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Shepard Quest Mk VI, Technological Revolution
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Getting the Quarians into the SAs orbit might even be viewed favourably by the Citadel. Their problem is the claim jumping and wage dumping when they come to visit, perhaps some lingering resentment from unleashing the Geth on the galaxy, but the other two are cited as primary reasons.
If the SA had them join up as a Client (like the Volus to the Turians), we could prevent the claim jumping as it is simply unecessery for them. And the SA is more than big enough that ~20 million skilled engineers are liable to make only a minor impact on the entire economy in terms of potential unemployment.
So we make the 'sacrifice' to get the Migrant Fleet out of everyones hair, do some actual charity and in the end, get some pretty damn good engineers to give their expertise to the SA.
As for how we can do so?
We start with curing their immune deficiency so we get a foot into the door. Otherwise we'd just be another person that wants something from them, probably exploit them. But curing it for free? That gives us a lot of credit with the average Quarian.
Then we start talking employment. We want to start mining on a large scale anyway, and those guys have the experience. So we can be safe for pilgrimmages. At the same time we start talking with the SA government. Somewhere in SA territory, there ought to be a garden world with the wrong amino chirality for humans (which is right for Quarians).
Get the SA to offer the Quarians that system as a temporary haven until they reclaim their homeworld. In exchange, they pay some taxes and contribute to overall defence of the Alliance. As the average system has fucktons of resources, they should be busy for the forseeable future. Nevermind that they aren't living hand to mouth anymore, so they can forego pissing off everyone.
Human companies can then tap the skilled labour for all kinds of stuff. The Quarians can also sell off excess ships to get starting funds for their own industrial base. Considering how expensive ships can be, they have a lot of assets.
While there is still a chance that politicians dislike giving foreigners jobs, keep in mind that the SA is currently booming. Even in canon the poorest parts were getting uplifted, but now, some of our technology made it much easier. A few 40TW arc reactors can easily supply most of Africa while making drink water filtration trivial. Modular infrastructure makes modernization a non-issue and PIs growth should be generating a fuckton of jobs even if only as a knock-on effect across the economy (might be worth an interlude to show how the colonies are growing with all the money PI pours in).
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For goodness sake, we aren't a country we're a company. We probably don't qualify as Megacorp status yet.
We don't have the authority to dictate the diplomatic policies of the entire species.
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Is it bad that I don't care about the space Gypsies? Cause I think that they are more trouble then they are worth. The amount of effort it would take to make the Migrant Fleet useful is better spent building up the Alliance or expanding ParSec.
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So... If we have the chance do we play the dragon?
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Please do. If this can be a Shadowrun crossover as well before the first game would start that would be awesome.
If we are doing this we might want to consider selling more than the bare minimum of Arc Reactors in Citadel Space, we make about twice the profit of that as we do from any other product.
Honestly the Quarians are mostly dealing with the consequences of their ancestors awful decision making, there situation sucks. But they demonstrate in game that they haven't learnt jack by declaring war on the Geth, while the galaxy is being invaded by the Reapers.
Frankly they're a waste of resources to us in most time frames, unless we go out of our way to diplomatically solve the problem.
Depends either on how metaphorical or how transhumanist you want to go.
No. While their situation is lamentable they are as much the cause of it as they are the victim, and they are glad to blame others for their own mistakes.
The Migrant Fleet can be useful, but only if the quarians, as a species, pull their heads out of their asses. In nearly all circumstances improving the capabilities of the Alliance and ParSec, in that order, is far more likely to cause a positive result.
Make no mistake, the Migrant Fleet is actually considered one of the strongest militaries in the galaxy, and for good reasons. Even if they've got to lug all their civilians with them, it's still some 15 million people shoved in ships, all of which would by necessity be armed to one extent or another. Even the Turian Hierarchy is not eager to take them on, no matter how easy it would be to actually smash the Fleet, because they will take severe losses because of it.
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It's a Shadowrun joke. The biggest Megacorp in Shadowrun is owned 100% by a dragon. The dude is so big time that he's the one who got a rule applied to his entire species, "Never make a deal with a Dragon." And as rules go, that is the one they mention last so it sticks in Newbie's heads.
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Please, Quarians are saints compared to an average gypsy. In Hungary most of them are aggressive assholes who abuse that they are minority. Decent gypsies are suffering becuase of them. Quarians have their own flaws, but at least the are not outright repulsive.
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All I know about gypsies I learned is from TV so it must be right.
So speaking about ships; Do we need to hire crews and do we need to build any shipyards to maintain our ParSec fleet?
I would also think that we may need to hire someone to lead the fleet too. We should probably ask Lindsey Bradley if she knows anyone. If she doesn't have anyone in mind we need to do some head hunting.
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Those who live on the Migrant Fleet now don't have any responsibility for Morning War. Yes, they are difficult to deal with because of their cautiousness mixed with desperation. But that doesn't mean that they are the cause.
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I do not bale them for that. But their attitude towards the Geth is idiotic as ever.
I think we were going to save miniaturization for the Gen 2 tech, make it worth something.
After that about the size of a human digit?
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so we'd be able to make arc reactor pens?
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Honestly, I subscribe to the thought that the quarian leadership was at least partially indoctrinated. No other way would they start a war during a war... And if we get mind shielding out there fairly quickly, we might be able to stop it.
Just think: one quarian makes a bad choice and get indoctrinated. He then bring back spare parts built from reaper tech to the fleet, half of which get used. And since they work so well, the second half gets installed in the ships of the admirals.
