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Alpha strike with what? They have a number of ships comparable to our explorer corps in size and identical to our designs. They have a population that is less than a fortieth of our standing army.

I suppose they could go full Kim and drop nukes, but that would kill them just as surely, given they can't cripple our fleet.

Would it kill them? I've been thinking about it - they have violated a treaty, they have spied on us, they have stolen our Frigate design, etc. They have to know that if they get caught at this kind of thing it could provoke an unwinnable war. So why risk it?

I'm wondering if they have an out. We know that there are other relays in our cluster - do they perhaps know where one is, and intend to use it as an emergency escape route?
 
The Opposition
Omake - The Opposition

"...An so it is with great regret that I must inform the Assembly that my party wishes to oppose the Prime Minister and limit her power as the Prime Minister. We, The United Opposition to the Prime Minister, will take the powers due to us so that we can keep the Prime Ministers ambitions and excesses in check!"

*Thunderous Applause erupts from the Assembly*

A room bereft of most Councilors as only 57 Councilors. The 57 Councilors also happened to not be married versus the rest of the Assembly. But it was still quite a party and one that openly presented arguments to limit the power of the Prime Minister.

*Weeks Later*

The Assembly upon meeting again found the Secessionist limited and broken. A party with little will and resolve that hung on by just sitting down. Most of those who were once proud hardcore members announced their intentions to not seek another term while the rest declined to comment. But in there place the bigger and more rambunctious Opposition members who called for a vote to take the power of the purse. Led by the Party Speaker and Leader Thane Paine the Vosk.

Paine was a metalworker and ex-nonunion worker during the previous administration. Paine critiziced Mira calling her a 'Tyrant Elected by Palace Intrigue and Guns' and her appointment of Tamara Kirai calling the Secretary 'A corporate shill who has never earned a credit through honest work. She is a friend to embezzlers and corporatist. She is the enabler of anathema to the functioning and transparent Government.'.

The accusations, however, have not gone well as the Secretary fired back calling for the restraint to Paine's 'baseless accusations'. The war of words is not, however 'on' but is a possible volatile issue in the future. Paine's second in command is Tamara Jevverson an Asarian Matriarch with a history of activism and public service. She served as a member of the moderates in the old Corporate Congress. Her constituency seems to be the old battered political machine of the Corporate Congress...or really what's left of it. There are those that remembered Jevverson's brave one person stand against the old Regime and calls for Government-wide anti-corruption campaigns. But one Lady Kirai also knows her ruthlessness to use Government institutions to protect herself and her constituency from scrutiny while destroying her enemies and even friends in order to take what they left behind.

However, the Opposition is both supremely united and dysfunctional. Other than the empowerment of the Assembly at the expense of the Prime Minister the party is unable to answer the questions for how to win the war against the Rachni, Lysenthri's Tariffs, Employment, or infrastructural questions. Only time will tell of the UOPM can truly unite under a firebrand and a veteran political operator. Will the Prime Minister destroy the party just like the secessionist? Will another party rise to challenge them?



@PoptartProdigy

Here ya go Poptart. Villains!

Next i'll make a love story with Kirai. Actually does Kirai have a husband/wife/significant other?
 
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I fully expect the Lystheni to have vengeance weapons/contingencies in place, just to spite the people that are coming for them according to the voices in their heads. As such I really want an undeclared lightning assault on all Lystheni holdings. Anything to prevent their segmented society from coordinating against us in time.

[X] Plan Overlord
-[X] Integrating Reforms
-[X] Backstab
-[X] Lystheni (Casus Belli)
-[X] Knowledge Exchange
-[X] Colony Equipment
-[X] Administrative Overclocking
-[X] The Best Way To Deal With Pickpockets...
-[X] Board of Shareholders
-[X] Barrier Miniaturization
-[X] Quarian Tech Adoption
-[X] Personal Attention (Integrating Reforms)
-[X] Personal Attention (Knowledge Exchange)
-[X] The Prime Minister Is Coming Here?


