A true hero... in training (Pokemon Gym Leader's apprentice quest)

I dunno why but this quest is making me wonder what a Team Rocket quest in the role of a lowly grunt would be like.

In any case~

[X] «Eye of the Champion» What was that? Something in the corner of your eye. There is someone stalking you.
 
[X] «Eye of the Champion» What was that? Something in the corner of your eye. There is someone stalking you.

Given Luxicato's clarification of just how -rare- the trait Huge Potential is, I'm totally fine with catching the boss Shinx and adding it to our team. Hopefully the mystery box still leaves that option open.

(Given how we're probably gonna end up catching the Shinx, I might go ahead and do another analysis post thing for abilities and moves.)
 
Last edited:
[X] «Eye of the Champion» What was that? Something in the corner of your eye. There is someone stalking you.
 
[X] «Eye of the Champion» What was that? Something in the corner of your eye. There is someone stalking you.
 
*blinks* Wow. This is one of the most lopsided votes ever.
Adhoc vote count started by TempestK on Dec 10, 2018 at 4:13 PM, finished with 27 posts and 23 votes.
 
I was expecting 10-12 votes before deciding to write again. I guess that's enough.
Aww... no need to add a 25th vote for it, then.

Given Luxicato's clarification of just how -rare- the trait Huge Potential is, I'm totally fine with catching the boss Shinx and adding it to our team.
That Shinx doesn't have huge potential. He's at a decent rank/level, but his traits are Rivalry, Teamwork, and Leader. None of them are really exceptional:
  • Rivalry is situational and easily countered by a prepared opponent.
  • In a team battle with Maelstrom, Lightningrod would be far more valuable than Teamwork.
  • Leader may be useful later, but planning for situations where we'd send half our team elsewhere is a bit premature when we're debating who to catch as our second Pokémon.
Personally, I'm against adding him to Haru's team. His "Initial Relationship" would probably be abysmal as well, seeing as he understandably doesn't trust humans.
 
Luxray's natural abilities:
Rivalry: Boosts attacks by 1/4 when attacking foes of the same gender, lowers attacks by 1/4 when battling against foes of the opposite gender.
-I'd like to ask Luxicato if it was possible to take out the lowers attack part, and just have the Pokemon deal more damage towards the same gender, because there isn't really an in-fluff reason why the attack drop takes place.

Intimidate: Lowers the attack of the opposing Pokemon (Luxicato has retooled this to work all the time during battle, not just on Switch in, so it's better than normal.

Guts(Hidden Ability): Boosts attacks by 1/2 when suffering from a status condition.

Possible abilities that Cynthia could help us learn:

Analytic: Boosts attack by 30% when going last. This might be retooled into "can boost attack after taking time to observe the opponent" so that it better fits into the anime style of battles.
Reasoning: Patrat and Watchog can get it for their hidden ability because of their good eyesight (I think Watchog can see in the dark?), so Luxray might be able to get it as well.

Competitive: raises sp.atk sharply when any stat is lowered.
Reasoning: i feel like it could be an offshoot of the ability Rivalry, as both abilities have that spirit of "I want to be better than the other person"

Defiant: Raises attack sharply when any stat is lowered.
Reasoning: Pretty much same as competitive.

Electric Surge: Causes Electric Terrain to form when the user enters battle.
Reasoning: Although this ability is exclusive to Tapu Koko, I feel like if we trained our Luxray up enough we could get it. In my mind, Electric Surge is a Pokemon having such a strong connection to the electric type that they generate their own electrically field wherever they go, and while Tapu Koko is able to do this naturally because it's just that strong, other electric types could eventually be capable of the same once they hit EX rank. But yeah, if Luxicato okays this I expect I'd come with the condition that Luxray would need to hit EX rank first, before we could even begin trying to gain it.

Flare Boost: Raises Sp.Atk by 50% when burned.
Reasoning: It's pretty much a specialized version of guts that only occurs when burned.

Galvanize: All normal moves become electric moves and are boosted by 20%, in addition to STAB
Reasoning: I dunno, just something about Luxray understanding electric type energy enough to be able to substitute it in for normal energy in normal moves?

