Well, the undead dragon did rip up the roof directly over oskars room iirc.
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I would have though they already had the skills and designs, as they've been the stewards of the first Imperial fleet for way longer we've been stewards of the third
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Something to do with the Greatship being an untested ship design. Ostland's ship building capability. The Greatship is not mass producible. Stephan's reputation issues. Greatships are like a steam tank, only without the imperial history backing them. The Greatships are also right next door to Nordland. Stephan may want to throw his ship building efforts on mass production of the proven ship designs, instead of on acquiring a Greatship from the neighbour who is gonna help him out anyways. The same neighbor who has the facilities to care for a greatship while Stephan might not.
If Freddy has shared the design with Stephan, I don't remember that. If this is something we can toss at Stephan, maybe it should be a diplomacy action in the turns?
Hey guys um what threadmark was the one where we killed the father of the one of the sub race of beastmen
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Im fairly sure Freddy's never brought up greatship designs with Stephan. Stephan may have commented on them at least once (tho im not sure) but never got the design.
It should be right before karak ungor. maybe last or second to last entry in the laurelorn mini-arc (it's not lovely laurelorn)
edit: it's secret war, the one with the bone gate
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The Secret War – The Battle of the Bone Gate Eastern Edge of Laurelorn Forest The elves look desperate. The Greatswords looks largely dismissive at their issues while also concerned about your reaction and decision. The Pulverizers have no visible expression due to the massive armor covering...
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Pretty sure it's this one, it was just before Karak Ungor and resulted in Freddy getting the Light of Summer.
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The most clutch magic item of this entire quest. We'd be down at least two dynasty members without it!Warhammer Fantasy: A Dynasty of Dynamic Alcoholism
The Secret War – The Battle of the Bone Gate Eastern Edge of Laurelorn Forest The elves look desperate. The Greatswords looks largely dismissive at their issues while also concerned about your reaction and decision. The Pulverizers have no visible expression due to the massive armor covering...
Pretty sure it's this one, it was just before Karak Ungor and resulted in Freddy getting the Light of Summer.
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A little late, but as someone who's been following this from the start (although I don't think I started posting until 2017 or so?) I haven't regretted a single moment of my 7 years reading and enjoying this. Here's to a wonderful QM, a wonderful quest, a (mostly 
) wonderful community, and to good times to come.
) wonderful community, and to good times to come.
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We've been using them for several decades now, not one has sunk and they've killed just about everything they've been up against. At this point their a proven design. Greatships are too expensive for Ostland to build more then one at a time. But if the production line was for TWO provinces, and a priesthood that production line would be much more worth it. I'm rereading now and we don't talk to Stephan once on screen about the Greatships.
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Please, do not use hyperbole in this argument. Seven decades is seventy years. We have not had seventy turns yet.
The Greatships are new. They have, I think only recently gotten any approval in their design. Did it take years before we could build one greatship a year?
Sigh, the players are not Stephan. "I know this". Logically this means Stephan chooses if he wants to build a greatship each year, and Freddy may not know about how many greatships Stephan has built in five years. Mass production! No, no mass production by having two provinces produce greatships a year. The posssibility for that is possibly there, yes. Does not actually mean it happens every year because the players would do that. So of course the NPCs must do the same as the players to the benefit of the players! No, that's not always a thing.
@torroar does the topic work for Stephan for the EM?
1. Talk to Stephan von Kessel, of Nordland, about the greatship design, with the hopeful goal of Stephan using them in Nordland's navy.
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lancelot
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Goggle Several it normally mean around 3 not 7 where the hell did you get 7?
We've had Greatships for 2 to 3 decades and they been nothing but successes. This isn't a Dwarf quest that is more then enough to be a successful design and if it wasn't a successful design the priesthood of the fucking sea god wouldn't have wanted them for themselves.
I know we don't control Stephen and I never said we did so I don't know where that is coming from either. What I do know is he has a bigger fleet with more resources for things like Greatships.
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On "several" that's my bad. Always thought it meant seven. Not an abstract number of 3-5.
Handing over the greatships to the Cult of Manaan was a recent thing. The greatships are still a product of Ostland, which is where those crazy drunks live. Very recently we were able to sell the seed drills to the rest of the empire, and even then tech rejection is still around for a better food producer.