EDIT: Actually the Trade Sanction will warn them too. What should I exchange that with?
 
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I'm wondering if they have an out. We know that there are other relays in our cluster - do they perhaps know where one is, and intend to use it as an emergency escape route?
There aren't. I quote:
I am still deciding how many secondaries all of your owned clusters have. I know Sentry Omega has zero. The others are uncertain. Since I hate retcons and feel annoyed with myself for rendering this one necessary, I'll go ahead and grant that you have naval dominance over all of your secondaries and the 1st Raiding can cover them in its patrol pattern acceptably. This will probably mean they're shitty and small secondary-attached clusters since I have limits, but they will be secure, shitty, and small secondary-attached clusters.
There's a reason for our naval deployments.
Omake - The Opposition
:V

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I fully expect the Lystheni to have vengeance weapons/contingencies in place, just to spite the people that are coming for them according to the voices in their heads. As such I really want an undeclared lightning assault on all Lystheni holdings. Anything to prevent their segmented society from coordinating against us in time.
They are not Rachni.
They are not a hivemind, unless they've been controlled by Reapertech or Thorians. Asking them to suicide on the orders of the government is something of a tall order for a salarian dalatrass.

I worry about it myself, mind. But unless someone is throwing around worldkillers, I don't think they're that nuts. And again, ten million people max. That's a pretty small manpower base to draw on, and they have none of the universities and the like that First World nations take for granted. There's a reason they stole military designs instead of making their own, and the ones they made suck.

Caution is fine, but demonising the opposition is not a good idea.
 
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1) 2 Quarian dreads survived Resurgent Grace.
2)We have early warning sensors on the border. We invested a ton of money in signal intelligence, and started doing so from First Contact. There is no margin in escalating shit for the sake of escalation.
3) To give you some idea of the involved tonnage, when we lolstomped the light cruisers and screen remaining in Attican Beta?
This force?

That was a larger force than the Lystheni currently have, and it was staffed by fulltime Rachni soldiers, not part-time Lystheni militia.
4) Run where? Where exactly are they supposed to base out of in Sentry Omega?
1 we only took the disabled ships, ships with life signs and ships that got hulked like the other dreadnought we destroyed.

2 A fleet on there border could also tell us if they are launching there fleet. Or if they are sending ships to our territory easier while the listening posts can inform us if they try to go around.

3 they don't need tonnage if they plan only has them drop dirty bombs they only got to get into orbit. I know we win in a straight fight and so do they. So their best option is something that takes us out quick. Also conveniently they have trained a lot of thier population to run ships. Not well but they can.

4 we have not explored the cluster fully we also don't know how far the they have gone or what they have found. Something to consider is that when opened free movement it was not as successful as we thought because of lack of ships. Where did those ships go?
 
@PoptartProdigy if we do Casus Belli, how much of a warning will the Lystheni have before our ships are bombarding them? Also will significant numbers of our people get caught in the cross-fire if we don't do Trade Sanctions?
 
they don't need tonnage if they plan only has them drop dirty bombs they only got to get into orbit. I know we win in a straight fight and so do they. So their best option is something that takes us out quick. Also conveniently they have trained a lot of thier population to run ships. Not well but they can.
Yes, but what would this accomplish? Really? They can only hit Virmire, which is absolutely stupid, because if they do, we hit back with our fleet. Or the rachni come through, or...
 
Yes, but what would this accomplish? Really? They can only hit Virmire, which is absolutely stupid, because if they do, we hit back with our fleet. Or the rachni come through, or...
Or they run away and hide after killing us and keeping thier existence a secret from the council. I mean we are part of the council. We aren't a independent colony.
 
