Nope. You brought those points up. Burden of proof is on you.
Shepard Quest Mk V, Base of Operations (ME/MCU)
- Thread starter Esbilon
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It took CHA three months, with our help, just to plug Arc Reactors into their fighter and an entire year, again with our active help, to figure out how to build something that could really take advantage of the Arc Reactor.
So I don't expect the Citadel races to start producing knock-off power armor until at least next year.
Besides the time, manpower and research required?
While they might, in single encounters, be able to defeat the Legionary, with overwhelming numbers, in an actual war it wouldn't work since we can juts use the AFC VI and mass produced Drone Legionaries.
The Citadel is not going to be catching up.
Carrnage
Human
- Location
- New Zealand
A possible in universe explanation is that humanity took a whole lot longer to reach space than is normal for an intelligent species, resulting in more variety.
Lunaryon
Dual Aurora Wave
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while Quantity is a Quality of it's own... we are casually rewriting the books on science as we please. And we aren't even putting everything on a single project. Imagine trying to create power armor with all those bonuses. The Mk2 would be a generation above, and we set the overflow to just move onto the next gen power amour Give us three or four months and it won't matter how many soldiers they have.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. And that is exactly what the Arc Reactor is to the rest of the galaxy as things are. The Asari are baffled and can't believe we've done what we have.
And that was done (say it all with me now...)
We were able to build this in a cave, with a box of scraps.
WE ARE THE FUCKING MAGIC
Van Ropen
Angry, angry about elves.
...the fuck? The Big Three want to maintain hegemony, yes, but in a decade we will join them (maybe less in this timeline). They are not our enemy, the Reapers are.
@Chargone ...I get what you are saying to some degree, but in that case just let Uber do it, xD
Seriously, there are always a couple plans suggested - take those, and swap the techs if you want (they still cost 400 points).
Gah, I don't want to get into it - let's just say I've seen some explanations for it, none of them are palatable, and anyway none of them apply in this scenario anyways.
*grumble* greater genetic variance my ass *grumble*
- Location
- nowhere
[X] Building Better Babies. Distribute your new procedures as widely as you can, making Humanity stronger, faster, smarter and prettier. Also pissing off the companies that are making a killing doing this for the rich and powerful.
--[x] Work with those of alliance governments who have free medical care and mandatory inoculations to spread your advancements as far as possible (and for political capital)
[X] File. Let them see what we can do, and let them then shut up and give us their money.
[X] Hire on five new security teams.
- [X]Prioritize Marines but if we have to take on more LEOs or mercs to have them on time then so be it.
[X] Build Research Lab II and III
-[X] Hire Research Teams at our usual salary
[x] Have your own advanced implant installed.(Magi series implant Mark 1)
-[X] Ask if Rahna would be willing to be hired as your tutor for you
-[X] Offer at cost replacements for all L2 Biotics. Have Rahna as a spokes person if she agrees.
[x] Ask your mother to help you set up an expansive training-regimen; fitness, hand-to-hand and ranged combat, piloting your suit, etc. Hopefully this should give you a more comprehensive skillset than the patchwork training you've done until now.
[X]Advanced Blackboxing/FRM 439/800
Total = 60d10+75
[X]Advanced Fire Control VI
Total = 70d10+70
[X]Peak Human
Total = 10d10+65+Overflow
--[x] Work with those of alliance governments who have free medical care and mandatory inoculations to spread your advancements as far as possible (and for political capital)
[X] File. Let them see what we can do, and let them then shut up and give us their money.
[X] Hire on five new security teams.
- [X]Prioritize Marines but if we have to take on more LEOs or mercs to have them on time then so be it.
[X] Build Research Lab II and III
-[X] Hire Research Teams at our usual salary
[x] Have your own advanced implant installed.(Magi series implant Mark 1)
-[X] Ask if Rahna would be willing to be hired as your tutor for you
-[X] Offer at cost replacements for all L2 Biotics. Have Rahna as a spokes person if she agrees.
[x] Ask your mother to help you set up an expansive training-regimen; fitness, hand-to-hand and ranged combat, piloting your suit, etc. Hopefully this should give you a more comprehensive skillset than the patchwork training you've done until now.
[X]Advanced Blackboxing/FRM 439/800
Total = 60d10+75
[X]Advanced Fire Control VI
Total = 70d10+70
[X]Peak Human
Total = 10d10+65+Overflow
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Mochinator
Protect the weak against the evil strong.
This
- We're competing with the Batarians over the Verge, that is canon.
- The fact that the Council allocates worlds and resouces is also canon, which means if we want a resource or planet outside of the verge we have to go to the council, which is " fighting for resources. "
- So, you're saying that humanity is able to deny the big 3 without any repercussions ? Despite the whole Turian fleet can squash us, STG can infuriate us that is pretty much the big 3's source of power ?
Hence me wanting a patent that locks it down legally, and not forcing us to sell if we don't want to. Which as of the current patent rules, still does.
If we have to patent it, patenting a version that produces less power would be good because it ensures that any tech based on that will not be as powerful as what we can make. The STG will then have the Arc Reactor available, they will have no reason to suspect that the ones we patent and sell in citadal space are less powerful then the ones produced for Humanity.
