- Location
- Watchung,New Jersey
Hoover Administration: 7-8 out of 10, given the situation they did the best they could and may be able to turn the Civil War into abit of hyperbole for a serious of serious isolated insurrections.
The Second Reconstruction-A Post-Civil War Kaiserreich USA Quest
- Thread starter Jeeshadow
- Start date
- Location
- USA
Without knowing the exact margins, I presume that the strong showing for the coalition upstate would have given us a somewhat narrower win anyways in NY. Outside of the South, it's hard to cheat that hard in elections and Tammany Hall's influence would be reduced from fighting for its life against the SPA the past decade. I am guessing vaguely that the actual result was closer to a tie in a hypothetical universe where everything was fair than the slight win we got from NYC but I doubt it made a difference in the Electoral College.
As for Hoover, I'm calling it a 2.5/10. Remember that Hoover vetoed the first Wagner bill in this timeline. He has at least turned from his passivity in the last year towards a genuinely energetic effort to prevent the country from collapsing and ensured a stable transition in the executive at least so I'll definitely put him above Buchanan, but one pretty good year at the end doesn't make up for three of general neglect and continued spiraling.
As for Hoover, I'm calling it a 2.5/10. Remember that Hoover vetoed the first Wagner bill in this timeline. He has at least turned from his passivity in the last year towards a genuinely energetic effort to prevent the country from collapsing and ensured a stable transition in the executive at least so I'll definitely put him above Buchanan, but one pretty good year at the end doesn't make up for three of general neglect and continued spiraling.
Ghostdevil
The Devil of Ghosts
- Location
- United States
I'd give the pre quest Lizard man Hoover 1/10
But when quest took over, and the real Hoover could finally start actually doing stuff like he would do in real life 8-9/10
But when quest took over, and the real Hoover could finally start actually doing stuff like he would do in real life 8-9/10
- Location
- New York
Option 1 is the very high risk, high reward option. Talks with Reed can potentially prevent a socialist uprising and take the most dangerous faction off the battlefield. The talks failing or dragging out too long with could result in the loss of moderate support or a military coup. A MacArthur coup would fracture the Federal government between the pro-MacArthur faction and the civilian faction which would greatly worsen the Civil War and leave us dealing with the deeply damaging effects of a military coup on U.S. politics.
Option 2 is the option to burn all goodwill with the unions and getting thousands of southern strikebreakers attacked by militant socialist groups which will tank our credibility with both Long's supporters and many moderates.
Option 3 is the moderate option trying to undermine Reed's powerbase and win back less radical unions from the socialists. This is the least inflammatory option and has a reasonable chance of success. However, we may have a hard time passing this agenda and it could be regarded as too little, too late by radicals.
Option 4 is a bad option. While Long's supporters and moderate conservatives might like the idea, this option would burn all goodwill with the unions, alienate center-left moderates, and the government does not have the power to crush the strike anyway.
Better than James Buchanan's but that is faint praise. Last year efforts and policy reversal will not save Hoover's reputation. Once, Hoover was a hero who helped feed millions of Europeans suffering from the effects of WW1 and the Russian Civil War. Soon, Hoover can help us feed millions of Americans suffering from the effects of a Second American Civil War partly caused by his previous inattention.
It was shite, m8.
- Location
- NY
He tried his best
What does the legislature look like? Does our character know our odds of getting all of this to pass in time with our coalition? What about with votes from independents or other parties? The SPA could vote against it to hurt us.
- Location
- US
- Pronouns
- He/They
If a legislative option is chosen, it'll be highlighted the various factions and such.
If Olson can recreate the coaliton that he started with/that passed Garner-wagner, there is a good chance a major bill could pass congress. The three "non radical" parties still have a sizable majority in both houses when united. But like progressives and leadership couldn't get something major passed on their own.
Ghostdevil
The Devil of Ghosts
- Location
- United States
>started with
Well thats not happening, we alienated our right wing and split off our further right wing.
