Hey. What would you say Snowflame here would be?



Either WoD or CoD.

If you guys dont know about this dude. Look him up. Its awesome and stupid at the same time.
I'd say he's a seriously jacked-up Elemental Changeling who has managed to make personal Contracts with the coca plant itself, and now acts as a deranged visionary iconoclast who seeks to tear down the order of the Courts in favor of a new order, where the Lost shall shelter within the ecstatic embrace of cocaine.
 
Perhaps the bible was wrong. Jesus did not give his disciples bread, saying that it was his body. He gave them Cocaine, which really is the body of God.

It's canon in the oWoD that the Biblical Prophet Elisha was actually a vampire, and the she-bears who ate the children that mocked him were his werebear abomination childer. So Jesus is actually an Earthbound Demon possessing a mind-altering drug would fit.
 
Perhaps the bible was wrong. Jesus did not give his disciples bread, saying that it was his body. He gave them Cocaine, which really is the body of God.

It's canon in the oWoD that the Biblical Prophet Elisha was actually a vampire, and the she-bears who ate the children that mocked him were his werebear abomination childer. So Jesus is actually an Earthbound Demon possessing a mind-altering drug would fit.
No, no, he couldn't be an Earthbound demon, because he has a human body. Regular Demon that's simultaneously possessing the drugs might work though.

The whole resurrection thing was obv after shedding the last bit of Torment in that case.
 
This is so Classic World of Darkness that my T-shirt transformed to a trenchcoat.

One of the Werebears is named Sarah Childslayer, presumably because of that incident. She appears in Breedbook: Gurahl.


Though I'm somewhat partial to the Jesus was a Vampire idea, myself. We can say that he was crucified at night, and Longinus was his ghoul, who speared him in the side to drive him into torpor, so the Romans would take him down before sunrise. He was out for 3 days because he had 9 dots on his Path of Enlightenment. (Path of Evil Revelations, pretending to be Messiah prevented him from reaching the 10th dot.)
 
I just don't care what Jesus was.

Like, it's completely irrelevant to my games and also one of my players is a very devout Christian who is very much better than me at fighting with swords so I don't want her to call a crusade on my house.
 
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one of my players is a very devout Christian who is very much better at me at fighting with swords so I don't want her to call a crusade on my house.

Well, I suppose that Satan can't fault you for that.

White Wolf has a really hard time deciding if Christianity is the one true religion or not. Like, sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. This changes from book to book, often depending on who is writing it.



Of course, White Wolf also has a hard time deciding if brutally raping women with strapons in the bathroom of a lesbian nightclub and collecting the blood from their ruined vaginas is something that the players should be doing or not, often depending on who is drawing the artwork and if it's a Black Dog book.

White Wolf really liked being transgressive and edgy. But not too transgressive and edgy, and had a hard time finding the line that they wanted to ride.
 
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I just don't care what Jesus was.

Like, it's completely irrelevant to my games and also one of my players is a very devout Christian who is very much better at me at fighting with swords so I don't want her to call a crusade on my house.

Amusingly enough, in an oMage-centric oWoD, it literally doesn't matter what he originally was - or even if he always existed. He's the Son of God, who walked on water and raised the dead now, because of all that mass of belief making it so.

(The Technocracy is lying to you about it when it tries to keep religion out of schools. It does that kind of thing, as the oppressive secular Man.)

Meanwhile in nMage as I run it, the entire topic is prooooooobably undefinable considering the fact that reality rather resembles a Wikipedia edit war. But there's certainly some Truth in Christianity, given that you can find Mysteries in the obscure bits of it that the Sleepers haven't corroded away by looking at it with their Abyss-tainted eyes.
 
Those sound like they could be used for exotic experiments.
There's actually a legacy of mages that are stated to frequently use matter spells to make impossible alloys to experiment with and use. Admittedly probably every single Moros does that at some point, I have no doubt the Arrow has some ridiculous alloy that they use for their really good weapons and armor.
 
There's actually a legacy of mages that are stated to frequently use matter spells to make impossible alloys to experiment with and use. Admittedly probably every single Moros does that at some point, I have no doubt the Arrow has some ridiculous alloy that they use for their really good weapons and armor.

Make the murder weapon out of an impossible alloy. When the Sleepers try to investigate it, they'll destroy the evidence.
 
Amusingly enough, in an oMage-centric oWoD, it literally doesn't matter what he originally was - or even if he always existed. He's the Son of God, who walked on water and raised the dead now, because of all that mass of belief making it so.

(The Technocracy is lying to you about it when it tries to keep religion out of schools. It does that kind of thing, as the oppressive secular Man.)

