Shepard Quest Mk VI, Technological Revolution

Cjdavis103 · May 1, 2015

TheEyes said:
An RC plane instead of an RC (quad)copter? That'd make the camera option much less useful. In fact, the killer app for this surveillance drone is the fact that it has basically infinite fuel: it can sit in one place basically indefinitely collecting footage and sending it back to base. That dovetails nicely with the copter-type drone, as it doesn't need to move around, and has enough stability to use zoom lenses to pick up details from very far away, something you can't do as easily with an airplane-type drone.

Larger drones/automated mechs/fighters are a good idea, but personally I'd rather wait until we have Flawless Blackboxing and QE Comms, to make our drones much, much harder to hack, before I'll be willing to put so much firepower into a single mobile frame.

From what I understand, Liara's dig results on Altahe, including our little tech trick for reactivating Prothean tech, are all going to be published openly. The Prothean artifact on Intai'sei will likely also be made publicly available; we just want first crack at it, both to see if any useful tech is inside for us to ~~steal~~ adapt, and to ensure that nobody else steals it and milks it for centuries without telling anyone, like for instance the Asari have.

We're certainly not going to war with the entire Terminus; we're just going to blow the hell out of any a-holes who think enslaving humans is an enjoyable pastime.

In fact, on that note I wonder if we should consider a billion-credit PR campaign against slavery, something that we can work to put into Batarian hands. Something that says, in the most diplomatic way possible, "Look, we don't want to step on your culture, or mess with your political or religious beliefs, but if you go around enslaving humans we reserve the right to blow up all your sh*t. All of it: your soldiers, your 'pirates', your businesses, your planets. All your sh*t. Blown up. Think about it."

Already working on it. This far in the past, not really knowing anything specific about the Reapers, the most productive steps we can take to ready the galaxy for the Reapers will look a lot like trying to start a decade-long economic boom and military buildup. The former we accomplish by making energy and biotech cheap and freely available, and starting a resource rush by revolutionizing mining, and the later we accomplish by introducing a revolution in military tech once or twice a year or so, and force the rest of the galaxy to catch up.

On the subject of the PR campaigns against slavery we should make sure to expand it to include all species we eventually want our pmc group to take missions that make them and by extension us and humanity look like good guys. Like say going into barerian space and raiding slave pens rescueing people regardless of species.

And on a side note we really should improve our charisma to max level I mean come on we are commander Shepard that's her thing!

Yog · May 1, 2015

When doing anything against slavery one must remember that ME slavery is Space Magic slavery that is economically more viable than rivaling human economic model, as was shown by Anhur. The point being that, while morally abhorrent to modern western civilization, batarian system isn't stupid!evil, because, somehow, it works.

Cjdavis103 · May 1, 2015

Yog said:
When doing anything against slavery one must remember that ME slavery is Space Magic slavery that is economically more viable than rivaling human economic model, as was shown by Anhur. The point being that, while morally abhorrent to modern western civilization, batarian system isn't stupid!evil, because, somehow, it works.

while yes it aperntly works both the SA and citadel have out lawed slavery and both share a distaste for the practice. not saying we do anything now ( we should wait till the conflict starts) but we can make a good name for ourselves by taregting slaves of all species and providing them with a way home. this can counter the anti human/Paragon feelings for the citidel while improveing relation with SA ( doing essentaily their job without them paying us )

also any idea when the next update is?

Yog · May 1, 2015

Cjdavis103 said:
while yes it aperntly works both the SA and citadel have out lawed slavery and both share a distaste for the practice. not saying we do anything now ( we should wait till the conflict starts) but we can make a good name for ourselves by taregting slaves of all species and providing them with a way home. this can counter the anti human/Paragon feelings for the citidel while improveing relation with SA ( doing essentaily their job without them paying us )

What I'm trying to point out is that no one seems to consider Batarian perspective. Why are they slavers? Because slavery works. It brings food to their tables, it allows them to (out)compete with the rest of the galaxy (despite being subject to lots of sanctions and not being liked), it is a part of their culture, etc. The point is, if one wants to end the practice of slavery, one first needs to understand how slavery works, why it works, and what alternatives there are, and how those alternatives could be implemented.

