redzonejoe
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ME1 is when the Reapers start invading. Shepard kept slowing them down. We are Shepard. We have to start slowing them down by 2183, or they will be here.
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ME1 is when the Reapers start invading. Shepard kept slowing them down. We are Shepard. We have to start slowing them down by 2183, or they will be here.
azoicennead
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Pretty sure our Repulsors are actually particle beams, which means we have a tech tree for those, mostly range improvements IIRC.
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If the question is 'when do the reapers attack' then the first date to focus on is 2183. Yes, okay, ME3 happens in 2186. Sure. I'm not Arguing that. But that's not when the reapers attack. That's when the reapers finally get here after we blew up all their transportation.. We haven't blown up their transportation. so it doesn't matter how long it'd take them to metaphorically 'walk' to get here, what matters is when they become active. Which is 2183.
If I'm still missing the point, then explain why the date of ME3 is more important than when the citadel blew up to stop the invasion?
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Read the fucking exchange.
TA clarified Amberion's post saying ME3 was 6 months after ME2 by saying that ME3 specifically happened in 2186.
She was not talking about when the Reapers attacked, she was clarifying the timeline.
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The 'timeline' was a response to a question about the reapers, and nobody actually argued against me3 taking place in 2186. so... This is a very stupid conversation then. It just seems like the focus on the date of ME3 is counter-productive to the question that that date was meant to answer
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Yes.
That's why I didn't argue that we should plan for 2186, just said (repeatedly) ME3 happened in 2186.
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A conversation that you have been the driving force behind due to a basic failure of reading comprehension. *Slow clap*
And having accurate data is never a bad thing. While obviously we should plan to be ready for the invasion in 2183, it would be best to know exactly how much extra time we have to work with should we succeed in derailing Nazara's plan. Specifically: two and a half years if we don't blow the Alpha Relay, three if we do.
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Glad everything is settled then. Good job everybody.
1. Question is asked
2. Timeline is posted
3. Timeline is amended
4. Emphasis placed on ME1 in response to original question
5. Emphasis placed back on date of ME3 in response to emphasis on ME1
6. I enter conversation
Yeah, sure, I guess you can blame my reading comprehension, but considering the uneeded extra emphasis on the date of ME3, seemingly posted as a correction to the Emphasis on ME1 being the start of the attack, it's easy to imagine how I thought he was putting the date of ME3 down as the date of note in response to the original question.
In my opinion, step 5 is what messed things up.
1. Question is asked
2. Timeline is posted
3. Timeline is amended
4. Emphasis placed on ME1 in response to original question
5. Emphasis placed back on date of ME3 in response to emphasis on ME1
6. I enter conversation
Yeah, sure, I guess you can blame my reading comprehension, but considering the uneeded extra emphasis on the date of ME3, seemingly posted as a correction to the Emphasis on ME1 being the start of the attack, it's easy to imagine how I thought he was putting the date of ME3 down as the date of note in response to the original question.
In my opinion, step 5 is what messed things up.
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The tech tree says particle beams are not fully researched. Although it may be out of date.
hey guys funny idea for when we hit super dreadnoughts: who wants to build star destroyers?
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... Only as paper mache shells that we use as decoys for our stealth super-frigates.
Assuming stealth will win is a terrible idea.
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A ship painted black in space is pretty much invisible to the naked eye even if you had a telescope.
stealth has a good chance of winning considering how easy it is to do it (painting a ship black) verses how hard it is to overcome this simple method of stealth (advanced IR sensors)
stealth has a good chance of winning considering how easy it is to do it (painting a ship black) verses how hard it is to overcome this simple method of stealth (advanced IR sensors)
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You are mainly reliant on the radiation coming from the enemy ships on board reactor, life support systems and the ships engines.
Even if you managed to shut down all non-needed systems, you would have problems trying to hide the output of your reactor (as well as potentially cause your reactor to scram), your engines and the fact that your insides are hotter than outer space due to being room temperture.
In fact, painting your ship black is the stupidest way to gain stealth, as the shade of black will absorb every bit of UV radiation hitting it that comes from the local sun, which in turn will make you light up like a christmas tree.
It is in fact a whole lot harder to have any form of stealth than what most sci-fi writers come up with.
It's more or less impossible in RL, even if you are using reactionless thrusters simply because it takes more energy to cool something than it does to heat something up.
A ship painted in white, however...might run into the problems of being easier to pick up via LIDAR, as it's more likely to 'bounce' back.
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Yeah...I think I read somewhere that a starship that was around 100 meters long (around the length of an Attack/Assault submarine), emitting only enough radiation through it's hull via room temperture life support (to stop it's crew from freezing to death) would be detectable at something like...
0.5 of an Astromonical Unit I think it was....which is about 4 light minutes.
I have noticed that ME seems to suffer a lot from 'sci fi writers have no sense of scale' when it comes to stuff like 'distances involved in getting from planet to another in the same solar system' or 'shooting KKVs at each other'.
I keep getting the impression that Bioware/EA wanted to 'relive the Age Of Sailing IN SPACE' and then shoved in half-assed stuff from WW2 into the mix.
Broadsides? Navy ditched those during WW2 because it was broadsides that represented both an armour and structural weakness, not the other way around.
*Sigh* Then again, this isn't a 'what Bioware got wrong in ME' thread, so I'm quitting it here.
EDIT: You know what, though? If we are really that desperate to even up the odds with the Reapers, we could go for 'ghetto dreadnaughts':
Rip out the mass accelerators that a 'normal' frigate has, outfit them with ones capable of propelling a 25 KG slug at a much slower speed than a dreadnaught, load them up with 25 KG slugs, jump them in system, pick a target, crank up the mass reduction as high it can go with out triggering the FTL system, put those proton to anti-proton engines to maximum, accelerate up to 3% of lightspeed and just let them rip.
Relative speeds are a pain in the backside for everyone.
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The only way I can actually see them working 'better' than they do now is purposefully make the rounds they fire smaller so they get a higher speed on them and use them as flak against ships that think that performing high G acceleration anywhere near them is a good idea.
As in: Enemy ship thinks it can sideline the slower ship with ease....only to get a face full of projectiles for it's trouble and come out looking like swiss cheese.
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Or we could use them to fire missiles...maybe? Depending on the barrel size....
We do have 'variable wavelength lasers' in the works...somewhere.
GRAZERs, GRAZERs for everyone! Just the wrong end!