From Stone to the Stars

We're not boosting the Honored Elite value. Ever. Fuck the patricians.
Hopefully we can evolve it to something that doesn't have social stratification, while still netting us bonuses towards martial. If we can't, then we'll likely have to seek a way to supplement our fighting prowess.
 
Yeah, but the QM might've threw in a plant that can make it if the Finger's rolled a critical. I can't really think of much else that requires lots of evaporation...there's also the Finger's attraction to sweet things to consider. I feel it's more likely to be some form of sugar that they came up with.
Plants that make raw sugar are rare in colder climates, but...we are aware of sweet foods already. Sugar is not exotic enough to rank as spirit food by that..
 
Plants that make raw sugar are rare in colder climates, but...we are aware of sweet foods already. Sugar is not exotic enough to rank as spirit food by that..
Not convinced, as maple syrup could be boiled into sugar. Also, just because the Fingers discovered fruits that tasted sweet doesn't mean they wouldn't call sugar Spirit Food.
 
[X] [Waystation] Close River-Bend and move the People to the Fingers proper
[X] [Organize] Have each camp elect delegates and send a few to a new, central council
[X] [Martial] Build Palisade
-[X] Crystal Lake
[X] [Art] Investigate Spirit Food
[X] [Art] Prepare Trade Goods
[X] [Admin] Study Travel
[X] [Action] Study Travel
[X] [Action] Investigate Spirit Food
 
@Redium What can you tell us about the North Lake Raiders? What have they been up to, what tactics have they been seen using, how likely is it that they would attack us after one of our heroes dies, etc?
 
[X] Plan Consolidate

We should find a way to boost the elite trait, social stratification is inevitable as society advances, we can only mitigate it or redirect it for our benefit.
Hopefully we find a trait that helps social movement, so that we don't get a caste system which is the worse of stratification
 
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We're not boosting the Honored Elite value. Ever. Fuck the patricians.

I'll address this more in depth after work, but long story short: if you don't want to have social stratification and a noble class, give up on ever moving past the level of tribal confederation. Actually, even a tribal confederation might be too complex without having elites; chieftains after all tend to be some flavour of nobility. Having Elites is absolutely, 100% necessary, if you want to play a game of civilization.

@Redium What can you tell us about the North Lake Raiders? What have they been up to, what tactics have they been seen using, how likely is it that they would attack us after one of our heroes dies, etc?

You've heard nothing from them. Feodor knew that Alvar killed a lot of hunters in the Creek Battle, but it's been a few generations since then. They might be re-surging. They might have collapsed entirely. You would need to send an exploration north to find out.


Also, to Everyone, please for my sanity (and to reduce levels of salt in the quest) please vote by Plan.
 
When it comes to the martial action for Feodor, I think it would be best if we strike while the iron is hot and let Feodor create a Palisade to better defend the Fingers Settlement, which is likely to be our main camp from the moment due to both its advantageous position as well as it's soon to be higher population. Considering how it was he in the first place who broke through the last palisade, I think he might be well suited enough to devise a more defensible one this time.
Isn't the palisade there still standing? I'm concerned about crystal lake.
 
Also, to Everyone, please for my sanity (and to reduce levels of salt in the quest) please vote by Plan.
Alright
[X] Plan Elected Representatives
-[X] [Waystation] Close River-Bend and move the People to the Fingers proper
-[X] [Organize] Have each camp elect delegates and send a few to a new, central council
-[X] [Martial] Increase Hunting
-[X] [Art] Found Holy Site
--[X] Fingers
-[X] [Art] Investigate Spirit Food
-[X] [Admin] Study Travel
-[X] [Action] Collect Shellfish
-[X] [Action] Expand Wolfpacks
 
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Alright
[X] Plan Elected Representatives
-[X] [Waystation] Close River-Bend and move the People to the Fingers proper
-[X] [Organize] Have each camp elect delegates and send a few to a new, central council
-[X] [Martial] Increase Hunting
-[X] [Art] Found Holy Site
--[X] Fingers
-[X] [Art] Investigate Spirit Food
-[X] [Admin] Study Travel
-[X] [Action] Collect Shellfish
Your plan is missing an [Action] vote. If Expand Wolfpacks is added to the plan, I'll support it.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by Ghostdevil on Feb 22, 2018 at 11:56 AM, finished with 32 posts and 16 votes.