Basically, what I'm saying is that if we want to fight batarian slavery practice on the global level, we first need to study batarian slavery from different perspectives, including batarian ones, and taking into account its economic viability. Just propaganda won't work, at all, because slavery works.

Stroth · May 1, 2015

Yog said:
Why are they slavers?

Because they have a deeply traditional society which is built around a caste system that includes slavery and they refuse to change it, viewing attempts to do so as attacks on their culture. Also: they believe that anyone with less than four eyes is a lesser being fit only to serve them. It's a totalitarian government held together only by propaganda, hatred and fear. And they're not really competing with anyone, much less out competing.

Basically, they're space North Korea.

Lunaryon · May 1, 2015

...I would disagree with that because honestly Space North Korea would be more of a threat than they are.

They are those deep south Rednecks who live out in the swamps and act like they have the right to sit at the big boy table when the drug dealers and crooked cops sit down to deal, and everyone else just sorta rolls their eyes and ignores them.

Hazard · May 1, 2015

Lunaryon said:
...I would disagree with that because honestly Space North Korea would be more of a threat than they are.

... I think you have a very mistaken point of view when it comes to the Batarian Hegemony. Even though there is no doubt anywhere in Citadel space that if the batarians do something stupid enough to draw the wrath of any of the Citadel races in full, nevermind a Council race, they are going to go down. Hard.

But there's the problem. They go down hard, not easy, and even if their fleets are not equal to those of the Citadel they are still numerous and far ranging enough that they can flat out destroy multiple very important worlds even as the Hegemony is being dismantled, while suppressing the inevitable insurgency takes far too much in the way of resources to deal with unless the Citadel wants to start glassing garden worlds. Which will cause their own people to rise up in rebellion.

Yog · May 1, 2015

Stroth said:
Because they have a deeply traditional society which is built around a caste system that includes slavery and they refuse to change it, viewing attempts to do so as attacks on their culture. Also: they believe that anyone with less than four eyes is a lesser being fit only to serve them. It's a totalitarian government held together only by propaganda, hatred and fear. And they're not really competing with anyone, much less out competing.

Basically, they're space North Korea.

I do not believe in the planet of the hats. Batarians have to be at least as deep as humans. They have culture that is at least as long-standing, with bigger accomplishments (they are the only race of the cycle in canon to develop their own FTL for example). If they have a monolotic culture that spans a multitude of planets, there is a reason why such a culture emerged.

So, no, I disagree that they are that simple. Their system works, evidently. They can remain competitive, and they can remain threatening. If one wants to change the way they work, one needs to first understand that way, and why it works.

Stroth · May 1, 2015

Yog said:
I do not believe in the planet of the hats.

Well the totalitarian government that rules the Batarians does.

Yog said:
Batarians have to be at least as deep as humans.

Why? They're aliens. They don't necessarily have the same mental traits as humans.

Yog said:
(they are the only race of the cycle in canon to develop their own FTL for example).

No, they used Prothean ruins just like everyone else. Damaged ones, which did make it harder and they're (arguably justifiably) proud of that.

Yog said:
They can remain competitive

Only with a race that has been in interstellar space for barely a single generation. And even then they regularly get their asses kicked.

Yog said:
and they can remain threatening.

No they really can't. There's a reason that the citadel races just ignore them. I'll give you a hint: It's because they're not threatening at all to the established races.

Cjdavis103 · May 1, 2015

Yog said:
What I'm trying to point out is that no one seems to consider Batarian perspective. Why are they slavers? Because slavery works. It brings food to their tables, it allows them to (out)compete with the rest of the galaxy (despite being subject to lots of sanctions and not being liked), it is a part of their culture, etc. The point is, if one wants to end the practice of slavery, one first needs to understand how slavery works, why it works, and what alternatives there are, and how those alternatives could be implemented.

Basically, what I'm saying is that if we want to fight batarian slavery practice on the global level, we first need to study batarian slavery from different perspectives, including batarian ones, and taking into account its economic viability. Just propaganda won't work, at all, because slavery works.