Fluffy: Halves damage from physical moves, doubles damage from fire moves.
Reasoning: Luxray has a floofy coat of fur. More seriously, I'd probably involve dedicated brushing time and special fur care products, but it's doable.

Fur Coat: Halves damage from Physical moves.
Reasoning: Same as Fluffy

Illuminate: Attracts wild Pokemon via lighting up a Pokemon's body. I imagine Luxicato would probably retool this into being able to use Flash indefinetly without actually needing the move.
Reasoning: From what I remember, Shinx are capable of lighting up the fur on their bodies.

Keen Eye: Prevents accuracy drops. I imagine Luxicato might also add something in there about being able to see farther away/minute details/etc. better than average,
Reasoning: Luxray have x-ray vision, and I'm not sure but I think I remember a Luxray specifically use that x-ray vision to hone in on a thief in an anime episode?

Lightningrod: Absorbs electric attacks to boost sp.atk
Reasoning: I imagine all veteran electric types could get this with some work, broadly speaking.

Magnet Pull: Attracts steel types, prevents them from switching out.
Reasoning: I imagine most electric types could get this, broadly speaking.
Additional note: This could serve as a prerequisite for gaining Electric Surge, because the Pokemon would be going from having a magnetic field capable of affecting steel types to a magnetic field capable of affecting the field in geneneral.

Mold Breaker: Ignores opponents ability when attacking.
Reasoning: It "feels" kinda similar to Guts and Rivalry, it has that similar hotbloodedness to go "Screw your ability, I'm attacking you anyway"

Motor Drive: Absorbs electric moves to raise speed.
Reasoning: I think I remember seeing something about Luxio using electric charges to boost it's leg muscles, I forget if it was in the DPPT manga or Pokedex though.

Pressure: Causes opponent to get tired more easily
Reasoning: Works off intimidate, same as Maelstrom

Scrappy: Can hit ghosts with normal and fighting moves. I imagine Luxicato would just broaden this a bit to "Can hit ghosts while they're intangible"
Reasoning: If Luxray's x-ray vision lets it see ghosts, then this ability could work off that, allowing Luxray to touch ghosts.

Static: Has a 30% chance to paralyze foe on contact, hopefully Luxicato will make it so who initiates the contact doesn't matter.
Reasoning: Luxray has staticy fur.

Strong Jaw: Boosts all biting moves by 30%
Reasoning: This Shinx specifically has been using a lot of biting moves, and was bred to use all three elemental fangs. I could see it having the potential to earn Strong Jaw.

Tough Claws: Increases the power of moves that make contact by 30%
Reasoning: Luxray's a big kitty with big claws.

Volt Absorb: Absorbs electric attacks to restore HP
Reasoning: I imagine most fully grown electric types could probably work towards this.

