Actually, I found a rather amusing RAW solution for that.

You have cast a spell to turn iron into uranium-235. Okay. We'll say that can be done

Then you try to induce fission.

Uh. But wait. There's a magic spell in place saying that this is uranium-235. So when you try to split the uranium atoms, nothing happens. Because there's a spell saying that this is uranium. And splitting the atom would make it not uranium any more, so the spell stops it from becoming not-uranium.

After all, the duration of the effect is ongoing; it's not permanent. There's active magic keeping the material as uranium. You can't say "this is uranium for as long as I need it to be, but then each atom stops being uranium when I want it". Not at Matter 2.

And that's a strictly RAW physics and mechanics based reading that forbids it.
By that RAW, surely I can't set any material I've transmuted on fire, and transmuted metals are immune to corrosion?
 
...god, this is making running a Mage Quest sound like more and more of a headache each passing radioactive half-life.
I mean, as long as you insist on fucking science and basic logic in the eye at every possible turn, sure, it would be about as enjoyable as drinking a dysentery culture.

Seriously, I'd handle this by talking with the PCs and making sure they know to keep munchkining within agreed-upon parameters, instead of gimping the shit out of Forces and Matter by having 90% of anything you do without at least 4 dots spit out nonsensical bullshit results that should honestly be vulgar as all fuck. Like, Fortean Storm is less teeth-grindingly illogical, and that's literally "make logic fly out the window" in rote form.

Actually, if low-level Matter spells just produce freakish unmatter that obeys no comprehensible laws of physics or chemistry, why not drop the prohibitions on making things like liquid wood or gaseous concrete? It's not like that makes any more sense than uranium that remains quantum locked in a subatomic scale.
 
I mean, as long as you insist on fucking science and basic logic in the eye at every possible turn, sure, it would be about as enjoyable as drinking a dysentery culture.

Seriously, I'd handle this by talking with the PCs and making sure they know to keep munchkining within agreed-upon parameters, instead of gimping the shit out of Forces and Matter by having 90% of anything you do without at least 4 dots spit out nonsensical bullshit results that should honestly be vulgar as all fuck. Like, Fortean Storm is less teeth-grindingly illogical, and that's literally "make logic fly out the window" in rote form.

Actually, if low-level Matter spells just produce freakish unmatter that obeys no comprehensible laws of physics or chemistry, why not drop the prohibitions on making things like liquid wood or gaseous concrete? It's not like that makes any more sense than uranium that remains quantum locked in a subatomic scale.

You could be a little less acrebic?

I was talking more about the constant shit-storm arguments Mage magic seems to invoke (thought it was just oMage, but apparently not). I don't actually have a dog in this race, and my name's not EarthScorpion.
 
Seriously, I'd handle this by talking with the PCs and making sure they know to keep munchkining within agreed-upon parameters, instead of gimping the shit out of Forces and Matter by having 90% of anything you do without at least 4 dots spit out nonsensical bullshit results that should honestly be vulgar as all fuck.

What do you think vulgarity has to do in nMage? It ain't got shit to do with believability at a fundamental level. Spells are either vulgar or coincidental. The only way that Sleepers can make things improbable is by flagging things for the Abyss to target.

So, no. Things aren't vulgar because "they break the laws of physics". Because the "laws of physics" are just imperfect approximations in nMage. And vulgarity is only to do with the Abyss.

And as for oMage, you can only make radioactive materials with Matter 5, or by combining Matter and Forces. So in the Mage which actually gives a fuck about "the laws of physics", this shit just plain-out doesn't work.
 
Hey. What would you say Snowflame here would be?



Either WoD or CoD.

If you guys dont know about this dude. Look him up. Its awesome and stupid at the same time.
 
Nah.

It's just non-radioactive uranium. It can't decay, you see, because it can't stop being uranium.

If a Sleeper knows enough about that to call bullshit, Disbelief unravels the spell and then they go "Huh, silly me, I thought this was uranium but it was actually just scrap iron. Duh. I'm a fucking moron who's been watching too much 24 if I think I'll find some fucking uranium here. Urgh, I need a drink".
Alternatively it becomes depleted Uranium and it was always depleted Uranium?
 
Hey. What would you say Snowflame here would be?

Either WoD or CoD.
If you guys dont know about this dude. Look him up. Its awesome and stupid at the same time.
He could be the leader of a Cult in NWoD, or a Marauder in OWoD.
Isn't he the fellow that gets superpowers by doing shitloads of cocaine?
So, the stereotypical Ecstatic?
He worships cocaine as a personified deity.
Snowflame (New Earth)
In case people are curious about what he actually does;
...that last one is the really insane one, since The Floronic Man is a plant.
 