Meanwhile in nMage as I run it, the entire topic is prooooooobably undefinable considering the fact that reality rather resembles a Wikipedia edit war. But there's certainly some Truth in Christianity, given that you can find Mysteries in the obscure bits of it that the Sleepers haven't corroded away by looking at it with their Abyss-tainted eyes.
Replacing the evil Exarchs with the wiki bureaucracy is probably the easiest way to make nWoD more horrifying.
 
...that means that the Pentacle are trying to get more people on the mod teams, the signing your name in the Supernal realm is akin to putting your email address down on a mailing list...

man that gets fucked up when you think about it.
 
Make the murder weapon out of an impossible alloy. When the Sleepers try to investigate it, they'll destroy the evidence.
Depends on how you go about it. The Forge Masters use magic only during the manufacturing process to make the components behave as desired until solidified. After that there's nothing Supernal going on, just a really weird hunk of metal. Would probably still cause a lot of confusion though.
 
It doesn't require removing them.

According to Imperial Mysteries, this is basically how reality looks due to Archmasters.
Except the big thing with wiki is that they're not evil (generally). They just happen to be worse than the sum of their parts.

Imagine is the Exarchs had cut the world off to save it and weren't trying to fuck everyone over, but it just keeps happening bro. And every year we got annoying banners in the sky begging for money
 
On another note, while reading through my old Sorcerer's Crusade it mentions that people who fail the initiation into the Ksirafai and don't Awaken become part of an elite fellowship called the Etfalti that assist the Ksirafai.

But what does the word "Etfalti" mean? My google searches have turned up nothing.

Perhaps @MJ12 Commando or @EarthScorpion might help me with my inquiry here?
 
On another note, while reading through my old Sorcerer's Crusade it mentions that people who fail the initiation into the Ksirafai and don't Awaken become part of an elite fellowship called the Etfalti that assist the Ksirafai.
Mages keeping around Sorcerers isn't anything new.
Traditions are just so condescending to people who can't Awaken :mad:
Hedge Mages really shouldn't let themselves be second class citizens.
Join a Society with other Sorcerers and spurn the Mages!
 
But what does the word "Etfalti" mean? My google searches have turned up nothing.
"ti" in word-final position is the sort of word-part that looks like it might be an inflectional ending. Dropping it provides "etfal". Googling "Etfal" finds me Turkish things. Looking up "etfal" on tr.wiktionary.org and cross-referencing words I read there with en.wiktionary.org suggests to me that "etfal" is a word (apparently now obsolete) derived from Arabic which means "children".

So that looks plausible.
 
Mages keeping around Sorcerers isn't anything new.
Traditions are just so condescending to people who can't Awaken :mad:
Hedge Mages really shouldn't let themselves be second class citizens.
Join a Society with other Sorcerers and spurn the Mages!

They aren't actually mentioned to be sorcerers, and the Ksirafai would most likely treat them pretty nice.

I mean, people who aren't treated nice might do stupid things like reveal the fact that you are part of a secret razor inquisition founded to cut away the corruption in the Order of Reason at the root.

"ti" in word-final position is the sort of word-part that looks like it might be an inflectional ending. Dropping it provides "etfal". Googling "Etfal" finds me Turkish things. Looking up "etfal" on tr.wiktionary.org and cross-referencing words I read there with en.wiktionary.org suggests to me that "etfal" is a word (apparently now obsolete) derived from Arabic which means "children".

So that looks plausible.

Thanks, that looks reasonable! :smile:
 
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They aren't actually mentioned to be sorcerers, and the Ksirafai would most likely treat them pretty nice.

I mean, people who aren't treated nice might do stupid things like reveal the fact that you are part of a secret razor inquisition founded to cut away the corruption in the Order of Reason at the root.

Will workers of the world unite!
Sorcerers of the world - don't allow establishment mages push you around.
Stand up against entitled Awakened bullying!
 
Okay, and so now here is the preacher's daughter. *collapses* @Broken25 , was it you that asked about her?

These really are work, but sorta fun. If anyone has questions, please ask, I'm still working the system out and thinking things through.

Name: Preacher's Daughter
Gender: Female
Age: 16

Virtue: Piety
Vice: Curosity

Attributes:

Strength 3, Dexterity 2, Stamina 3
Presence 2, Manipulation 2, Composure 2
Intelligence 3, Wits 3, Resolve 3

Defining Aspect--

Promising Student: She's smart and well liked around school. In fact, she has a pretty good grasp of not merely the basics of high-school learning, but even the things that are up to the senior year. Beyond what a person might learn in a segregated high-school she's a little lost, and so there are limits as to the kinds of things she'd know about, but if it can be found in a textbook she might have read, she's probably read it. As well, she knows how to plan her time, to get along with other people at school and not get into fights, and other ways


Major Aspects--

Preacher's Daughter: Growing up with a father who tells the gospel word, you learn how to mimic the way he gives sermons, quote the bible chapter and verse, and know more than a little about how to interact with people and their religions, faiths, and how churches function. Whether it is mingling after church, being a sounding board for her father's sermons, or playing games that involve reciting long passages of the bible from memory, she is good at it.