  • [X] Plan Consolidate
    -[X] [Waystation] Close River-Bend and move the People to the Fingers proper
    -[X] [Organize] Formalize the informal leader positions that the Three Brothers have had and let them lead a camp
    -[X] [Martial] Build Palisade
    --[X] Fingers
    -[X] [Art] Investigate Spirit Food
    -[X] [Art] Found Holy Site
    -- [X] Fingers
    -[X] [Admin] Collect Shellfish
    -[X] [Action] Increase Hunting
    -[X] [Action] Expand Traps
    [X] Plan Elected Representatives
    -[X] [Waystation] Close River-Bend and move the People to the Fingers proper
    -[X] [Organize] Have each camp elect delegates and send a few to a new, central council
    -[X] [Martial] Increase Hunting
    -[X] [Art] Found Holy Site
    --[X] Fingers
    -[X] [Art] Investigate Spirit Food
    -[X] [Admin] Study Travel
    -[X] [Action] Collect Shellfish
    [X] [Memory] Establish competitions (Promote Folk Wrestling)
    [X] [Victory] Settle some of the People in to support them. (Establish Waystation)
    [X] [Waystation] Close River-Bend and move the People to the Fingers proper
    [X] [Organize] Formalize the informal leader positions that the Three Brothers have had and let them lead a camp
    [X] [Martial] Increase Hunting
    [X] [Art] Expand Traps
    [X] [Art] Investigate Spirit Food
    [X] [Admin] Collect Shellfish
    [X] [Action] Harvest Water-Grass
    [X] [Action] Expand Wolfpacks
    [X] [Waystation] Close River-Bend and move the People to the Fingers proper
    [X] [Organize] Have each camp elect delegates and send a few to a new, central council
    [X] [Martial] Increase Hunting
    [X] [Art] Found Holy Site
    -[X] Fingers
    [X] [Art] Investigate Spirit Food
    [X] [Admin] Study Travel
    [X] [Action] Collect Shellfish
    [X] Plan Consolidate
    -[X] [Waystation] Close River-Bend and move the People to the Fingers proper
    -[X] [Organize] Formalize the informal leader positions that the Three Brothers have had and let them lead a camp
    -[X] [Martial] Build Palisade
    --[X] Fingers
    -[X] [Art] Investigate Spirit Food
    -[X] [Art] Found Holy Site
    -- [X] Fingers
    -[X] [Admin] Collect Shellfish
    -[X] [Action] Increase Hunting
    -[X] [Action] Expand Traps
    [X] Don't Starve
    -[X] [Waystation] Close River-Bend and move the People to the Fingers proper
    -[X] [Organize] Have each camp elect delegates and send a few to a new, central council
    -[X] [Martial] Expand Wolfpacks
    -[X] [Art] Expand Traps
    -[X] [Art] Found Holy Site
    -- [X] Fingers
    -[X] [Admin] Harvest Water-Grass
    -[X] [Action] Collect Shellfish
    -[X] [Action] Investigate Spirit Food
    [X] [Waystation] Close River-Bend and move the People to the Fingers proper
    [X] [Organize] Have each camp elect delegates and send a few to a new, central council
    [X] [Martial] Build Palisade
    -[X] Crystal Lake
    [X] [Art] Investigate Spirit Food
    [X] [Art] Prepare Trade Goods
    [X] [Admin] Study Travel
    [X] [Action] Study Travel
    [X] [Action] Investigate Spirit Food
 
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Adhoc vote count started by Ghostdevil on Feb 22, 2018 at 2:31 PM, finished with 37 posts and 19 votes.

  • [X] Plan Consolidate
    -[X] [Waystation] Close River-Bend and move the People to the Fingers proper
    -[X] [Organize] Formalize the informal leader positions that the Three Brothers have had and let them lead a camp
    -[X] [Martial] Build Palisade
    --[X] Fingers
    -[X] [Art] Investigate Spirit Food
    -[X] [Art] Found Holy Site
    -- [X] Fingers
    -[X] [Admin] Collect Shellfish
    -[X] [Action] Increase Hunting
    -[X] [Action] Expand Traps
    [X] Plan Elected Representatives
    -[X] [Waystation] Close River-Bend and move the People to the Fingers proper
    -[X] [Organize] Have each camp elect delegates and send a few to a new, central council
    -[X] [Martial] Increase Hunting
    -[X] [Art] Found Holy Site
    --[X] Fingers
    -[X] [Art] Investigate Spirit Food
    -[X] [Admin] Study Travel
    -[X] [Action] Collect Shellfish
    -[X] [Action] Expand Wolfpacks
    [X] [Memory] Establish competitions (Promote Folk Wrestling)
    [X] [Victory] Settle some of the People in to support them. (Establish Waystation)
    [X] [Waystation] Close River-Bend and move the People to the Fingers proper
    [X] [Organize] Formalize the informal leader positions that the Three Brothers have had and let them lead a camp
    [X] [Martial] Increase Hunting
    [X] [Art] Expand Traps
    [X] [Art] Investigate Spirit Food
    [X] [Admin] Collect Shellfish
    [X] [Action] Harvest Water-Grass
    [X] [Action] Expand Wolfpacks
    [X] [Waystation] Close River-Bend and move the People to the Fingers proper
    [X] [Organize] Have each camp elect delegates and send a few to a new, central council
    [X] [Martial] Increase Hunting
    [X] [Art] Found Holy Site
    -[X] Fingers
    [X] [Art] Investigate Spirit Food
    [X] [Admin] Study Travel
    [X] [Action] Collect Shellfish
    [X] Don't Starve
    -[X] [Waystation] Close River-Bend and move the People to the Fingers proper
    -[X] [Organize] Have each camp elect delegates and send a few to a new, central council
    -[X] [Martial] Expand Wolfpacks
    -[X] [Art] Expand Traps
    -[X] [Art] Found Holy Site
    -- [X] Fingers
    -[X] [Admin] Harvest Water-Grass
    -[X] [Action] Collect Shellfish
    -[X] [Action] Investigate Spirit Food
    [X] [Waystation] Close River-Bend and move the People to the Fingers proper
    [X] [Organize] Have each camp elect delegates and send a few to a new, central council
    [X] [Martial] Build Palisade
    -[X] Crystal Lake
    [X] [Art] Investigate Spirit Food
    [X] [Art] Prepare Trade Goods
    [X] [Admin] Study Travel
    [X] [Action] Study Travel
    [X] [Action] Investigate Spirit Food
 