Just think: one quarian makes a bad choice and get indoctrinated. He then bring back spare parts built from reaper tech to the fleet, half of which get used. And since they work so well, the second half gets installed in the ships of the admirals.
Of course we don't; however we are probably one of the richest individuals in the Alliance now, and definitely will be next quarter (nobody ever gets a company to the multi-trillion dollar/credit level without having an IPO, and thus losing complete control over it, the way we have), and we've done so by personally revolutionizing the energy, biotech, construction, military, and soon mining sectors of the economy. Our words have political weight, such that we can get people from across the ideological spectrum to listen to us just because we're the ones making the pitch.
More importantly, however, we have an advantage of knowing things about our tech that few if any politicians would ever consider. I'm almost certain that there are a large group of politicians already looking at using PMCs to shore up the gaps in the SA's colony patrols, and some of them have probably considered the Migrant Fleet. The people in charge are understandably nervous, however, because they can't think of anything to offer them other than weapons and ship refits, which the Quarians will then use to restart the Morning War. They really have no choice but to do that, or condemn their children to a generations-long process of adapting to a new environment, a process that will kill the majority of the race because their current fleet is scheduled to break down before they'll be able to leave it:
"Although the quarians had maintained zero population growth aboard the Flotilla quite successfully in the three centuries since their exile, their problem was the lack of spaceworthy vessels. They were unable to replace old ships as fast as they were losing them, and within ninety years, their population would be unsustainable."
"It's the difference between sixty years and six hundred. For anyone alive today to see a sunset without a mask, we must take back our home."
PI, however, can offer Appia/Virgo-based modular, packable space stations, which the Quarians can use to keep their sterile environment and continue on as a species while reducing the stress they put on their ships. At the same time, these space stations are completely useless in a fight, so we don't have to worry about giving the Quarians weapons with which to start another Morning War. (We'll also be able to cure their immune system problems, but we don't even know that in-character yet).
The rest of the galaxy assumes that the Quarians can just settle somewhere, and take the six centuries or so to let their biology adapt to the new planet. What they don't realize, because the Fleet keeps it a closely held secret, is that the Quarians are about a century away from a mass die-off, when their aging ships (likely including at least one, possibly all, of the liveships that grow all their food) finally give up the ghost.
Unfortunately you have stupid on both sides of the aisle there: the Geth seem determined to make themselves as scary and unknown as possible, refusing to even exchange diplomatic messages with the rest of the galaxy, which does nothing but feed anti-AI paranoia. They're supposedly watching the Citadel's extranet, so they can't possibly have missed this, but they do nothing to correct it.
Eh, while possible, I don't want to ascribe every dumb thing in Mass Effect to indoctrination; you'd have to assume that the entire galaxy is indoctrinated, and in that case the Reapers have already won.
I doubt that the level 1 mind shield will protect against indoctrination. I expect it will be level 3+, and require indoctrinated subjects to study before we'll be allowed to get it.
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Or it could be a multiple generation feud that is a religious hate. I would compare the hate that Quarians have for the Geth as almost a religious war. They will kill the Geth and take back the homeland no matter the cost. If only there a situation like that in real life to use as an example...
It's basically religious. Look at the culture's exclamations/ritual worlds, "Keelah Se'lai" is roughly "by the home world I hope to see one day", Keelah is "by the homeworld".
And this is exaggerated by geth's nature as software and quarian old religious principles. They were ancestor worshipping people, and, just let me quote:
So, consider. Quarians venerate their ancestors religiously. They are working on developing what amounts to electronic immortality. They already preserve imprints of their ancestors in forms of "electronic ghosts", VIs, and believe that their forefathers survive in that way.
Then come geth, who are also VIs, whose bodies are at least somewhat based on quarians, and who ask "do I have a soul"? Can anyone else see a parallel here? Geth, VIs that are asking if they are alive, and "living" memories of quarian ancestors already involved in the life of the race, possibly involved in the governing of their civilization.
Geth were literally demons, mirrors of ancestral spirits. They also raised issues with VI rights. I mean, quarians were working on electronic immortality and, if I understood correctly, were succeeding, possibly close to success. And if geth were given rights... Quarians ancestral spirits would also have to be given rights. Meaning that from that day on, quarian race would be run by dead quarians.
So, a combination of politics and religion, intermixing together in a very bad way. Plus, yeah, at some points indoctrination might have played a role.
I'm not offering the Morning War as cause, I'm offering their selfishness and self centered attitude to everyone else. Quarian mentality seems to very strongly focus on 'quarians, and screw everyone else,' and it certainly seems to be so on the part of the leadership.
To an extent, this isn't a bad thing, but it leads to problems when they load off their burdens without warning on other people while basically robbing their way to another day in the future.
The quarians once tried to settle a planet that the Council was still debating on who would be allowed primary settlement rights, a planet that the quarians had no claim to at all. They did not explain why, they did not explain they needed to settle ASAP or run the risk of a die off. With a non-member species so clearly performing what's basically grand theft planet the Council's response was 'get off planet or get shot off.'
The quarians left.
That does not mean they have no options left. Planets that could be settled by them might be rare, but they are certainly available. And if they were to go settle one they could convert the Fleet into a massive life support system that provides their settlers with food until whatever settlement they create is self sufficient, with a few of the other ships doing the raw material sourcing and processing from in system resources.