Greatships cost 500 gold a piece, and a whole year to build. Now this is not that much for Ostland. Ostland's economy can handle this, and we have an imperial stipend, so things are easier on Ostland. Nordland's economy is somewhat unknown, northern province = poor, fleet = ?, Nurgle problem = ?, population = ?, exports = ?, imports = ?, expense per year = ?. And didn't Nordland suffer a severe coastal attack in the last decade, on top of the ship burning of the Holders of the Shore?
I believe we should be able to offer Stephan the greatships soon, during a turn, if he doesn't have one already offscreen. I won't be surprised if he currently has none though.
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There's also the possibility that Imperials just have a slight aversion to change. Not as bad as the dwarves, of course, but still there. I imagine it would take some pivotal or massive battle with a bombastic or highly successful performance from the Greatships to actually make an impression enough to get the design accepted widely. But even then the hype would be limited to Marienburg and Nordland, since anywhere else few would care as much for ships they can't use inland.
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Finally Back! Had the time to catch up with the story and reread a few things. Glad to see that our electoral meetings, while more political, are still as hairbrained as ever. 
Something marginal I found while reading up on a few posts regarding the characters:
On a different note: Does anyone remember what the Blue Steel Concordant is? I completely forgot where this was mentioned.
The Elector's Meet. Things have been going well so far. We got some politicking done and had our traditional day of fun in Nuln.
But I must confess I'm a bit annoyed.
Approaching the Countess of Wissenland to shore up relations between the North and South further.
We just met with the Countess and while it was a productive personal meeting, the same can certainly not be said for the political side of things. I think we could have done more to mend some bridges, be it more trade or giving military advise in regards to the Skaven threat. There was certainly more potential.
Shrugs It's water under the bridge.
We still got three days to go, not counting the current one with Myrmidia, so it's relatively easy to decide upon a few things.
I would advise to meet up with Ortrud and Stephan to get our stories straight on the Beastmen purge in Ostland, Laurelorn and Albion. In addition we might as well discuss what we imagine the coming Empire wide trade agreement to look like. Yes, Magnus is working on it, but we have our own political and economical needs. Especially Nordland. Maybe ask whether they have already met with Magnus?
It would also be good to catch up a bit, since we never bothered to meet with them before an Elector's Meet.
Two days to go and it gets a bit harder.
A meeting with Magnus to give a more private apology, discuss the religious tensions and what we did in response? Further things that could be done on our side and, obviously, information about the things that happened in Laurelorn, Athel Lauren (only Freddy was really there), Albion (if Ortrud and Stephan weren't able to inform him yet) and the Beastmen purge.
One could argue that Stephan and Ortrud are able to give the same information, but Magnus values Freddy's input and opinion on things. Not to mention that there is a difference to having been there and having heard about it.
Last day...
I'm torn between Averland, Stirland (both Elector Counts are at 5/10 with us) and the Grand Theogonist. I think we should meet up with Leitdorf (Averland) and discuss the current contract.
Experiences and opinions about the weapons we sent him.
His own input in regards to a continuation of the contract.
Sharing of information about the Orks on both sides. (Freddy has rather unique contacts with the dwarfs, so that helps)
Discussing a canceling or adaption of the contract to new developments and needs.
These would be my suggestions.
Stirland (The Province not the Count) has more of an opinion in regards to Arthur than Frederick. They don't actually like Freddy, because of our dealings with the Halflings.
Something marginal I found while reading up on a few posts regarding the characters:
Should be 'Reiksmarshal' and 'Armies'.
On a different note: Does anyone remember what the Blue Steel Concordant is? I completely forgot where this was mentioned.
The Elector's Meet. Things have been going well so far. We got some politicking done and had our traditional day of fun in Nuln.
But I must confess I'm a bit annoyed.
Approaching the Countess of Wissenland to shore up relations between the North and South further.
We just met with the Countess and while it was a productive personal meeting, the same can certainly not be said for the political side of things. I think we could have done more to mend some bridges, be it more trade or giving military advise in regards to the Skaven threat. There was certainly more potential.
Shrugs It's water under the bridge.