[X] Plan Elected Representatives

We didn't burn down the Finger Palasides if I recall correctly, so I'm going with this.

We should send someone north, check up on our first enemies.
 
We didn't burn down the Finger Palasides if I recall correctly, so I'm going with this.

Feodor was the first hunter over the walls that night and among the first to set fire to the Fingermen's houses. They were quickly forced from the settlement when the Fingersmen realized what was going on, but it was too late by that point. The fires spread despite the snow and ice, leaving most of the settlement burned to the ground by morning and virtually all of their supplies destroyed.

Considering that building the palisade is still an option for the Fingers as a location, combined with the wording of how our raid on the Fingermen's settlement went, I'm assuming that the palisade that was destroyed like much of the settlement was when we raided it.

@Redium Can we have confirmation? Is there are Palisade at the Fingers settlement or was that burned down?
Adhoc vote count started by Japanime on Feb 22, 2018 at 6:17 PM, finished with 40 posts and 20 votes.

  • [X] Plan Consolidate
    -[X] [Waystation] Close River-Bend and move the People to the Fingers proper
    -[X] [Organize] Formalize the informal leader positions that the Three Brothers have had and let them lead a camp
    -[X] [Martial] Build Palisade
    --[X] Fingers
    -[X] [Art] Investigate Spirit Food
    -[X] [Art] Found Holy Site
    -- [X] Fingers
    -[X] [Admin] Collect Shellfish
    -[X] [Action] Increase Hunting
    -[X] [Action] Expand Traps
    [X] Plan Elected Representatives
    -[X] [Waystation] Close River-Bend and move the People to the Fingers proper
    -[X] [Organize] Have each camp elect delegates and send a few to a new, central council
    -[X] [Martial] Increase Hunting
    -[X] [Art] Found Holy Site
    --[X] Fingers
    -[X] [Art] Investigate Spirit Food
    -[X] [Admin] Study Travel
    -[X] [Action] Collect Shellfish
    -[X] [Action] Expand Wolfpacks
    [X] [Memory] Establish competitions (Promote Folk Wrestling)
    [X] [Victory] Settle some of the People in to support them. (Establish Waystation)
    [X] [Waystation] Close River-Bend and move the People to the Fingers proper
    [X] [Organize] Formalize the informal leader positions that the Three Brothers have had and let them lead a camp
    [X] [Martial] Increase Hunting
    [X] [Art] Expand Traps
    [X] [Art] Investigate Spirit Food
    [X] [Admin] Collect Shellfish
    [X] [Action] Harvest Water-Grass
    [X] [Action] Expand Wolfpacks
    [X] [Waystation] Close River-Bend and move the People to the Fingers proper
    [X] [Organize] Have each camp elect delegates and send a few to a new, central council
    [X] [Martial] Increase Hunting
    [X] [Art] Found Holy Site
    -[X] Fingers
    [X] [Art] Investigate Spirit Food
    [X] [Admin] Study Travel
    [X] [Action] Collect Shellfish
    [X] Don't Starve
    -[X] [Waystation] Close River-Bend and move the People to the Fingers proper
    -[X] [Organize] Have each camp elect delegates and send a few to a new, central council
    -[X] [Martial] Expand Wolfpacks
    -[X] [Art] Expand Traps
    -[X] [Art] Found Holy Site
    -- [X] Fingers
    -[X] [Admin] Harvest Water-Grass
    -[X] [Action] Collect Shellfish
    -[X] [Action] Investigate Spirit Food
    [X] [Waystation] Close River-Bend and move the People to the Fingers proper
    [X] [Organize] Have each camp elect delegates and send a few to a new, central council
    [X] [Martial] Build Palisade
    -[X] Crystal Lake
    [X] [Art] Investigate Spirit Food
    [X] [Art] Prepare Trade Goods
    [X] [Admin] Study Travel
    [X] [Action] Study Travel
    [X] [Action] Investigate Spirit Food
 
Hmmm.

Well that's a trick. Honored Elites is going to cause !!FUN!! for us, since things similar to meritocracy(it's not a perfect fit, but its close) in the neolithic(or any time pre-industrial for the most part) is kind of really hard to get right. I'll be really frank when I say this does not make me very confident in our continued happy existence, thinking about the potential future complications.

Though right now, it's actually really helpful for pushing our government/social organization up to the next level!
 
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