Give Sheapard a mounth with a Econ team and they can poak a bunch of holes in the economic viability of slavery. a fundamental rule of econimics from an econ major the answer to all economic questions boil down to " It depends" so comeing up with reasons why it would not be as efective as a nonslaveery sociaity should be preety easy and there should already be thesis's available from every single specise in the citadel. Basicly we can confront the slavery issue from every angle (polticly, militarily and economically) with no issue.

Hazard said:
... I think you have a very mistaken point of view when it comes to the Batarian Hegemony. Even though there is no doubt anywhere in Citadel space that if the batarians do something stupid enough to draw the wrath of any of the Citadel races in full, nevermind a Council race, they are going to go down. Hard.

But there's the problem. They go down hard, not easy, and even if their fleets are not equal to those of the Citadel they are still numerous and far ranging enough that they can flat out destroy multiple very important worlds even as the Hegemony is being dismantled, while suppressing the inevitable insurgency takes far too much in the way of resources to deal with unless the Citadel wants to start glassing garden worlds. Which will cause their own people to rise up in rebellion.

While it's true they do have numbers but here is the thing in cannon SA wins With plenty of room to spare and now they have Arc reactor tech and by the time this rolls around uprgaded fleet and fighters and a large supply of Iron men suits.the baterains are still using primaryly pre-Sheapard weapons and see how well that worked out for the pirates

as for the Hegemony trying to to do a suicide rush I doubt that they are that stupit as they would be faceing war crimes if not humans doing the same thing to them . as for the insuregency well we counter that by puting someone we want in charge and giveing them acess to some of our tech to give them the power to hold onto control. we can also use this time to push our intrests in the area. proiding arc reactors to power the area and outher things to win a hearts and minds campine in the area

This is where we turn the tables quite soundly guys hell if we get good rolls we might even be able to use some Mark 2 Suits on top of everything else. Honestly we might have broken the balance of power with all this tech and primarly in the hands of Humanity

Yog · May 1, 2015

Cjdavis103 said:
Give Sheapard a mounth with a Econ team and they can poak a bunch of holes in the economic viability of slavery. a fundamental rule of econimics from an econ major the answer to all economic questions boil down to " It depends" so comeing up with reasons why it would not be as efective as a nonslaveery sociaity should be preety easy and there should already be thesis's available from every single specise in the citadel. Basicly we can confront the slavery issue from every angle (polticly, militarily and economically) with no issue.

The fundamental problem is that it seems that due to space magic slavery is actually competitive if not superior to non-slavery in mass effect, at least in some cases.

Stroth said:
Why? They're aliens. They don't necessarily have the same mental traits as humans.

Of course they are not the same, that's the point! They are different, but thinking them that much simpler (all batarians are *sshats) is, well, lazy. They would never have become a space faring empire in their own right if that was the case.

Only with a race that has been in interstellar space for barely a single generation. And even then they regularly get their asses kicked.

Also with the terminus, and in the face of multi-generational campaign targeted at destroying them economically led by the strongest power in the known galaxy.

No they really can't. There's a reason that the citadel races just ignore them. I'll give you a hint: It's because they're not threatening at all to the established races.

And yet, they still acquire slaves. If they weren't threatening, this wouldn't have been allowed to continue, don't you agree?

Ramble · May 1, 2015

Yog said:
The fundamental problem is that it seems that due to space magic slavery is actually competitive if not superior to non-slavery in mass effect, at least in some cases.

Of course they are not the same, that's the point! They are different, but thinking them that much simpler (all batarians are *sshats) is, well, lazy. They would never have become a space faring empire in their own right if that was the case.

Also with the terminus, and in the face of multi-generational campaign targeted at destroying them economically led by the strongest power in the known galaxy.

And yet, they still acquire slaves. If they weren't threatening, this wouldn't have been allowed to continue, don't you agree?

But they are asshats though. You almost literally could not name one who wasn't in the mass effect games.

Yog · May 1, 2015

Ramble said:
But they are asshats though. You almost literally could not name one who wasn't in the mass effect games.

And how many of them have we interacted with, exactly?