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@PoptartProdigy would it be possible next turn to get an action to look into improving and reforming the army in some way? Since the marines aren't fitted out for extended planetary combat operations and the fact we don't know what our current non-rachni opponent has in terms of ground combat options. Also I think in any ground operations that the army may get cut up fairly bad and we also probably have limited military transports to move our troops we could do it with our warships but it would probably stress there life support or merchantmen but they would tie up a number of escorts and probably don't have the speed to outrun a warship.
Yes, but as the unemployment crisis option notes, Mira can't really responsibly consider making any moves on the army front when the navy still have literally anything that needs doing.
Could also go to the Rachni Home Cluster or worse.
Secondaries give you a heading before you jump, so that at least is not a risk.
[X]Plan Nutcracker

Personally, I would have preferred Impending Crisis or Economic Review over Administrative Overclocking, as this set of economic issues is a bit of a perfect storm in the making, but I can deal. If nothing else, Administrative Overclocking will help accomplish those actions in the future anyway.
Well, we do have approval voting, so if you like, you can make plans to that effect yourself, and vote for them in addition to Nutcracker!
Yeah no the Quarians have one dreadnought and we have seen that small ships can outrun or deny larger ships. We did it against the Ranchi. Just because we could beet them in combat does not mean that they will not try to do something. I have dealt with paranoid schizophrenia patients and they are unpredictable.
Two dreadnoughts. Given that the hulked dreadnought was not reduced to space dust, you considered it to be worth repairing.
Would it kill them? I've been thinking about it - they have violated a treaty, they have spied on us, they have stolen our Frigate design, etc. They have to know that if they get caught at this kind of thing it could provoke an unwinnable war. So why risk it?

I'm wondering if they have an out. We know that there are other relays in our cluster - do they perhaps know where one is, and intend to use it as an emergency escape route?
You do know that there are other relays. Unless Sentry Omega is completely unique, all of them are the ones in Hoc. Also: no secondaries means no active secondaries within range. You have a secondary relay at all.
Omake - The Opposition

"...An so it is with great regret that I must inform the Assembly that my party wishes to oppose the Prime Minister and limit her power as the Prime Minister. We, The United Opposition to the Prime Minister, will take the powers due to us so that we can keep the Prime Ministers ambitions and excesses in check!"

*Thunderous Applause erupts from the Assembly*

A room bereft of most Councilors as only 57 Councilors. The 57 Councilors also happened to not be married versus the rest of the Assembly. But it was still quite a party and one that openly presented arguments to limit the power of the Prime Minister.

*Weeks Later*

The Assembly upon meeting again found the Secessionist limited and broken. A party with little will and resolve that hung on by just sitting down. Most of those who were once proud hardcore members announced their intentions to not seek another term while the rest declined to comment. But in there place the bigger and more rambunctious Opposition members who called for a vote to take the power of the purse. Led by the Party Speaker and Leader Thane Paine the Vosk.

Paine was a metalworker and ex-nonunion worker during the previous administration. Paine critiziced Mira calling her a 'Tyrant Elected by Palace Intrigue and Guns' and her appointment of Tamara Kirai calling the Secretary 'A corporate shill who has never earned a credit through honest work. She is a friend to embezzlers and corporatist. She is the enabler of anathema to the functioning and transparent Government.'.

The accusations, however, have not gone well as the Secretary fired back calling for the restraint to Paine's 'baseless accusations'. The war of words is not, however 'on' but is a possible volatile issue in the future. Paine's second in command is Tamara Jevverson an Asarian Matriarch with a history of activism and public service. She served as a member of the moderates in the old Corporate Congress. Her constituency seems to be the old battered political machine of the Corporate Congress...or really what's left of it. There are those that remembered Jevverson's brave one person stand against the old Regime and calls for Government-wide anti-corruption campaigns. But one Lady Kirai also knows her ruthlessness to use Government institutions to protect herself and her constituency from scrutiny while destroying her enemies and even friends in order to take what they left behind.

However, the Opposition is both supremely united and dysfunctional. Other than the empowerment of the Assembly at the expense of the Prime Minister the party is unable to answer the questions for how to win the war against the Rachni, Lysenthri's Tariffs, Employment, or infrastructural questions. Only time will tell of the UOPM can truly unite under a firebrand and a veteran political operator. Will the Prime Minister destroy the party just like the secessionist? Will another party rise to challenge them?