Thoughts on how good abilities are/how we might use them/just random other stuff about them:
  • Rivalry: If Luxicato rules that only the attack boost part applies, then it becomes pretty good. If not, then it's terrible.
  • Intimidate: Lowers the opponents attack, it's pretty good.
  • Guts: Boosts attacks when suffering from a status condition. Really good, but only if suffering from a status condition. Granted, Luxicato could broaden it a bit and have exhaustion/low HP count as a status condition, if he does this ability jumps up to REALLY GOOD.
  • Analytic: Not really worth it looking at it from both the rules as written and my suggested change. Luxray is a pretty fast Pokemon, so it generally doesn't get outsped, and I don't want to have to waste a round "analyzing" an opponent for the damage boost.
  • Competitive & Defiant: Both require either us or our opponent to run something that lowers Luxray's stats. Kinda situational, but if it works we're golden.
  • Electric Surge: Electric Terrain boosts all electric type moves by 50% and prevents sleep from occuring. Additionally, I could see Luxicato ruling that spending a turn in Electric Terrain procs Volt Absorb/Motor Drive/Lightningrod, the same as Aqua Jet does for Swift Swim. All in all, if we can't get this ability, I think picking up the move Electric Terrain for Luxray wouldn't go amiss.
  • Flare Boost: You're better off taking guts.
  • Galvanize: Unless we want an electric-typed hyper-beam for Maximum damage shenanigans, we don't really want this.
  • Fluffy: While a 50% reduction on physical attacks is nice, an additional fire weakness is not. Only take if we also plan to take Fur Coat. Additionally, imagine that Fur Coat and Fluffy boost performance in a contest, because they're abilities that better the Pokemon's outward appearance, similar to Marvel and Multiscale. I imagine that Fluffy and Fur Coat working together would result in a 75% physical damage reduction, if that's allowed.
  • Fur Coat: A 50% reduction to all physical damage without an added cost? Niiiiiiiice.
  • Illuminate: Pretty much totally outclassed by the move flash and the fact we can carry flashlights with us. Pass.
  • Keen Eye: Take it if we want to expand on Luxray's whole vision thing.
  • Lightningrod, Motor Drive, & Volt Absorb: We could probably proc these by using electric type moves on ourselves, which could lead to shenanigans. Additionally, Lightningrod would allow Luxray to take electric moves for Maelstrom in a double battle, so that's nice. Not sure how often we'll use it, given that all League matches are single battles.
  • Magnet Pull: Only take if it's a requirement for Electric Surge, i dunno, it might let us pull funky stuff on opposing steel types.
  • Mold Breaker: Let's us hit Shedinja easy and blast through Sturdy mon, but I don't know if this would actually come up that often.
  • Pressure: It feels like this ability would work better for an endurance type mon like Maelstrom, who's probably gonna be slugging it out for minutes at a time, instead of a Luxray who would want to beat the opponent asap. Still, tiiring out the opponent quicker is nice, I'll admit.
  • Scrappy: Only really worth it if we want to turn Luxray into a dedicated anti-ghost Pokemon. Plus, it can get crunch, which laughs all over ghost types -anyway-.
  • Static: A chance to paralyze on contact is great, especially because Luxray primarily uses physical moves. Gotta give this one some serious consideration.
  • Strong Jaw: Boosts the elemental fangs and crunch, all of which we'll want to run. Really good.
  • Tough Claws: Seeing as we're going more by rules as intended and how things should actually work instead of rules as written, this would probably only apply to attacks made with Luxray's claws. Hard pass.


And here's some moves we might want to think about:
  • All three elemental fangs (Already learned): Decent power, great extra effects, great type coverage.
  • Crunch: Strong dark move to lower opponents defenses and destroy psychic and ghost types.
  • Swift/Shockwave: Undodgable moves to rip apart any dodge tanks we come up against.
  • Discharge: Good power, high paralysis chance.
  • Nuzzle: Low power but guaranteed paralysis, good for catching Pokemon or stopping criminals.
  • Signal Beam: Ranged way to hit grass types, who otherwise resist electric attacks.
  • Thunderbolt: High power, pretty much -the- signature electric move if you've seen the anime.
  • Volt Tackle: Extraordinary high damage, one of the most powerful electric moves, Ash's Pikachu does work with it in Sinnoh.
  • Ice Beam: Applying Shinx's knowledge of Ice Fang into a ranged attack, hits ground types hard.
  • Electric Terrain: If we don't get Electric Surge, boosts all electric type moves used while in play.
  • Thunder: High damage, high chance to paralyze, works well with a drizzle Maelstrom.

Ultimately, if I had to choose some moves out of that list, I'd be the elemental fangs, crunch, volt tackle, nuzzle, and thunderbolt.

Whew boy, that went on for a while.
 
Aww... no need to add a 25th vote for it, then.


That Shinx doesn't have huge potential. He's at a decent rank/level, but his traits are Rivalry, Teamwork, and Leader. None of them are really exceptional:
  • Rivalry is situational and easily countered by a prepared opponent.
  • In a team battle with Maelstrom, Lightningrod would be far more valuable than Teamwork.
  • Leader may be useful later, but planning for situations where we'd send half our team elsewhere is a bit premature when we're debating who to catch as our second Pokémon.
Personally, I'm against adding him to Haru's team. His "Initial Relationship" would probably be abysmal as well, seeing as he understandably doesn't trust humans.


