doing the work while Rin gets the (widespread) glory, but that's them breaks). It will also be good training for Naruto (we might even teach him shadow clone since it's obvious his amount of chakra can handle it).

Getting rid of Root and bring Tsunade earlier than canon might make Konoha war preparedness ironically higher, because Tsunade will push for a medic-nin per team and a quality hospital, and the surviving Root being earlier to teams might toughen up the graduates by having many chunnin level 'rivals' who could care less about being unintentionally condescending, basically a Sasuke pattern 0.9 for many teams. If they don't end up in Anbu ofc.
 
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