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Hey. What would you say Snowflame here would be?



Either WoD or CoD.

If you guys dont know about this dude. Look him up. Its awesome and stupid at the same time.
He could be the leader of a Cult in NWoD, or a Marauder in OWoD.

He worships cocaine as a personified deity.
Snowflame believes that Cocaine is the one true God, and he is it's Prophet. He might be right.
Sorcerer with 6 in Alchemy Path specializing in enhanced maximum trippy drugs.
 
Also, you have an oMage game and I don't. This is objectively unfair to me and you are opressing my paradigm, to make up for this, you should either let me join or tell me about it. Preferably both. :V

It's a Technocracy game where we have a couple of newbies, @Scia playing the seen-it-all ~nwo~ agent, and I'm playing the unsubtle brick of primium to the face. Like, incredibly unsubtle. "I have an Exoskeleton and a bunch more Enhancement" unsubtle. Oh and I stacked True Faith on that because fuck direct magical attack amirite.

My solution to about 80% of the problems we face are "find a way to turn it into a problem I can punch in the face, then punch it in the face." It is incredibly relaxing.


The most amusing factoid about uranium and other radioactive materials in Mage, new or old, is that you need Matter 5 to create radioactives.

Matter 5 is used to create perfected alchemical substances.

Uranium: The seventh magical material?! What bonuses does a daiklaive made of uranium get you?
 
Uranium: The seventh magical material?! What bonuses does a daiklaive made of uranium get you?

Well, from the name it's presumably the sacred metal of Uranus, a lost Maiden (and sister of Pluto, Maiden of Hours).

Or possibly it's the starmetal hewn from her corpse, which still, to this date, slowly decays.

Hmm. Actually, hmm, I'd be inclined to make the radioactive metals linked to Autochthon. Decay and metal and cancer is his thing, after all.
 
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It's a Technocracy game where we have a couple of newbies, @Scia playing the seen-it-all ~nwo~ agent, and I'm playing the unsubtle brick of primium to the face. Like, incredibly unsubtle. "I have an Exoskeleton and a bunch more Enhancement" unsubtle. Oh and I stacked True Faith on that because fuck direct magical attack amirite.

That sounds hilarious, and True Faith + Primium is an asshat-move and you know it you dick.

Fuck those Reality Deviants up good.

My solution to about 80% of the problems we face are "find a way to turn it into a problem I can punch in the face, then punch it in the face." It is incredibly relaxing.

An incredibly versatile solution.

In fact it is so versatile that [insert convoluted reasons here].

And that is why you totes should let me join, and no I am not depressed because I have a physical craving for playing a Technocrat. :V
 
I think the Technocracy are the objective bad guys of Mage that everyone should loathe from the bottom of their souls.

On the other hand I would happily sell said soul to play a badass CYBORG MAGE
 
It's a Technocracy game where we have a couple of newbies, @Scia playing the seen-it-all ~nwo~ agent, and I'm playing the unsubtle brick of primium to the face. Like, incredibly unsubtle. "I have an Exoskeleton and a bunch more Enhancement" unsubtle. Oh and I stacked True Faith on that because fuck direct magical attack amirite.

My solution to about 80% of the problems we face are "find a way to turn it into a problem I can punch in the face, then punch it in the face." It is incredibly relaxing.



The most amusing factoid about uranium and other radioactive materials in Mage, new or old, is that you need Matter 5 to create radioactives.

Matter 5 is used to create perfected alchemical substances.

Uranium: The seventh magical material?! What bonuses does a daiklaive made of uranium get you?
You do have a shrine to Autowaifu in your room after all
Warning this is a ~NWO~post with the associated levels of truth and TRUTH
That sounds hilarious, and True Faith + Primium is an asshat-move and you know it you dick.

Fuck those Reality Deviants up good.



An incredibly versatile solution.

In fact it is so versatile that [insert convoluted reasons here].

And that is why you totes should let me join, and no I am not depressed because I have a physical craving for playing a Technocrat. :V
Our latest mission had us dealing with one of the Gentry, propperly ones not a changeling, that likes to use Humans and Vampires as building material. Which lead to parts of the building gooing POOF as @mj12 comando was walking past them.
And well I am Alistair St.john the oldest members of the party serving the union for 40ish years, most of them as a Mary class construct prior to getting some upgrades and enligthen while on a mission. Mostly I am to old for this stuff as I am roughly as old as as three quarters of the party combined and it shows.
 
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