We still got three days to go, not counting the current one with Myrmidia, so it's relatively easy to decide upon a few things.
I would advise to meet up with Ortrud and Stephan to get our stories straight on the Beastmen purge in Ostland, Laurelorn and Albion. In addition we might as well discuss what we imagine the coming Empire wide trade agreement to look like. Yes, Magnus is working on it, but we have our own political and economical needs. Especially Nordland. Maybe ask whether they have already met with Magnus?
It would also be good to catch up a bit, since we never bothered to meet with them before an Elector's Meet.
Two days to go and it gets a bit harder.
A meeting with Magnus to give a more private apology, discuss the religious tensions and what we did in response? Further things that could be done on our side and, obviously, information about the things that happened in Laurelorn, Athel Lauren (only Freddy was really there), Albion (if Ortrud and Stephan weren't able to inform him yet) and the Beastmen purge.
One could argue that Stephan and Ortrud are able to give the same information, but Magnus values Freddy's input and opinion on things. Not to mention that there is a difference to having been there and having heard about it.
Last day...
I'm torn between Averland, Stirland (both Elector Counts are at 5/10 with us) and the Grand Theogonist. I think we should meet up with Leitdorf (Averland) and discuss the current contract.
Experiences and opinions about the weapons we sent him.
His own input in regards to a continuation of the contract.
Sharing of information about the Orks on both sides. (Freddy has rather unique contacts with the dwarfs, so that helps)
Discussing a canceling or adaption of the contract to new developments and needs.
These would be my suggestions.
Stirland (The Province not the Count) has more of an opinion in regards to Arthur than Frederick. They don't actually like Freddy, because of our dealings with the Halflings.
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Finally Back! Had the time to catch up with the story and reread a few things. Glad to see that our electoral meetings, while more political, are still as hairbrained as ever.
Something marginal I found while reading up on a few posts regarding the characters:
Should be 'Reiksmarshal' and 'Armies'.
On a different note: Does anyone remember what the Blue Steel Concordant is? I completely forgot where this was mentioned.
The Elector's Meet. Things have been going well so far. We got some politicking done and had our traditional day of fun in Nuln.
But I must confess I'm a bit annoyed.
Approaching the Countess of Wissenland to shore up relations between the North and South further.
We just met with the Countess and while it was a productive personal meeting, the same can certainly not be said for the political side of things. I think we could have done more to mend some bridges, be it more trade or giving military advise in regards to the Skaven threat, there was certainly more potential.
Shrugs It's water under the bridge.
We still got three days to go, not counting the current one with Myrmidia, so it's relatively easy to decide upon a few things.
I would advise to meet up with Ortrud and Stephan to get our stories straight on the Beastmen purge in Ostland, Laurelorn and Albion. In addition we might as well discuss what we imagine the coming Empire wide trade agreement to look like. Yes, Magnus is working on it, but we have our own political and economical needs. Especially Nordland. Maybe ask whether they have already met with Magnus?
It would also be good to catch up a bit, since we never bothered to meet with them before an Elector's Meet.
Two days to go and it gets a bit harder.
A meeting with Magnus to give a more private apology, discuss the religious tensions and what we did in response? Further things that could be done on our side and, obviously, information about the things that happened in Laurelorn, Athel Lauren (only Freddy was really there), Albion (if Ortrud and Stephan weren't able to inform him yet) and the Beastmen purge.
One could argue that Stephan and Ortrud are able to give the same information, but Magnus values Freddy's input and opinion on things. Not to mention that there is a difference to having been there and having heard about it.
Last day...
I'm torn between Averland, Stirland (both Elector Counts are at 5/10 with us) and the Grand Theogonist. I think we should meet up with Leitdorf (Averland) and discuss the current contract.
Experiences and opinions about the weapons we sent him.
His own input in regards to a continuation of the contract.
Sharing of information about the Orks on both sides. (Freddy has rather unique contacts with the dwarfs, so that helps)
Discussing a canceling or adaption of the contract to new developments and needs.
These would be my suggestions.
Stirland (The Province not the Count) has more of an opinion in regards to Arthur than Frederick. They don't actually like Freddy, because of our dealings with the Halflings.