Yog · May 1, 2015

Cjdavis103 said:
Give Sheapard a mounth with a Econ team and they can poak a bunch of holes in the economic viability of slavery. a fundamental rule of econimics from an econ major the answer to all economic questions boil down to " It depends" so comeing up with reasons why it would not be as efective as a nonslaveery sociaity should be preety easy and there should already be thesis's available from every single specise in the citadel. Basicly we can confront the slavery issue from every angle (polticly, militarily and economically) with no issue.

You are an economy major? Care to write an omake on the potential effects of slavery in a space-faring multy-species civilization where fast production means are common-spread and most labor requires at least some education? And how such system can be both somewhat sustainable and somewhat competitive? I'm willing to help.

Cjdavis103 · May 1, 2015

Yog said:
You are an economy major? Care to write an omake on the potential effects of slavery in a space-faring multy-species civilization where fast production means are common-spread and most labor requires at least some education? And how such system can be both somewhat sustainable and somewhat competitive? I'm willing to help.

Ill take a look at it but we should hold off untill we get close to the conflict

The fundamental problem is that it seems that due to space magic slavery is actually competitive if not superior to non-slavery in mass effect, at least in some cases.

"Some cases" is the key words here we prove that it is not inherently superior( econmic models from most races includeing resident Econmic race the volous backing up our claim) and show it is moraly wrong across the majority of citadel races cultures ( we have a hell of a lot of culture to work with on this part) it should no be to hard to have sheapard rig up one hell of a thesis/speach/comercial/PSA

Hazard · May 1, 2015

Cjdavis103 said:
Give Sheapard a mounth with a Econ team and they can poak a bunch of holes in the economic viability of slavery. a fundamental rule of econimics from an econ major the answer to all economic questions boil down to " It depends" so comeing up with reasons why it would not be as efective as a nonslaveery sociaity should be preety easy and there should already be thesis's available from every single specise in the citadel. Basicly we can confront the slavery issue from every angle (polticly, militarily and economically) with no issue.

There are two things that can make slavery a viable method of supporting your economy; the need for large amounts of (un)trained labour and the availability of effective methods of suppressing rebellion. If the batarians are using slaves to prop up their economy they probably have a large need for manpower.

However, consider the only person we've ever seen that got out of slavery. From all appearances Talitha was actively involved in a service position while enslaved. This is a dangerous position to give a slave unless you are certain they are well in hand, and is apparently not considered an unusual position for a slave to have. This means that the batarians are likely using their slaving practices to dump menial jobs on whatever they can't drop on mechanised assistance and that the slaves are effectively enough browbeaten to be left without supervision.

Cjdavis103 said:
While it's true they do have numbers but here is the thing in cannon SA wins With plenty of room to spare and now they have Arc reactor tech and by the time this rolls around uprgaded fleet and fighters and a large supply of Iron men suits.the baterains are still using primaryly pre-Sheapard weapons and see how well that worked out for the pirates

In canon the SA never took on the Hegemony. Their catspaws? Sure, but nothing more than that. As such, the claim that the SA could 'take them,' when from all conversations in the game the batarians are a force to be reckoned with and too dangerous to go after when they're using cat's paws is perhaps an exaggeration.

The improved weapons systems etc. are certainly useful, but they may not necessarily improve the SA's chances if they decide to be the aggressor. If the batarians tried anything more offending than they are they'd get dog piled by the galaxy, but the SA? Citadel will say 'good luck,' because if they try anything more the Terminus might decide to take sides, and it's unlikely the Council's. Which turns a 'costly but winnable' war against the batarians into a much harder slog.

Cjdavis103 said:
as for the Hegemony trying to to do a suicide rush I doubt that they are that stupit as they would be faceing war crimes if not humans doing the same thing to them .

And that's why they use cat's paws. However, if they are pressed sufficiently I'm certain they'll do it, just to spite their lessers.