I believe Option 2 is the option that would please the right of center. While this could also please them, Option 4 is to show we are a decisive and strong President. I do not know how @Jeeshadow determines the results. Option 4 is my least favorite option but I think it is also a high reward high risk option. In the best case, it stabilizes the country and restores faith in the system. In the worst case it could start the civil war.
Do we have an idea on how the AFP would vote for this? I do not know what kind of things the center or right of center in an alternate history 1930s USA want. I do not know what compromises the players would be in favor of making with them. We are not going to do anything that will compromise our ability to undermine the SPA. The first thing that comes to mind is pork barrel spending as a way to buy their votes and stimulate the economy.
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- Location
- Fort Worth, TX
[X] Not open direct talks with the CSA but instead seek to end the strike but legalizing labor unions, implementing the Fair Deal, and establishing unemployment insurance to make the strike unnecessary.
- Location
- Moon Base
Let's just say that William Henry Harrison has at least a good excuse on why he was ranked poorly.
[X] Refuse to deal with the strikers and instead take a hardline and bring it to an end, no matter the costs.
- Location
- alphen aan den rijn
[X] Not open direct talks with the CSA but instead seek to end the strike but legalizing labor unions, implementing the Fair Deal, and establishing unemployment insurance to make the strike unnecessary.
Vote closed
We are about to find out next update. I would rather curry favor with the center and if necessary, the center of right than SPA or AFP.
What a rat. If there is going to be martial law, it will be by the will of Olson, the lawful commander-in-chief of the U.S Armed Forces and militia.
How's it going @Jeeshadow
Fair Deal and Labor Relations Act
- Location
- US
- Pronouns
- He/They
100 Days to Save the Nation
The 31st President of the United States
Much to his credit, Olson refused to deviate from his campaign promises. Instead his inaugural address was full of promises to deliver the Fair Deal and establish a fairer relationship between labor and capital. The inaugural address was generally well received. While it was now clear what Olson intended to do, actually accomplishing it would be a much more difficult task.
The strike certainly put a sense of urgency on Washington as Congress set to work in one of its most active periods in its history. The first few months of the Olson Administration would see Congress churn out major legislation after major legislation covering all scopes of American life. Glass-Steagall would regulate and insure banking, ensuring the multiple bank rushes that had plagued America would not happen again. The stock market would now be regulated by a Security and Exchange Commission. A series of bills would authorize a huge slate of public works projects across the country, a far more ambitious task than McAdoo or Hoover had ever engaged in. Funds were also allocated to the states to create public housing to lessen the need for "Hoovervilles". Perhaps most ambitious was the establishment of social insurance in the form of the Social Security program which protected the old, made the Garner-Warner benefits more substantial and permanent, and also created welfare benefits to aid those who couldn't afford healthcare. The cornerstone of the American social welfare state had been laid.
Yet none of these did much to address the strike and the fact that capital and labor were all but at war. To address this, Senator Wagner authored the National Labor Relations Act. The act was ambitious and truly attempted to be the pro-labor legislation that Olson had promised in the campaign. It recognized the right to collective bargaining and allowed the formation of legal unions, but it went even further, banning several major strike breaking tactics. It also established a National Labor Relations Board whose job was to establish and enforce the rules that would allow the formation of unions, prevent abuses of worker protection laws, negotiate an end to strikes between employers and their employees, and most controversially "enact regulations to encourage the formation of peaceful and representative unions". Simply put, the Act didn't just legalize unions, it was intended to encourage their formation.
Cactus Jack or the man who threatened to bring it all down
It was at this point the much strained right flank of the Olson coalition finally gave way. When he saw Wagner's proposed law, John Nance Garner was not a happy man and demanded to speak to the President. He would be willing to swallow a weaker law somewhat recognizing unions, considering the crippling effects of the New Years Day Strike, but Wagner had simply gone too far. Yet Olson was unwilling, and unable, to water the bill down and Garner would leave in anger, vowing to kill the bill in the House. For the first time the Fair Deal was on the verge of collapse and with it Olson's hopes of peacefully ending the strike. Yet Olson was certainly not alone and had strong support still in Congress. His cabinet, even including more moderate and conservatives figures like Commerce Secretary Alf Landon or Secretary of War Stinson, remained loyal and committed to the President's aims. Working with friends in Congress, within several weeks the Cabinet had assembled a long list of potential allies in the battle to pass the NLRA and the costs it would take to get their support.