Yeah, I was saying that if we couldn't even make a full Huge Potential team then I was fine with catching the Shinx. And yeah, the initial relationship might be low, but that can be worked through. But ultimately, after I did my whole mega-post p there detailing what a Luxray might get, ability and move wise, I think it'd be a good mon to add to our team. (Especially if it's able to learn Volt Tackle, because holy shit that'd do a bunch of damage)

(Plus I've used one on every playthrough of Sinnoh I've done, so I have a bit of a soft spot for the guy. Plus, I'm a cat person irl, sooooo...)
 
[X] «Eye of the Champion» What was that? Something in the corner of your eye. There is someone stalking you.

Eye if the Tige ehem Champion! Lets see this thing in action
 
That Shinx doesn't have huge potential. He's at a decent rank/level, but his traits are Rivalry, Teamwork, and Leader. None of them are really exceptional:
The point they were making was that we can't just have all Huge Potential mon on our team, so catching the Shinx to shore us up in a good idea.
Personally, I'm against adding him to Haru's team. His "Initial Relationship" would probably be abysmal as well, seeing as he understandably doesn't trust humans.
Except that we've fed, calmed it and are discussing how best to get it to someplace of relative safety.
Fluffy: Halves damage from physical moves, doubles damage from fire moves.
Reasoning: Luxray has a floofy coat of fur. More seriously, I'd probably involve dedicated brushing time and special fur care products, but it's doable.

Fur Coat: Halves damage from Physical moves.
Reasoning: Same as Fluffy
Unfortunately, that's mainly only on the head and hindquarters, they have a very close coat of fur on their torsos.
Motor Drive: Absorbs electric moves to raise speed.
Reasoning: I think I remember seeing something about Luxio using electric charges to boost it's leg muscles, I forget if it was in the DPPT manga or Pokedex though.
That's Electrike and Manectrik unfortunately. Luxio run current through their claws, and their rest their legs on one another to communicate with electrical impulses.
Strong Jaw: Boosts all biting moves by 30%
Reasoning: This Shinx specifically has been using a lot of biting moves, and was bred to use all three elemental fangs. I could see it having the potential to earn Strong Jaw.
This I like.
Ultimately, if I had to choose some moves out of that list, I'd be the elemental fangs, crunch, volt tackle, nuzzle, and thunderbolt.
You forgot some of the tutor moves, like Super Power or Throat Chop.
 
because there isn't really an in-fluff reason why the attack drop takes place.
Giving his all against rivals implies not giving his all against others (i.e. females), so I think it's reasonable.

Possible abilities that Cynthia could help us learn
I just think that "abilities that Cynthia could help us learn" isn't really an argument for Shinx since most of your list would apply to any furred electric type.
Don't get me wrong, Luxray isn't a bad choice, but it would take a lot of training* to change those abilities, so I'd rather wait for another encounter.

*under Cynthia who we're unlikely to meet again until we finish training under Maylene, which will take weeks

Except that we've fed, calmed it and are discussing how best to get it to someplace of relative safety.
That probably doesn't make up for being discarded and nearly starving. Mistrust doesn't just vanish because someone is nice. This Shinx certainly doesn't seem the type to latch onto the first person to care about him. The other two, maybe, but not the leader with his "one step closer and I shock you, human" attitude.
 
Last edited:
[X] «Eye of the Champion» What was that? Something in the corner of your eye. There is someone stalking you.

I just got started reading this thread today and just caught up. I'm all for helping the Shinx find a home with the locals Pokemon, if possible, but I don't want to ignore the stalker. That'd seem a bit risky/foolish. Plus, it could turn out to a Luxray or such, which could resolve the problem.
 
Unfortunately, that's mainly only on the head and hindquarters, they have a very close coat of fur on their torsos.

I mean, if Alolan Persian can get Fur Coat, I don't see why a Luxray can't. But yeah, that could be a limiting factor.

You forgot some of the tutor moves, like Super Power or Throat Chop.