Cjdavis103 said:
as for the insuregency well we counter that by puting someone we want in charge and giveing them acess to some of our tech to give them the power to hold onto control. we can also use this time to push our intrests in the area. proiding arc reactors to power the area and outher things to win a hearts and minds campine in the area

Scroll up a bit. You know that thing about the Terminus having an opinion on the matter? Now imagine humanity trying to stand against the full Terminus system on its own. I mean, sure, the System's Alliance is pretty potent for such a young nation, but taking on that big a chunk of the galaxy with its comparatively tiny population base is... ill advised. And we'll have little choice but to.

The Alliance raiding into the Terminus Systems to go after slavers? Sure. Going after batarians to free slaves? Hope you've got a good black ops program. Trying to conquer a chunk of the Terminus? We're a Council associated race, we're going to face insurgencies funded by local governments.

Cjdavis103 said:
This is where we turn the tables quite soundly guys hell if we get good rolls we might even be able to use some Mark 2 Suits on top of everything else. Honestly we might have broken the balance of power with all this tech and primarly in the hands of Humanity

Except humanity would be lucky to break the 20 billion people mark. And trying to take on polities that would outnumber us 5 to 1 at minimum with a tech advantage in space. Each.

We are turning the tables, but quite frankly, we're going to be buried if we get too eager. First we need to get the Cabira replacing as many frigates as possible, preferably with cruiser prototypes under construction and dreadnoughts on the drafting boards along with carriers. With that humanity would be ready to break the Hegemony, if not occupy its worlds.

Ramble said:
But they are asshats though. You almost literally could not name one who wasn't in the mass effect games.

Even if they are all asshats, that doesn't mean that they are stupid.

Cjdavis103 said:
"Some cases" is the key words here we prove that it is not inherently superior( econmic models from most races includeing resident Econmic race the volous backing up our claim) and show it is moraly wrong across the majority of citadel races cultures ( we have a hell of a lot of culture to work with on this part) it should no be to hard to have sheapard rig up one hell of a thesis/speach/comercial/PSA

Which will promptly be ignored by the batarians. Because, muh kultur ish superior to all your lies! Even when they are sane, well reasoned and backed up by gigabytes worth of data. Because, well, because.

Portec · May 1, 2015

Just to remind everyone: The Batarians were not the only slavers in ME. They were just the most "traditional" ones.
In Illium, a collony founded by Asari, it was easy to buy a slave. Granted, on Illium the slaves "sold" themself to the slavers for money or to escape dept and interest.

azoicennead · May 1, 2015

Yog said:
The fundamental problem is that it seems that due to space magic slavery is actually competitive if not superior to non-slavery in mass effect, at least in some cases.

Is it?
Is it really?
In canon, the batarians withdrew from the Citadel over the Council not declaring the Skylian Verge an area of "batarian interest" (and off-limits for human colonization), and... nobody gave a fuck.
That doesn't point to them being any kind of power.

Also with the terminus, and in the face of multi-generational campaign targeted at destroying them economically led by the strongest power in the known galaxy.

A what now?
Oh, do you mean how they still have slaves, despite slavery being outlawed in Council space? That's because nobody gives a fuck. They're not worth the effort.
Also, the Terminus isn't a cohesive threat. It's a (mostly) lawless area of space.

And yet, they still acquire slaves. If they weren't threatening, this wouldn't have been allowed to continue, don't you agree?

Or maybe they're just enough of a pain to take out that they've balanced the bad rep from what few slave raids they mount on people who can do anything about it with nobody caring enough to actually do something about it.

Hell, their slave raids probably happen mostly outside Council space (e.g. the Terminus), and are sufficiently separated from official operations that they can claim the high ground in PR.

Oh, and as @Portec pointed out, indentured servants are legal in Council space, as seen on Illium. So the Council almost definitely doesn't take moral offense to slavery.

Hazard said:
cruiser prototypes under construction and dreadnoughts on the drafting boards along with carriers.

Those are going to be fucking hilarious.

Cjdavis103 · May 1, 2015

Portec said:
Just to remind everyone: The Batarians were not the only slavers in ME. They were just the most "traditional" ones.
In Illium, a collony founded by Asari, it was easy to buy a slave. Granted, on Illium the slaves "sold" themself to the slavers for money or to escape dept and interest.

they are the primary consumer of slaves outside of the terminus system and technically the " slavery" on illuim is more along the lines of indentured seratude.