@PoptartProdigy

Here ya go Poptart. Villains!

Next i'll make a love story with Kirai. Actually does Kirai have a husband/wife/significant other?
Pffhahaha! It's everything I ever wanted! :D Have an apocrypha threadmark.

Kirai is presently unattached. You know that that was not previously the case, and she has children in Citadel space. For obvious reasons, Mira has presumed the subject to be sensitive, and refrained from mentioning it.
@PoptartProdigy if we do Casus Belli, how much of a warning will the Lystheni have before our ships are bombarding them? Also will significant numbers of our people get caught in the cross-fire if we don't do Trade Sanctions?
Depends. Given FTL comms, the Lystheni will know immediately of your decision to declare on them, in addition to their likely forewarning from the close of trade and your naval maneuvers. Your fleet will already be on their borders and ready to go. When you declare, you'll have the sub-vote to go immediately, let the ambassador and staff clear your space first, or let them re-enter Lystheni space first. Respectively, that will give them explicit warning of: none, a little more than a day, and about a week.
 
3 they don't need tonnage if they plan only has them drop dirty bombs they only got to get into orbit. I know we win in a straight fight and so do they. So their best option is something that takes us out quick. Also conveniently they have trained a lot of thier population to run ships. Not well but they can.
And how the hell will they do that?
Why would they do that?
Even if they could kill every single person on Virmire that would leave several military fleets, all looking for revenge for their dead families.
In less than a year there wouldn't be any Lystheni.
 
1 we only took the disabled ships, ships with life signs and ships that got hulked like the other dreadnought we destroyed.
1)We took them all dude. It was quicker to grab hulks than to cut into them and search for survivors.
What we nuked was wreckage.
Battlecruisers, bearing the scars of countless hits, take long chains of cruisers and the great, derelict dreadnought under tow. Cruisers shepherd frigates and corvettes to the relay. Before they go, they take the time to destroy everything, every little lifeless hulk floating in space, every scrap of floating debris you can find in the time you have. Then, you turn and make for the relay. It is an achingly slow course. It takes hours of carefully moving vast trains of warship through empty space, hideously vulnerable, constantly having to maneuver to dodge angry salvos from light-hours away as the Rachni grow increasingly frustrated and desperate, hoping to hit something, to make you truly pay for all you've done today, pay for a lost fleet, pay for the planet you razed-
Malan already moved to AB with the working dread.
So no, we have two Quarian dreads.

2) Dude, if I stand outside your house fence with a gun, I'll know when you come out.
I'm also likely to get you to come out with a gun yourself, possibly shooting. And even though we can beat them trivially, if we can avoid escalating to violence, it will pay future dividends.

We have sensors across this area of space; that's how we discovered the Lystheni even exist.
We have a dreadnought fleet backstopping our local defenses.

3) If they wanted to bomb you, they'd hijack a Virmirean merchant ship and smuggle a bunch of Tsar Bombas on it.
Or simply assemble one in the Embassy.

Then what? It is in no way a survivable strategy for the operative personally, or for their nation. And they are not Rachni.
I've cautioned people against demonizing the Lystheni. They are paranoid, secretive, antisocial as a polity. They are not suicidal.

4) You think they can move 10 million people faster than a battlecruiser fleet will run them down? Pull the other one.
I do some of the budgets, I know how much it's costing us to prepare to move 100 million colonists, and we are moving them to habitable worlds, not just running into the black.
 
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And how the hell will they do that?
Why would they do that?
Even if they could kill every single person on Virmire that would leave several military fleets, all looking for revenge for their dead families.
In less than a year there wouldn't be any Lystheni.
I think they have bought ships from the corporate heads and are going to flee after they strike. So that we die and they can hide from the galaxy and council. From cannon they hate other salarians and the salarians hate them. They want the council knowing nothing about them.
 
I think they have bought ships from the corporate heads and are going to flee after they strike. So that we die and they can hide from the galaxy and council. From cannon they hate other salarians and the salarians hate them. They want the council knowing nothing about them.
How will they hide, with no industry or food supplies, there's a limit to what they could manage, not to mentions i doubt any of our fleets would ever give up on finding and slaughtering them.
 