The overview.
The minutiae.
For Wissenland's Coutness, the players got the best end of the deal against a diplo specialist. There were also issues with trade (Those being that Wissenland's Countess being new does not have a strong grip on the economy as Freddy does. No engineer control, no intertwined grip on a industry. Hard to get a trade going when one side cannot give something of believed value). The players could have tried for the benefits package like with Reikland, but Freddy would be put up against a high diplo character, not recommended. As for military alliance stuff, Wissenland's countess has issues with not being a martial countess. There could be problems there, distance being only one issue, Freddy possibly needing to be on site to help give martial advice could be another problem. If the main goal is to try and communicate with another Elector Count, the players succeeded.
Stephan and Ortrud, the players might be able to skip going over things with them. They've had Trident Meetings, but nothing we've seen... Point, that it seems possible to do that. I would rather drop them and Magnus for talking with the Cult of Sigmar, Hochland, and Stirland.
Magnus the Pious. He is a busy emperor. Right now we know he's got stuff going on. He's going over the New Starbrook package, he's dealing with the issues he wants to bring up in the EM (premptive strike on the greenskins I think), and probably a bunch of other stuff Freddy does not know about. In comparison, Freddy's stories don't seem important to waste any of the emperor's valuable time.
I got my heart set on Hochland's representative. Try and bring Hochland into a closer diplomatic relationship with Ostland, or at least improve Hochland's soldiers so Hochland can take care of the threats that might be hiding in Hochland, or simply crossing through Hochland. Such as the time at Sabine's wedding. They are Ostland's weak neighbour, that Ostland can help improve.
The Cult of Sigmar. Freddy's position here is well, kinda, problematic. I'd like Freddy to get talked to on that at least, and see the options for borrowing money from the Cult of Sigmar. I do want to know what they would offer, and what they expect Freddy to repay them with.
Stirland, I hope to get some genetically engineered dogs for vampire fighting/dectection from Stirland. Or even dogs that can fight beastmen, dog to beast. Bringing up buying dogs with certain traits is possible to bring up to Ava.
Edit: Question for Torroar, did Oskana get a witness testimony for the Ostland Manse attack? Is she still alive, I don't remember her getting a scene recently?
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Understandable and something I would be agreeable to, considering our interactions with the Cult of Manaan.
This sounds nice on paper, but is much less important than any follow up meeting/discussion we could have with Averland. Nevermind adjusting the Averland treaty we have right now, it might turn out that they simply don't need more weapons, which gives us another research action.
The doggos are not nearly as helpful.
I'd be agreeable, if the person we talk to actually has any weight in Hochland. Simply giving them money and hoping for them to improve us certainky not going to work.
The way I see it, Hochland is very likely to suffer a similar fate to what happened during the Battle of Three Armies. They won't be targeted, but simply overrun. Depending on how bad it gets, Hochland might face a similar fate to Solland.
The argument that Magnus has no time falls flat. Whether he has time or not will be decided by rolls and importance of the meeting. If he doesn't then we can just pick the second option. That's why we always take three for every day.
Saying that Frederick's experiences and opinions don't compare is first of all not something any of us can accurately assess (dice) and second has already been proven wrong when he called up Freddy during the Purge of Sylvania.
It's not about stories, it's about giving him information, so that he us able to prepare, if the matter is mentioned during the meeting or afterwards by other foreign representatives.
Dismissing it out of hand is... inadvisable.
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1. Cult of Manann. Nice to know.
2. Stirland - We know there have been vampires in Ostland. We cannot take the intrigue action chain that likely leads to dealing with those vampires, because it's linked to Middenland. Stirland are likely vampire specialists, or have unique tricks on dealing with vampires, because Sylvania. Going to Ava for dogs hits speaking to another elector count, the elector count able to do something relevant for the wider empire, and improves Ostland's defences against vampires. There is value in going to Stirland for dogs. Do you have an alternative solution to improve Ostland's capabilities against vampires, something to make speaking with Stirland irrelevant?
3.Hochland -Here's the write-in "--[] Speak with General Briggs of Hochland about some organized military drills with Ostland outside of Hochland (inside Ostland land, or work with the trident in full for a military drill), perhaps get Hochland's military more drilled. Or if General Briggs would like Ostland could work with Hochland's military inside Hochland.
