Shepard Quest Mk VI, Technological Revolution

I doubt having her as a consultant would make us impervious to security threats, but it should give us a decent bonus to future anti-infiltration rolls.


Er, right. Yeah, got those two mixed up.

Getting a Litinana research hero might be nice, but as it is we have too many things to research already. Also I'm not sure I want to get Mordin together with any race known for producing lots of super bioweapons; that just sounds like a bad idea all around.

Or a really fantastic one. The two of them could develop a cure for the Genophage in two quarters flat, then turn around and develop a nano/bioweapon capable of turning Reapers into pussiferous goo.

Win win.
 
Fixing it by definition means that there will be more viable births.

In canon, the Genophage doesn't affect fertility. It just causes the fetus to miscarry 999 times out of 1000. The Salarians went for the most complex and traumatizing way of controlling the birthrate possible. It would have been both easier and kinder to simply reduce the frequency Krogan females ovulate at.

Basically, cure the Genophage and replace it with a far simpler, less dickish alternative of comparable effectiveness.
 
That could work; except it does nothing to stop the Krogan's slow slide into extinction. I'm not sure that Revy would like that; or that I'd want to condemn a whole race the way the Krogan were in ME.
 
That could work; except it does nothing to stop the Krogan's slow slide into extinction. I'm not sure that Revy would like that; or that I'd want to condemn a whole race the way the Krogan were in ME.
It removes one of the most demoralizing factors of the genophage, making the social engineering necessary to permanently solve the slide into extinction possible.
Changing how the genophage works is step 1 of the 12 step program.
 
Fixing it by definition means that there will be more viable births.
As has been said - the fix is in how it operates, not what it does. Nobody actually wants a galaxy buried under the Horde.

That could work; except it does nothing to stop the Krogan's slow slide into extinction. I'm not sure that Revy would like that; or that I'd want to condemn a whole race the way the Krogan were in ME.
0 fucks given - they can stop their own slide even without a cure, the problem is the lack of will to do so. A fixed genophage would go a long way to restoring that, especially if it ends the notion that some females are fertile and some aren't.
 
He's far more likely to sabotage research into a cure for the genophage at this point in time than work toward fixing it.

Mordin was severely shaken by the effects of the genophage on the krogan. He also knows krogan culture well enough to realise that without some form of population growth control the moment the genophage is cured there'll be a ramp up towards a new Krogan Rebellion, and one that's likely to be nipped in the bud through torching Tuchanka to the bedrock.

If we can give Mordin a viable alternative to the genophage and its highly detrimental effect on krogan mentality, and it's not merely a krogan cultural shift alone, it's very likely that he'll consider curing the genophage or lobbying within the Special Task Groups to consider doing so. And he's likely to succeed, because he's very well respected and would provide a very good plan.
 
You know, I was looking through the different Mass Effect timelines, to see if I could find the exact date when Mordin made up his genophage tweak, and I found this:
2172 CE
On Gagarin Station, "Eliza" becomes the first sapient AI created in the Systems Alliance.
I'm assuming that "Eliza" was developed legally, given that a mere seven years earlier in 2165, the Alliance facility at Sidon was found to have been conducting illegal AI research; the Alliance faced heavy fines and censure as a result, and the Alliance probably wouldn't be performing such research illegally again, certainly not on an Alliance-owned station, the exact same station that had just been host to the BAaT program until just a couple of years earlier. Does that mean that AI research isn't as hard to get cleared to do as we've been assuming?
 
You know, I was looking through the different Mass Effect timelines, to see if I could find the exact date when Mordin made up his genophage tweak,

Evidence seems to point toward to a time frame close to 2185 as it implies that Mordin went to Omega not long after. On the on the hand I can find no hard data. Also it would appear that Mordin was more of an STG consultant than an operative. Most of the time he's a genetics professor. When the STG need some one good at that they call him. When they found out the Genophage was failing, they called out a group of people to discuss and address the problem; Mordin was one of them.

If you find something more substantial that'd be great.

Does that mean that AI research isn't as hard to get cleared to do as we've been assuming?

Well I don't know what you were assuming, but I was aware of that, so it changes nothing for me. AI research laws is something the Citadel council enforces and each councilor has their own thought process on that. You basically have to get two out of three of them to agree to allow you a license without the third filling strongly enough that they filibuster.

Of course they'll investigate the situation and make sure you meet minimum standard first.
 
Evidence seems to point toward to a time frame close to 2185 as it implies that Mordin went to Omega not long after. On the on the hand I can find no hard data. Also it would appear that Mordin was more of an STG consultant than an operative. Most of the time he's a genetics professor. When the STG need some one good at that they call him. When they found out the Genophage was failing, they called out a group of people to discuss and address the problem; Mordin was one of them.

If you find something more substantial that'd be great.

Where did he learn to fight then?
 