What is 3rd RWS composition, and are they running skeleton crews?
'Cos with 2 dreads in battle order their composition looks a bit top-heavy, considering their manpower.
 
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[X] Plan Overlord
-[X] Integrating Reforms
-[X] Backstab
-[X] Lystheni (Casus Belli)
-[X] Knowledge Exchange
-[X] Colony Equipment
-[X] Administrative Overclocking
-[X] The Best Way To Deal With Pickpockets...
-[X] Board of Shareholders
-[X] Barrier Miniaturization
-[X] Quarian Tech Adoption
-[X] Personal Attention (Integrating Reforms)
-[X] Personal Attention (Knowledge Exchange)
-[X] The Prime Minister Is Coming Here?
Changed Trade Sanctions to Casus Belli, with the intention of going immediately.
 
I think they have bought ships from the corporate heads and are going to flee after they strike. So that we die and they can hide from the galaxy and council. From cannon they hate other salarians and the salarians hate them. They want the council knowing nothing about them.

You think they are paranoid and homicidal enough to prepare to destroy us and run away, and you think they are trusting enough to buy ships from Virmirean corporations for this purpose? You think Virmirean corporations are slick enough to hide major ship sales from our Ministry of Intrigue or Ministry of Finance, or would risk it during a war?

You think anyone would be willing to stick out their necks for the Lystheni after everyone who does business with their agents characterizes them as rude and discourteous and stingy?

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What is 3rd RWS composition, and are they running skeleton crews?
'Cos with 2 dreads in battle order their composition looks a bit top-heavy, considering their manpower.
They aren't short on manpower. They have enough to fully man their remaining ships; they had excess, until we ran out of medicines.

The GM doesn't see the need to go into granular number of ships.
Assume they have the appropriate number for screening dreads.
 
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@uju32 they have no free time there whole life's seem to be working for something. Everything they do seems to be working for what there leaders are saying and doing. They are known for cybernetics, they have been doing some experiments that they are putting there whole population through, all resources seem to be focused by the state. They are a crazy communist neighbor who has broken a lot of treaties with us and are planning something that is most likely not good for us.

I believe they already have ships and most likely bought a Virmire trade ship. We have been trading with them for over a decade now. Most likely the corporate heads sold them ships.

I think they can move there population if they want. Or just more the Ones that are more important. The salarians only need the females and some males to restart somewhere else. I think they will try something stupid and leave.
 
What is 3rd RWS composition, and are they running skeleton crews?
'Cos with 2 dreads in battle order their composition looks a bit top-heavy, considering their manpower.
Actually a little bit bottom-heavy. The rachni focused on taking out the 3rd's dreadnoughts, although casualties were ruinous across the board.

As for crews, they're fine. Before the slim fail on Emergency Response, they had a bit of a surplus.
 
@uju32 they have no free time there whole life's seem to be working for something. Everything they do seems to be working for what there leaders are saying and doing. They are known for cybernetics, they have been doing some experiments that they are putting there whole population through, all resources seem to be focused by the state. They are a crazy communist neighbor who has broken a lot of treaties with us and are planning something that is most likely not good for us.
They have to have no free time in order to run whatever the hell it is they're running, build a secret pocket navy, and the thousand and one other things necessary to run a halfway functional nation-state with only ten million people.
It isn't necessary to posit an entire extra whole economy under everything that noone can see.

We know what the state of the art is two thousand years from now, and it does not involve magic powers suddenly making ten million people a superpower. So count me a skeptic. There are physical limits to what they can have running.
Even if they all got Reaperd.
I believe they already have ships and most likely bought a Virmire trade ship. We have been trading with them for over a decade now. Most likely the corporate heads sold them ships.
No evidence for any of this.
I think they can move there population if they want. Or just more the Ones that are more important. The salarians only need the females and some males to restart somewhere else. I think they will try something stupid and leave.
No evidence for any of this.
 
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