---[] Also inform Briggs about the possibility of vampires located in Hochland Freddy learned about on the river."
Write-in is doable, QM approved.
4. Magnus the Pious - The argument does not fall flat. Albion is sealed off. The elves of Laurelorn do not want to involve Magnus or the rest of the empire, other than the elector coutns they wanted to involve. A case can be made for the events inside Athel Lauren, yet that too is not relevant to the empire's concerns right now. Athel Lauren is far away.
The other reason it doesn't fall flat is because of something you are missing, Freddy can meet with the person requested from a dice roll. The person requested can actually not know why Freddy is requesting the meeting. Magnus can agree to meet with Freddy, and not know what Freddy wants to discuss. Fredddy can waste the emperor's valuable time.
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Because we just want to have story time with Magnus, right? It's not like we don't have brewing religious issues with the Cult of Taal right?
You can't just…declare why people want to do something, especially when it's been pushed by so many different people. I know you've read the arguments, so why do you keep doing this shit?
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Because it's not all in one nice corner. And not everyone reads the whole comments. Or has photographic memory, that allows them to know everything, even stuff they would rather ignore/forget.
I see "Magnus's time can be wasted up because Freddy brought a redundant issue to emperor Magnus". Do you acknowledge I say that?
Then I get told "We have a legitimate concern, why are you ignoring all these issues brought forwards? Like the much valued Cult of Taal problem that must be important for the emperor?"
Because the Taal issue is not important enough to take up Magnus's time. In comparison to the skaven beneath Nuln, the immediate issues Magnus wants to bring up at the EM, the Starbrook Trade package oversight, and now Ostland's Manse. I seemingly have no point in stating that "Freddy's stories don't seem important to waste any of the emperor's valuable time", when the tales of what Freddy has done, or been involved in, were what the post was discussing.
Here, something torroar said in a reasonable stance that I took to mean neither confirms or denys the seed drills as a discussion topic. By saying that both views are plausible.
Edit: Maybe my problem is I haven't been specific on my stance? Just because I don't want to talk to Magnus before the EM during the eight days, and never recently said anything about speaking to Magnus at the EM proper.
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The problem with that is that we lose much of our agency during the meet proper and cannot have private conversations. We can bring up issues in the meet and vote on brought up topics but having a chat with the emperor during it means everyone hears what we are talking about and can chime in.
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Personally, I don't think talking to Magnus is as important as maybe talking to Grand Theogonist in the hopes of maybe helping to get both him and Magda to an amicable (or at least peaceful) conclusion with regards to the witch hunter issue.
BUT. That's not to say I'm opposed to meeting Magnus. If we end up informing Magnus on something he hadn't been aware of and it ends up helping him or the empire then good.
But if not, well, maybe we can take a minute to just talk. Not about the empire, or the provinces, or elector counts, or greenies, and dwarves, and chaos and elves. Just regular talk between friends.
Sigmar knows Magnus could use a break.
BUT. That's not to say I'm opposed to meeting Magnus. If we end up informing Magnus on something he hadn't been aware of and it ends up helping him or the empire then good.
But if not, well, maybe we can take a minute to just talk. Not about the empire, or the provinces, or elector counts, or greenies, and dwarves, and chaos and elves. Just regular talk between friends.
Sigmar knows Magnus could use a break.
Frankly it's not our place to talk with the Grand Theogonist about witch hunters, yeah, we caused the issue, but all we did was show the underlying faults. This isn't our boat anymore and it is hubris to assume that we can fix it. This sin't about us anymore, it's about how one Religion which has waaxed in power is pushing around the others.
now us getting to Magnus about the schism we might be about to make? That's totally something we can and should do so he knows what is going on and can give good council.
So we are supposed to talk about the schism we might make but not the active religious spat we started?
Edit: Like, the situations are exactly the same, why should we care about the internal maybe shism of ryha and thaal that we may cause and not the very really shism between the witch hunter and the wider religious community. I don't get that logic.
I'm not saying we can or should solve the witch unter issue totally on our own but talking to the man is. Not going to hurt us...
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