He was an STG Operative; I don't know when he left the STG but I know he did at some point and went to work on Omega to atone for his part in the genophage.
 
All we know for sure is that he did work for the STG, as a consultant on the genophage project.

Not that he was a gunslinging spy ala Captain Kirrahe.
 
Evidence seems to point toward to a time frame close to 2185 as it implies that Mordin went to Omega not long after. On the on the hand I can find no hard data. Also it would appear that Mordin was more of an STG consultant than an operative. Most of the time he's a genetics professor. When the STG need some one good at that they call him. When they found out the Genophage was failing, they called out a group of people to discuss and address the problem; Mordin was one of them.

If you find something more substantial that'd be great.
That matches my expectations, yes. After all, if Mordin really was a high-level STG operative and he went walkabout--and on Omega no less!--he'd have been targeted for assassination by the STG.

Mordin could be a great asset for us, though we do have to get around his unique brand of stubbornness ("Someone else might have gotten it wrong.") Ironically, the best way to change his mind might be to get him to talk with Gaver Dor, see that not all Krogans are murder-happy savages. Could get him interested in a cure, too. After all, it was talks with Eve in ME3 that got Mordin to admit he made a mistake on the genophage; getting to know Gaver Dor might do the same.

Well I don't know what you were assuming, but I was aware of that, so it changes nothing for me. AI research laws is something the Citadel council enforces and each councilor has their own thought process on that. You basically have to get two out of three of them to agree to allow you a license without the third filling strongly enough that they filibuster.

Of course they'll investigate the situation and make sure you meet minimum standard first.
Veto rather than fillabuster I'm sure, but I think the issue here is that many of us are assuming that getting approved for AI research is going to be this arduous, years-long quest, when apparently the Alliance military got approval to do it only a handful of years after being censured for doing illegal AI research, meaning it's probably more a matter of putting together a decent security setup rather than having to spend decades currying favor with all three members of the Council (probably the Salarian and Turian councilors; I don't see the Asari ever approving a non-Asari to do AI research, given how anti-AI they're likely to be).
 
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All we know for sure is that he did work for the STG, as a consultant on the genophage project.

Not that he was a gunslinging spy ala Captain Kirrahe.

Actually, his dossier in the Shadow Broker DLC seemed to indicate that he was an active field agent. That, or the STG was horribly incompetent and sent a civilian academic consultant on covert op deep into hostile territory. Since this quest seems to be running on the assumption that the rest of the galaxy isn't populated by lobotomized morons like canon is, it's probably best to go with the former interpretation rather than the latter.
 
Actually, his dossier in the Shadow Broker DLC seemed to indicate that he was an active field agent. That, or the STG was horribly incompetent and sent a civilian academic consultant on covert op deep into hostile territory. Since this quest seems to be running on the assumption that the rest of the galaxy isn't populated by lobotomized morons like canon is, it's probably best to go with the former interpretation rather than the latter.
The dossier is about the mission I am referring to, where he is acting as a consultant for the genophage project. It specifically refers to him as "specialist", where the actual combatants were "operative". He's capable of combat, yes - he was presumably trained - but not an active field agent in the sense that he was regularly out in the field cappin bitches for the Union.

Kirrahe's team escorted them in, he and Maelon were supposed to do something, then they were to escort them out.


Edit: Also, going back to reread his dossier...
"Science Fun Today!" as himself (Guest)
We should totally go on talk shows with Mordin and Dor.
 
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Veto rather than fillabuster I'm sure, but I think the issue here is that many of us are assuming that getting approved for AI research is going to be this arduous, years-long quest, when apparently the Alliance military got approval to do it only a handful of years after being censured for doing illegal AI research, meaning it's probably more a matter of putting together a decent security setup rather than having to spend decades currying favor with all three members of the Council (probably the Salarian and Turian councilors; I don't see the Asari ever approving a non-Asari to do AI research, given how anti-AI they're likely to be).

Veto that's the word.

There's a little more to it then just having a good security set up. Actually one part of it I'll consider part of the AI Licensing Prep tech. But yeah its not impossible or that time consuming. I was actually kinda confused when the investigate what we need to do to get a license bit didn't pass in the last quarter vote. I was all ready to say something about that.

I will point out that there is a difference between being allowed to do AI research, having a sapient AI and having a sapient AI that runs around doing whatever it wants (within the laws other sapient beings follow of course). I'll also tell you that such a vote if it was held at just this moment in game probably wouldn't pass. As for why well, find out in game or not as you will.

Where did he learn to fight then?

Search me. Hobby? Skills for subduing test subjects (non-sapient only :p)? He's just that awesome? From Quest canon the STG has called him in long before said mission to look at the genophage data. They may have given him some training. Though it's worth noting that IIRC that he's primarily a tech user and use weak guns otherwise, so he's not a soldier. All I'm saying that being a professor is his day job (and reasonable cover). STG stuff is more a... "we'll call you thing".
 
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