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[X] Pursuit of the Truth
[X] I'll Face Myself

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Adhoc vote count started by Corripere on May 15, 2018 at 12:22 PM, finished with 856 posts and 88 votes.
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Since one of my two choices aren't going to win, I should go with the one I care for the most.
[X] Strategic Complexion
[ ] Pursuit of the Truth

[X] Open the Way
[X] Amplification
 
If you guys go Amplification / Open the Way, you might be able to outscale the Fates' power level before the Heroine awakens. You should decide whether you want to deal with the Fates by winning the contest against the Heroine (and thus getting a wish) or if you'd rather just take out the Fates directly (which doesn't require nearly the level of esoteric offense that might be necessary to deal with the Heroine within the world). The former would require a fairly different build compared to the latter.
 
Rihaku said:
If you guys go Amplification / Open the Way, you might be able to outscale the Fates' power level before the Heroine awakens. You should decide whether you want to deal with the Fates by winning the contest against the Heroine (and thus getting a wish) or if you'd rather just take out the Fates directly (which doesn't require nearly the level of esoteric offense that might be necessary to deal with the Heroine within the world). The former would require a fairly different build compared to the latter.
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Hmm, one interesting question here to me is what the situation with the Fate incarnating as the Heroine is. It seems like it might be possible to go kill the other Fates and hence reduce what power she is able to bring to bear, then kill her as the Heroine and claim the (commensurately reduced) Wish from her.

Such shenanigans aside, I favor focusing on developing esoteric offense and seeking the Wish due to my oft stated concerns about Heavenly Tribulation.
 
A Wish seems like a possible way to get a high-powered Monster Vault out of the Binary Arts, among other things, which would be immensely helpful to our scaling up for Zang Kong. I like the idea of going for the Wish, assuming we get Necromancer relatively well learned (offence) as well as True Incarnation (defence) so we can feasibly deal with the Heroine.
 
It is interesting to note that if the realm of the Fates is sufficiently far away, or in a completely separate dimension, then we should be able to unshackle most, if not all of our power when we get there.
 
I wonder whether the BP reward for rampaging through Heaven would be more or less than just using the Wish to make them torture themselves for 10^15 years or whatever.
 
I've just been rereading the gardens of terrascape and I note broken 25 at one point talks about metatron and quotes:

'This Enoch, whose flesh was turned to flame, his veins to fire, his eye-lashes to flashes of lightning, his eye-balls to flaming torches, and whom God placed on a throne next to the throne of glory, received after this heavenly transformation the name Metatron.'

And not a one of us thought, oh, gosh, there's a guy called Enoch in this story wielding immense power and there is a misplaced spirit the equal of Satan. Rihaku is even laughing that we haven't identified the high conjoiners the next page. Hindsight's twenty twenty.

I wonder what things we're missing in this quest.

I note that Jotarun would have been the level of a grand solipsist/combat class cursebearer. I wonder therefore if this xianxia world was one possibility for Seram's next step along the Geas.

Idle thoughts.
 
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Rihaku said:
If you guys go Amplification / Open the Way, you might be able to outscale the Fates' power level before the Heroine awakens. You should decide whether you want to deal with the Fates by winning the contest against the Heroine (and thus getting a wish) or if you'd rather just take out the Fates directly (which doesn't require nearly the level of esoteric offense that might be necessary to deal with the Heroine within the world). The former would require a fairly different build compared to the latter.
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If we can kill the Fates, do we really need a Wish?
 
I'd rather we go for the wish. Necromancer explicitly has trouble controlling undead gods, and the fates are probably more useful to us enslaved then as cultivation resources
 
Blorcyn said:
I've just been rereading the gardens of terrascape and I note broken 25 at one point talks about metatron and quotes:

'This Enoch, whose flesh was turned to flame, his veins to fire, his eye-lashes to flashes of lightning, his eye-balls to flaming torches, and whom God placed on a throne next to the throne of glory, received after this heavenly transformation the name Metatron.'

And not a one of us thought, oh, gosh, there's a guy called Enoch in this story wielding immense power and there is a misplaced spirit the equal of Satan. Rihaku is even laughing that we haven't identified the high conjoiners the next page. Hindsight's twenty twenty.

I wonder what things we're missing in this quest.

I note that Jotarun would have been the level of a grand solipsist/combat class cursebearer. I wonder therefore if this xianxia world was one possibility for Seram's next step along the Geas.

Idle thoughts.
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Well, one thing supporting the theory we're doing a bit better than the last couple quests is we've had two BP rewards for guessing the nature of things. One for Zang Kong being Suizhen's nemesis and one for the nature of the Dao of All Paths. I don't recall deductions like that gaining commendations in the previous quests.
However, while I do suspect we're doing better, it's still quite likely that people have correctly guessed the nature of some aspect of the quest and we've either forgotten or not given it enough credit. I don't think we did all that well at such things in the last couple quests, partly just because it's really hard.

Has anyone read the xianxia works Rihaku has referenced directly at various times? If so, there may be things you think are super obvious and not worth talking about that the rest of us have no idea about.
 
FWIW, I'll note, belatedly, that removing the All Fates drawback isn't a reason to avoid Strategic Complexion. Its main benefit is to get information about the politics and state of the Empire, information we really need. It only commits us to act 'if necessary', so presumably we'd get a vote to decide on how we act.

(And, well, if disaster spirals quickly, the Empire falling is still very much a loss condition for us. It behooves us to know as much about how close to that condition we are as possible.)
 
VNodosaurus said:
FWIW, I'll note, belatedly, that removing the All Fates drawback isn't a reason to avoid Strategic Complexion. Its main benefit is to get information about the politics and state of the Empire, information we really need. It only commits us to act 'if necessary', so presumably we'd get a vote to decide on how we act.

(And, well, if disaster spirals quickly, the Empire falling is still very much a loss condition for us. It behooves us to know as much about how close to that condition we are as possible.)
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That's definitely a fair point. However, not wanting to deal with the Empire too soon does remove some of the benefit people expected out of Complexion, namely the idea of heading a large issue off at the pass. This is definitely a good point, though.
 
Blorcyn said:
I've just been rereading the gardens of terrascape and I note broken 25 at one point talks about metatron and quotes:

'This Enoch, whose flesh was turned to flame, his veins to fire, his eye-lashes to flashes of lightning, his eye-balls to flaming torches, and whom God placed on a throne next to the throne of glory, received after this heavenly transformation the name Metatron.'

And not a one of us thought, oh, gosh, there's a guy called Enoch in this story wielding immense power and there is a misplaced spirit the equal of Satan. Rihaku is even laughing that we haven't identified the high conjoiners the next page. Hindsight's twenty twenty.

I wonder what things we're missing in this quest.

I note that Jotarun would have been the level of a grand solipsist/combat class cursebearer. I wonder therefore if this xianxia world was one possibility for Seram's next step along the Geas.

Idle thoughts.
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To be fair, this was part of the very first update:
Rihaku said:
Enoch does not have a Conjoined Spirit.
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I mean, it's technically true because Enoch has completely subsumed the Countenance, but it's not particularly surprising that everybody would fail to make the connection after this bit of misdirection...
 
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