Also we are only exploiting the common view of slavery by MOST of the citidal Races ( most likely IC Sheapard shears this considering she was almost made a slave) is very negative. and by speaking and acting aginst slavery at the opertune time we can use it to put some good light on humans and us

What we are going for IC is what we have stated speaking out against something that sheapard has to feel strongly about. OOC this is also a publcity action to spread our influence

here are two things that can make slavery a viable method of supporting your economy; the need for large amounts of (un)trained labour and the availability of effective methods of suppressing rebellion. If the batarians are using slaves to prop up their economy they probably have a large need for manpower.

there are plenty of alternatives to the slavery method such as automated systems they are a spaceflight level specise remember and in keeping with the unskilled labor they could use the simalar system of indentured servatude they still keep the labor but this allows that labot to have a choice in the matter

In canon the SA never took on the Hegemony. Their catspaws? Sure, but nothing more than that. As such, the claim that the SA could 'take them,' when from all conversations in the game the batarians are a force to be reckoned with and too dangerous to go after when they're using cat's paws is perhaps an exaggeration.

Where a force to reckoned with

Citadel sanctions have left the Batarian Hegemony a paper tiger of an empire, one that fights rivals through deniable terrorist actions rather than the wars of its heyday centuries ago. By 2160, when colonisation of the Skyllian Verge began, batarian military capacity had apparently weakened to the point that they were unable to prevent human expansion

they are far from a modern milatairy hell we are looking at a force decades out of date with little ofical warfare experience vs a milarairy with expaerance from the first contact war and has tech that is centuries ahead of schedule

And that's why they use cat's paws. However, if they are pressed sufficiently I'm certain they'll do it, just to spite their lessers.

you are assuming
1. that they will be pressed to that point insted of capulating
2. the leader ship is dumb enough to basicly destroy their specise over a minor war ( SA is not takeing kindly to destroying populaed worls)
3. the citidel will do nothing when astroids start flying around.
4. they succed considering Sa at this point have the most advanced ships in the galaxy ( baring the collecters and reapers)
5. Sheaprd dosent prepare some kind of anit aestroid trick

Scroll up a bit. You know that thing about the Terminus having an opinion on the matter? Now imagine humanity trying to stand against the full Terminus system on its own. I mean, sure, the System's Alliance is pretty potent for such a young nation, but taking on that big a chunk of the galaxy with its comparatively tiny population base is... ill advised. And we'll have little choice but to.

which is why i advocated we play the varrious factions against one anouther maybe give one some upgraded tech so they make a powerplay for control i figure the various secret organisations would be doing the same thing .

as for congering the termunus system no we are fighting baterains whom are a citdel race

Except humanity would be lucky to break the 20 billion people mark. And trying to take on polities that would outnumber us 5 to 1 at minimum with a tech advantage in space. Each.

on the ground we are looking at 100 to 1 with ease in favor of Legonairy systems ( which are human exclusive ) and thats not includeing ground craft which scews it even more in our favor. we land forces on a planet that planet is ours

as for space we have the tech advantage by a wide margin and the terrminus system almost primarly use antique level ships decades out of date and will have almost no discipline or tactics

Which will promptly be ignored by the batarians. Because, muh kultur ish superior to all your lies! Even when they are sane, well reasoned and backed up by gigabytes worth of data. Because, well, because.

we are useing this to discredit the baterains to the rest of the citial.and we will convience some of the batterains i imagen there are many who are not satisfied with the current arrangements

Hazard · May 1, 2015

Cjdavis103 said:
there are plenty of alternatives to the slavery method such as automated systems they are a spaceflight level specise remember and in keeping with the unskilled labor they could use the simalar system of indentured servatude they still keep the labor but this allows that labot to have a choice in the matter

... Depending on circumstances indentured servitude is slavery by another name.

Also, it's possible that the batarians haven't made the necessary advancements in automation to create effective mechanical domestic servants and similar machinery.