That's mainly because the moves thing is nowhere near as exhaustive as the ability listing, because while there are only a small subset of abilities that a Pokemon can have, even with Cynthia's help, any Pokemon can potentially get any move.

Like, for the abilities I can just go down the list of them that serebii has, while I don't really want to look at all 700~800 moves for each Pokemon. If you've got a favorite move or strat that I didn't mention, please go for it, it's just me being lazy.
 
[X] «Eye of the Champion» What was that? Something in the corner of your eye. There is someone stalking you.
 
Giving his all against rivals implies not giving his all against others (i.e. females), so I think it's reasonable.
I mean, I guess, I just figured that "not giving his all" would mean not using the damage boost from Rivalry. Like, have the 1.25 damage be Luxray "giving it his all" while the normal 1.0 damage would just be Luxray not giving it his all.

Alternatively, the whole "opposite gender" thing could be gotten rid of, and Luxray could just gain a damage boost based on how much it's invested in the battle, like it could get a .8 or .9 modifier if it's against a random trainer, and maybe like 1.1 or 1.2 against someone who we meet up with and fight multiple times, and maybe a 1.3 or 1.4 modifier against important trainers like Gym Leaders or E4 members, and then like a 1.5 modifier in the final battle v. Cynthia or against Luxray's Eternal Rival(tm).

Basically turning it from a damage boost against opposing genders into WEAPONIZED SHONEN or a discount Realis Phrase, boosting statistics based on strong feelings.

I just think that "abilities that Cynthia could help us learn" isn't really an argument for Shinx since most of your list would apply to any furred electric type.
Don't get me wrong, Luxray isn't a bad choice, but it would take a lot of training* to change those abilities, so I'd rather wait for another encounter.

Oh yeah, it wasn't supposed to be a list of arguments for Shinx or anyting, but more like a "If we're going to catch one, here's some abilities to keep in mind."
 
[X] «Eye of the Champion» What was that? Something in the corner of your eye. There is someone stalking you.
 
The tyrant of the forest
You wanted to say something to them. Find a solution to this problem. You are a future champion, solving something like this should be easy! You just need to…

Your train of thought stops suddenly. Rustling of leaves. A movement. Yellow orbs shining, reflecting the light of the fire. Eyes. A lot of them all around the clearing where your little camp is.

And a pair of eyes that you can feel. You can't see them but FEEL them. Looking at you, judging.

Lily and Violet look at you worried. The three Shinx stop eating. They all can feel the sudden tension in the air. Your flight or fight response activating, locking you in place for a moment before turning around and reaching for your pokeball. You are not even thinking right now if it will be enough. You are just moving by instinct.

As soon as you turn around to face the forest, a whole pack of Luxio steps from behind the bushes and trees, not leaving any point of escape. Lily was now in front of Violet, ready to fight until the end. Most of those Luxio were a bit weaker than her but there were at least a dozen of them. At least as far as you can see. Maybe more hidden in the darkness.

And then… the Luxray walked into the clearing.


Luxray ♂
Electric Type
Rank: B+
Ability 1: Intimidate
Ability 2: Guts
Trait 1: Prideful [His pride is really important to him. Stronger against strong enemies.]
Trait 2: Leader of the Pack [Capable of giving orders and strategize without a trainer present.]
Initial Relationship: -4/10


He walked in a way that made him look like a king. The king of this forest, accompanied by his pack. He looked at your group with disdain. A look that would make cower most enemies.

You know because you are starting to feel a bit less brave. Your hand moving away from your pokeball slowly.

You felt the buildup of psychic energy behind you. Lily was trying to get as much as possible, calculating how difficult it would be to teleport you and Violet away from that place. The risk and rewards of wasting more precious seconds building up energy. The possibility of leaving herself behind to do it faster.

But then… the Luxray started to talk and the psychic buildup grew weaker. Lily was still really tense but not trying to help your group escape. You and Violet looked at her. Psychic pokemon were perfect for translation, being able to read minds and communicating with humans.