A Bit of a Tomboy: She's really at the age where you're supposed to outgrow this sort of thing, really. But she still likes climbing things, she still likes running around the school, she still knows a little about getting into a scrap, even if she hasn't actually gotten into a fight since...well, a few years. She's keen, athletic, and interested in baseball which she read about, not having a radio, and that being fledgling besides. In any wise, it certainly isn't fading with time, and it's given her a set of interests and hobbies that meshes quite interestingly with her obvious piety and (reasonably, mostly) obedient nature.

Minor Aspects--

Can We Keep Him?: She has had dogs and cats before, and currently has one of each, which she of course does all of the work taking care of, because her mom said that if she had to deal with that, she'd throw them out. She has a bit of a way with animals, and after the third or fourth stray, also with people and convincing them to go along with her quite innocent and well-meaning requests.

Breakers of Chains: Abraham Lincoln was a swell guy, in her opinion. Her own father's involvement in the NAACP and her engagement in High School history has made it so that she's actually surprisingly knowledgeable on race issues, and quite talkative about them in the right circumstances. She knows how to keep her mouth shut, of course, around older white men or the like, but she has her opinions and she wears them on her sleeve, and that includes knowing a lot of things most girls her age don't.

The Local Problem Solver: Kids in her neighborhood and at school tend to trust and like her, and even go to her for help sometimes, whether of an academic nature or just to see what she has to say. She's not exactly a local guru or anything, but she's clever and tends to be able to help people with minor problems, or dispense advice, even if that advice is often enough 'Really, you should tell your parents, they're gonna find out, you know, and if they find out and you didn't tell them, they'll cane your hide raw.'

Sneaking The Cookie Jar: She's not a dishonest person, but being someone with a lot of friends means that you sometimes know how to lie for them, and more than that, that you know a little about sneaking an extra quarter here and there. Whenever caught she's full of contrition, and more than that she's not a fundamentally dishonest person, but...well, she knows plenty of people who deserve an extra cookie every now and then.

Mother's Teachings: Her mother has tried to at least teach her the basics of cooking, cleaning, and keeping house. The logic that she'll probably need it if she goes to college has been pretty persuasive, and while there are gaps, she's quite self-sufficient when it comes to balancing a budget or all of the other things a modern woman is expected to do, as far as it goes. She's best at cooking meat, and her recipes are all pretty simple, but it's food that'll fill a belly, and that's the most important thing.

Merits--

(*) Profession--Promising Student (High School)

1 dot: She knows how to do a good job and impress her teachers. Gain 9-again to all rolls involving her Defining Aspect.
2 dots: She knows people at school, and is active there. Gain 2 Contacts.
3 dots: She's very smart, and well on her way to deserving more consideration, despite this being, well, the 1920s, all things considered. Defining Aspect now grants +4.
4 dots: Not on horizon.
5 dots: Not on horizon.

(***) Parents: It may seem absurd to say it, but having parents in the picture who can help solve moderate problems is a boon. Obviously the drawback is that if they get involved and it's over her head, it could end badly, and that more than that, they obviously are sure they know best, but asking Mom or Dad is totally an option available to her, and one that can enlist their aid and ask their advice.

(**) Contacts:

She has contacts with both People She Knows At Church, a broad group but in some ways self-selecting, and among those kids she knows around the neighborhood. People are willing to talk to her, ask her advice, and that goes both ways, doesn't it? If she wants to ask around, she could certainly do worse than asking when she's at church, with someone inclined to see her well already.

(*) Resources:

She has a little bit of spending money saved up. Not much at all, but it's something. And it's more than a lot of people have, and so she knows to be grateful for it.

???: ???

???. Mystery Merit!
 
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Okay, and so now here is the preacher's daughter. *collapses* @Broken25 , was it you that asked about her?

These really are work, but sorta fun. If anyone has questions, please ask, I'm still working the system out and thinking things through.