There is a variety of factions you can attempt to court in order to bypass Garner and get the NLRA across the finish line. Vote will be 48 hours as it is important and also I won't have time to write anything tomorrow. Be warned, some offers may not go well together. Some will sink the entire agenda. I also urge you to reach out beyond Olson's traditional base of support. But the more deals you make, the more likely the Bill will pass.
Socialists:
[] [CSA] Grant legal authority to the workers councils that have been organized
[] [CSA] Offer no deal to Reed
Civil Rights Liberals:
[] [SOCIAL] Back Federal Anti-Lynching Legislation
[] [SOCIAL] Offer no deal to Civil Rights Liberals
Free Trade Supporters:
[] [TARIFF] Repeal Smoot-Hawley
[] [TARIFF] Offer no deal to supporters of Free Trade
Prohibitionists:
[] [DRINK] Federal Tax on Trade and Sale of Alcohol
[] [DRINK] Offer no deal to supporters of Prohibition in Congress
Market Liberals:
[] [BANK] Further and more comprehensive business bailouts
[] [BANK] Offer no deal to market liberals and the business leaders that support them
Western Representatives:
[] [FARM] Federal Farm Relief
[] [FARM] Offer no deal to representatives of struggling Farmers
Texan Business Interests:
[] [OIL] Push Congress to enact Federal Oil Subsidies
[] [OIL] Offer no deal to Texan oil men, it is to risky to try to undercut Garner's support
Undecideds:
[] [GRAFT] Prioritize Fair Deal public works funds to their districts
[] [GRAFT] Offer no deals to undecided representatives, avoiding dirtying our hands
Byrd and Southern Democrats:
[] [RACISM] Segregate access to Fair Deal Programs
[] [RACISM] Offer no deal to Byrd and his allies
Longists:
[] [LONG] Implement a flat Wealth Cap
[] [LONG] Offer no deal to Long
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This seem like a good combination
Socialists:
[] [CSA] Grant legal authority to the workers councils that have been organized
Civil Rights Liberals:
[] [SOCIAL] Back Federal Anti-Lynching Legislation
Free Trade Supporters:
[] [TARIFF] Repeal Smoot-Hawley
Prohibitionists:
[] [DRINK] Federal Tax on Trade and Sale of Alcohol
Market Liberals:
[] [BANK] Offer no deal to market liberals and the business leaders that support them
Western Representatives:
[] [FARM] Federal Farm Relief
Texan Business Interests:
[] [OIL] Offer no deal to Texan oil men, it is to risky to try to undercut Garner's support
Undecideds:
[] [GRAFT] Prioritize Fair Deal public works funds to their districts
Byrd and Southern Democrats:
[] [RACISM] Offer no deal to Byrd and his allies
Longists:
[] [LONG] Implement a flat Wealth Cap
This seem like a good combination
Socialists:
[] [CSA] Grant legal authority to the workers councils that have been organized
Civil Rights Liberals:
[] [SOCIAL] Back Federal Anti-Lynching Legislation
Free Trade Supporters:
[] [TARIFF] Repeal Smoot-Hawley
Prohibitionists:
[] [DRINK] Federal Tax on Trade and Sale of Alcohol
Market Liberals:
[] [BANK] Offer no deal to market liberals and the business leaders that support them
Western Representatives:
[] [FARM] Federal Farm Relief
Texan Business Interests:
[] [OIL] Offer no deal to Texan oil men, it is to risky to try to undercut Garner's support
Undecideds:
[] [GRAFT] Prioritize Fair Deal public works funds to their districts
Byrd and Southern Democrats:
[] [RACISM] Offer no deal to Byrd and his allies
Longists:
[] [LONG] Implement a flat Wealth Cap