"He says…" She looked at the three Shinx "He is here for them. To add them to his pack. They crossed into his territory but breeding season has been poor this year. They may live." She talked slowly, all of you feeling like the smallest wrong move would mean death. Luxray kept talking, getting closer to your group. The Luxio staying at the border between the clearing and the forest. "He also says that he will honor the treaty as long as we leave in the morning. Humans can't stay inside his domain for long."

You looked at her and then at the Luxray. His face serious and his eyes piercing you. Like daring you to go against his wishes. Almost wishing you did to show you who is really in charge in the forest.

You take a step back. You could swear that he smiles for an instant.

The Shinx are looking at the Luxray. The two weak ones in awe, the leader of the tiny pack just glares at him. His position as leader was being taken away from him with no option to refuse. He said something to the other two Shinx and they looked at him for a second, then at each other. They quickly moved away from him to join the Luxio around the camp, clearly preferring the stronger leader.

The last Shinx moved forward, now a few meters in front of the Luxray, ready. Luxray looked confused at first, his intimidating semblance dropping for a moment. At least until the Shinx said something.

"This Shinx is nuts…" Said Lily next to Violet. Her eyes wide open.

Then you realized… he was challenging him. A challenge for the right of leading the pack.

Shinx felt sure of himself. He was strong for his size. He already defeated some pokemon to protect his pack. He wasn't scared. He wasn't going to back down or join the bigger pack. He was going to challenge Luxray and be the next pack leader!

Or at least that's what he thought.

Your eyes opened wide. A bright flash of light from the sky. A sudden THUNDER.

Luxray had no mercy. He didn't even acknowledged the challenge. He just launched a really powerful attack that would kill a person. Not a word, just a look of boredom and a light.

You were unable to think for a moment. Thunder. You remember the boat, the storm, your sister crying. Your big sister, the one who always protects you was crying. Your parents missing. The cold. The THUNDER.

Violet's scream dragged you back to the real world.

Luxray was in the same position. Standing in front of the Shinx, looking down. He didn't move a muscle, just willed the clouds to strike the little pokemon, and they did.

Shinx was on the ground, surrounded by burnt grass and soil. A spiderweb pattern of blackened earth around him. He was at the dead center of the attack, but survived. Survived only because of his typing.

The Shinx wasn't done. He started to stand up. His body slow and weak. His conscious slipping for a second before returning, refusing to drop unconscious. He was in no state to fight and he knew it. He just stood up again out of stubbornness.

For Luxray that just felt like a way of mocking him. He was still impressed by the resilience of the Shinx, but not impressed enough to ignore that insult.

The Luxray got closer to the Shinx, his teeth shining with electricity. A bite from him will definitely kill him. You are sure. The Shinx was in no condition of being attacked again.

You looked around. Violet had a horrified expression on her face. Her hands covering her mouth after her scream. She didn't expect such brutality from the Luxray against what was basically still an infant.

Lily looked disgusted and alert. She wasn't strong enough to fight the Luxray and doing something now would mean the death of Violet. She wanted to help but… She wasn't strong enough to do anything.

You reached for your pokeball. You could… No. He wouldn't just be defeated. Maelstrom would die against that pokemon. You were running out of options and were closer each second to see something horrible.

You… had to do something.


[] Use Maelstrom to stop Luxray. It will be a really difficult battle.
[] Move quickly and get in the way to protect the Shinx. Maybe the Luxray will not kill you.
[] Don't move. You can't do anything without risking your or your companion's lives.
 
Last edited:
WELL WE'RE KIND OF FUCKED

[X] Move quickly and get in the way to protect the Shinx. Maybe the Luxray will not kill you.

If need be, something something, no formal acceptance of challenge.

Then ball and run or something?

Either way, I really don't wanna just let the guy die. And Maelstrom will almost 100% die.
 
[X] Move quickly and get in the way to protect the Shinx. Maybe the Luxray will not kill you.
-[X] "Please. I know he has given offense, but I ask you. Spare him. He was bred and abandoned by humans who didn't care. But I do. And I humbly ask that you allow him to live."
 
Last edited:
Back
Top