Cjdavis103 said:
Where a force to reckoned with

Are. If they weren't punitive expeditions would assault batarian worlds in an attempt to retrieve any captured slaves.

Cjdavis103 said:
they are far from a modern milatairy hell we are looking at a force decades out of date with little ofical warfare experience vs a milarairy with expaerance from the first contact war and has tech that is centuries ahead of schedule

Rather similar to North Korea.

Here's the thing.

Noone wants the North Koreans to actually start a war. Their equipment might be outdated at best and lacking in experience but there's a lot of them under arms that would steamroll much of South Korea before getting pushed back through sheer weight of numbers.

Cjdavis103 said:
you are assuming
1. that they will be pressed to that point insted of capulating

Batarians are exceedingly prideful if you go by the Codex, and the casual arrogance showcased by most batarians you meet certainly supports that notion. It's very plausible they'd do exactly that.

Cjdavis103 said:
2. the leader ship is dumb enough to basicly destroy their specise over a minor war ( SA is not takeing kindly to destroying populaed worls)

A war being waged to destroy a major underpinning of your people's culture is not a minor war, it's an existential threat for your government at minimum.

Cjdavis103 said:
3. the citidel will do nothing when astroids start flying around.

Eh, don't need big rocks for that... In fact, asteroids make poor impactors.

Cjdavis103 said:
4. they succed considering Sa at this point have the most advanced ships in the galaxy ( baring the collecters and reapers)

Just need a spec ops unit taking a few freighters. Military vessels are actually unnecessary, they just make it easier.

Besides, having the best ships doesn't matter as much as having enough ships...

Cjdavis103 said:
5. Sheaprd dosent prepare some kind of anit aestroid trick

When there's something coming close that will impact with the force of multiple gigatons there isn't exactly a lot you can do against that except hope it misses.

Cjdavis103 said:
which is why i advocated we play the varrious factions against one anouther maybe give one some upgraded tech so they make a powerplay for control i figure the various secret organisations would be doing the same thing .

Oh look, Citadel interference in our business!

Cjdavis103 said:
as for congering the termunus system no we are fighting baterains whom are a citdel race

Ehm, no. They are not. Haven't been since they left. And probably never were, given their relative isolation even when a Citadel associate species.

Cjdavis103 said:
on the ground we are looking at 100 to 1 with ease in favor of Legonairy systems ( which are human exclusive ) and thats not includeing ground craft which scews it even more in our favor. we land forces on a planet that planet is ours

Sure. That's for the ground war.

Suppressing the insurgency is an entirely different matter.

Cjdavis103 said:
as for space we have the tech advantage by a wide margin and the terrminus system almost primarly use antique level ships decades out of date and will have almost no discipline or tactics

We have no tech advantage in space outside of the SA's fighter craft, and even there it's only the power supply. Everything else is barely more than a pipe dream at this point that has yet to be invested in in a useful manner.

Cjdavis103 said:
we are useing this to discredit the baterains to the rest of the citial.and we will convience some of the batterains i imagen there are many who are not satisfied with the current arrangements

Those are either already exiled or never going to see the attack adds. Or did you not know the Hegemony is a brutal totalitarian regime?

Also, spell check, it's a thing, and I'd advise you to use it.

azoicennead said:
Those are going to be fucking hilarious.

Yes. But first we need to get there.

Ramble · May 1, 2015

I wonder if it would be possible to covertly fund a religious extremist organization inside the batarian hegemony.

Stroth · May 1, 2015

Hazard said:
When there's something coming close that will impact with the force of multiple gigatons there isn't exactly a lot you can do against that except hope it misses.

That's not entirely true. You can, for example, shoot it with big ass military grade lasers to create an improvised laser propulsion system and blow it off course. Now remind me, what's the only company in the known galaxy building big ass military grade lasers again? The name's on the tip of my tongue...

Hazard · May 1, 2015

Stroth said:
That's not entirely true. You can, for example, shoot it with big ass military grade lasers to create an improvised laser propulsion system and blow it off course. Now remind me, what's the only company in the known galaxy building big ass military grade lasers again? The name's on the tip of my tongue...