Name: Preacher's Daughter
Gender: Female
Age: 16

Virtue: Piety
Vice: Curosity

Attributes:

Strength 3, Dexterity 2, Stamina 3
Presence 2, Manipulation 2, Composure 2
Intelligence 3, Wits 3, Resolve 3

Defining Aspect--

Promising Student: She's smart and well liked around school. In fact, she has a pretty good grasp of not merely the basics of high-school learning, but even the things that are up to the senior year. Beyond what a person might learn in a segregated high-school she's a little lost, and so there are limits as to the kinds of things she'd know about, but if it can be found in a textbook she might have read, she's probably read it. As well, she knows how to plan her time, to get along with other people at school and not get into fights, and other ways


Major Aspects--

Preacher's Daughter: Growing up with a father who tells the gospel word, you learn how to mimic the way he gives sermons, quote the bible chapter and verse, and know more than a little about how to interact with people and their religions, faiths, and how churches function. Whether it is mingling after church, being a sounding board for her father's sermons, or playing games that involve reciting long passages of the bible from memory, she is good at it.

A Bit of a Tomboy: She's really at the age where you're supposed to outgrow this sort of thing, really. But she still likes climbing things, she still likes running around the school, she still knows a little about getting into a scrap, even if she hasn't actually gotten into a fight since...well, a few years. She's keen, athletic, and interested in baseball which she read about, not having a radio, and that being fledgling besides. In any wise, it certainly isn't fading with time, and it's given her a set of interests and hobbies that meshes quite interestingly with her obvious piety and (reasonably, mostly) obedient nature.

Minor Aspects--

Can We Keep Him?: She has had dogs and cats before, and currently has one of each, which she of course does all of the work taking care of, because her mom said that if she had to deal with that, she'd throw them out. She has a bit of a way with animals, and after the third or fourth stray, also with people and convincing them to go along with her quite innocent and well-meaning requests.

Breakers of Chains: Abraham Lincoln was a swell guy, in her opinion. Her own father's involvement in the NAACP and her engagement in High School history has made it so that she's actually surprisingly knowledgeable on race issues, and quite talkative about them in the right circumstances. She knows how to keep her mouth shut, of course, around older white men or the like, but she has her opinions and she wears them on her sleeve, and that includes knowing a lot of things most girls her age don't.

The Local Problem Solver: Kids in her neighborhood and at school tend to trust and like her, and even go to her for help sometimes, whether of an academic nature or just to see what she has to say. She's not exactly a local guru or anything, but she's clever and tends to be able to help people with minor problems, or dispense advice, even if that advice is often enough 'Really, you should tell your parents, they're gonna find out, you know, and if they find out and you didn't tell them, they'll cane your hide raw.'

Sneaking The Cookie Jar: She's not a dishonest person, but being someone with a lot of friends means that you sometimes know how to lie for them, and more than that, that you know a little about sneaking an extra quarter here and there. Whenever caught she's full of contrition, and more than that she's not a fundamentally dishonest person, but...well, she knows plenty of people who deserve an extra cookie every now and then.

Mother's Teachings: Her mother has tried to at least teach her the basics of cooking, cleaning, and keeping house. The logic that she'll probably need it if she goes to college has been pretty persuasive, and while there are gaps, she's quite self-sufficient when it comes to balancing a budget or all of the other things a modern woman is expected to do, as far as it goes. She's best at cooking meat, and her recipes are all pretty simple, but it's food that'll fill a belly, and that's the most important thing.

Merits--

(*) Profession--Promising Student (High School)

1 dot: She knows how to do a good job and impress her teachers. Gain 9-again to all rolls involving her Defining Aspect.
2 dots: She knows people at school, and is active there. Gain 2 Contacts.
3 dots: She's very smart, and well on her way to deserving more consideration, despite this being, well, the 1920s, all things considered. Defining Aspect now grants +4.
4 dots: Not on horizon.
5 dots: Not on horizon.

(***) Parents: It may seem absurd to say it, but having parents in the picture who can help solve moderate problems is a boon. Obviously the drawback is that if they get involved and it's over her head, it could end badly, and that more than that, they obviously are sure they know best, but asking Mom or Dad is totally an option available to her, and one that can enlist their aid and ask their advice.

(**) Contacts:

She has contacts with both People She Knows At Church, a broad group but in some ways self-selecting, and among those kids she knows around the neighborhood. People are willing to talk to her, ask her advice, and that goes both ways, doesn't it? If she wants to ask around, she could certainly do worse than asking when she's at church, with someone inclined to see her well already.

(*) Resources:

She has a little bit of spending money saved up. Not much at all, but it's something. And it's more than a lot of people have, and so she knows to be grateful for it.

???: ???

???. Mystery Merit!
Honestly with her writeup I would have assumed that she has physical as Tertiary especially that she is currently as strong as the average 20 year old man and quite tough for a girl, as a 2 is after all average for a adult.
 
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