Gee, you'd think if you used something as expensive as slinging a big ass rock at something (yes, this is expensive in space) you'd ensure it has some kind of terminal guidance system.

Hoyr · May 1, 2015

Yog said:
Of course they are not the same, that's the point! They are different, but thinking them that much simpler (all batarians are *sshats) is, well, lazy. They would never have become a space faring empire in their own right if that was the case.

"It was Vyrnnus who made me see how 'human' aliens are. They're not different or special. They're jerks and saints, just like us." - Kaiden Alenko.

While aliens may have different philosophies world views and perspectives, I try to work with this Idea. So yeah what you said. Though the average Batarian is more likely to be a less than pleasant person due to culture.

Yog said:
Also with the terminus, and in the face of multi-generational campaign targeted at destroying them economically led by the strongest power in the known galaxy.

This is also a good point the Citadel have been trying very hard to destroy the economy of the Hegmony. The Batarian Hegemony is nearly 2300 years old and they have pissed off the Citadel several times. The Citadel has responded by trying to crush the economy instead of an all out war. The Citadel is very war adverse, because as far as they can tell even if you win you lose in net. Two galactic wars have proven this point to them.

azoicennead said:
A what now?

"Little is known about the batarian military. Citadel sanctions have left the Batarian Hegemony a paper tiger of an empire, one that fights rivals through deniable terrorist actions rather than the wars of its heyday centuries ago."

From the Wiki under the military section for Batarians. From the ME3 war assets the Batarian still have a lot of forces. I'd conclude they probably don't have a lot of money for new gear* or money to run operations with their forces. A fair amount are probably in mothballs or in some other low maintenance state.

*They did launch a new Cruiser class ~ten years ago though...

Stroth said:
No, they used Prothean ruins just like everyone else. Damaged ones, which did make it harder and they're (arguably justifiably) proud of that.

Yep... wait a second that means the Batarians have a good research system... huh.

Cjdavis103 said:
Econmic models from most races includeing resident Econmic race the volous backing up our claim

Actually the Volus practice something that may be... related to slavery. They consider clans buying and selling members okay. The Volus consider just about everything a commodity. However this seems to be internal only and it may be far more limited with legal structures and the like making it not exactly slavery. However all we have is a short blurb.

Actually the Volus joined before the Batarians... the "Cultural Thing" exception maybe due to the Volus originally. The Batarians and Volus are actually very similar. Both are profit/value focused.

Hazard said:
Trying to conquer a chunk of the Terminus?

It should be noted that a large amount of the Terminus is... anti-authority? For lack of a better word. They don't like big groups (especially Citadel ones) messing around in their territory or around them and are willing to get quite violent about it. Even worse they gang up and get violent about it. So trying to conquer any part of the Terminus is going to get them all pissed at you.

The Terminus is basically the place people go when some one says, "Well if you don't like it here go somewhere else." You can see that in the several human colonies that deliberately left the SA and colonized Terminus space. (Idiots

)

Cjdavis103 said:
no we are fighting baterains whom are a citdel race

Not any more, they stopped being Citadel in the early 2160s, about a decade ago in game. They are for all intents an purposes a Terminus faction now. The Batarians are heavily spread into the Terminus so much so that their languages are the common/trade language of the region.

Depending on... factors (politics, propaganda), some Terminus groups may support them. The Batarians are good friends with the pirate gangs and other criminal elements at a minimum. Collectively those have enough force to be a threat.

Hazard said:
When there's something coming close that will impact with the force of multiple gigatons there isn't exactly a lot you can do against that except hope it misses.

Actually using the asteroid from Arrival try teratons, as you can somehow do that with smuggled fusion drives. (*mumble mumble* art teams *mumble* sense of scale, etc) Asked with false hope: Maybe it didn't have that much mass due to it being hollow?

Regardless, gigaton scale asteroids are probably easier though.

Stroth · May 1, 2015

Hazard said:
Gee, you'd think if you used something as expensive as slinging a big ass rock at something (yes, this is expensive in space) you'd ensure it has some kind of terminal guidance system.

Yeah, you'd think so. So exactly what kind of guidance system would you suggest that would work?

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