Van Ropen
Angry, angry about elves.
No, they are going to figure that out pretty damn quickly. That isn't something that will be hidden for any length of time.
You don't get to "lock it down but not sell it" legally. Shame, that's how the market works.
Lunaryon
Dual Aurora Wave
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The solution there is simple.
We need to research the Arc Reactor Mk5.
If they think an old mk1 will save them...
(You might notice from my arguments, but I'm all for using our Stark-level intellect to completely screw over whatever tech the Citadel tries to bring against us. It's the main reason I want to drop everything for like three turns into the Time Machine. That should be enough to figure out what lesser techs we need to develop)
Dunno.
How many security teams do our security people recommend for full coverage once the new facilities are online?
Mochinator
Protect the weak against the evil strong.
You're kinda looking down on the other races.
They have a larger resource to draw upon, and this is just them figuring out a way to power stuff from the arc reactor, it will no be as hard as you make it sound mainly because we will have to put down how to get power from it if we want to sell it.
No, the point is that they can still generate knock-offs.
Even if let's say their power armor only allows for stronger shields powered by the Arc Reactor, it's already a game changer because it means that in firefights, the survivability of everyone goes up.
Carrnage
Human
- Location
- New Zealand
They're not our enemy but are some annoying roadblocks.
The STG creates bigger problems than it solves, the salarians themselves are likely already plotting their use of the fucking Yahg.
Asari will do anything to keep power all the while acting the wise old peacemaker Hell we already know the matriarchs are watching us and are the most likely candidate for trying to bribe our guards early on.
then there's the turians who Blame humanity for everything that went wrong with the first contact war and even hold extremists like Saren who borderline hate humanity.
I'm not advocating Genocide or even harming their own powerbase, we just can't trust them to not attack our own.
Lunaryon
Dual Aurora Wave
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- She/Her
I'm afraid I'm not following here. Yes the Survivability of everyone goes up. Then we adapt as humanity always has, with the bonus of having Revy's brain. Capable of doing things that the Asari casually dismiss as impossible. As long as we are in the lab, humanity has the advantage.
Mochinator
Protect the weak against the evil strong.
No, i doubt it because as far as i can tell, the only instant of a tech of ours drawing upon the full power of the Arc Reactor was that shield test of our suit.
Roughly speaking, it means that the powered-down Arc reactor will not be able to allow the shield to tank as many shots as our full powered ones.
There is no way for them to check because to do it they have to suspect that, and if we give no reason for them to suspect, why will they do so ?
Van Ropen
Angry, angry about elves.
Fine, let's say the get unlimited access to the Mark 1 Arc Reactor, and their shields all go up by an order of magnitude.
How does that compare to our Mark 2, hidden behind flawless blackboxing, that raises ours by two orders of magnitude?
Also, espionage.
How does that compare to our Mark 2, hidden behind flawless blackboxing, that raises ours by two orders of magnitude?
Uhh, what the fuck? It isn't that hard to test the technical specifications of a reactor, especially since they will be working with these in the lab.
Also, espionage.
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Carrnage
Human
- Location
- New Zealand
the fact they outnumber us by a few orders of magnitude tips the scale abit.
Lunaryon
Dual Aurora Wave
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- She/Her
This is a SCIENCE!!!!! Quest. The answer to any and all our problems is the research and application of additional SCIENCE!!!!
Mochinator
Protect the weak against the evil strong.
No, the point is that without said tech, the stuff we generate would have a bigger advantage.
Yes, we can still get a advantage because of what we come up with, however our advantages would not be as big as if they have no Arc Tech at all.
Because mercs are a thing.
So far ? Arc tech as been sold to Humanity's military, because that's what we choose to do.
Whereas if we sell Arc Tech and it's used to develop better weapons by the other species, we have no way of ensuring they sell it to legitimate authorities
No? They have larger militaries, yes. But not by orders of magnitude. Especially since we are totally cheating on the number of dreadnoughts we're allowed to have by building carriers instead.
We have no way of ensuring that the alliance military isn't slipping these things to mercs. I would be very surprised if Cerberus didn't have plans to slip arc reactor knockoffs to mercs.
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Mochinator
Protect the weak against the evil strong.
So compare your scenario.
Let say base level of shield is a 1 and Mark 1 shields are a 2 along with Mark 2 shields being a 3
In a fight, which would be better, a 3 facing a 1 or a 3 facing a 2 ? Which one grants a bigger advantage ? That is the question.
And no, because what reason do they have to continue attempting to unlock that Arc Reactor they stole when we already released it for sale ? There is no way they would know that the ones we sell are less powerful then the one they got.
Even if they do find out, as the sole inventor of Arc Tech, we can spin it as later models produce less power because of so and so reason.
Van Ropen
Angry, angry about elves.
Yeah, but THEY WILL GET ARC TECH. No matter what. Why are you worrying about this? Just accept that, plan for it, move on. Make sure we nab Flawless Blackboxing before the Mk 2 is unveiled...not an issue once Lab 3 is complete.
Edit - to use those examples...3 to 1 is better, but it just isn't going to happen. They will hit two. Focus on advancing ourselves, not holding them down.
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Mochinator
Protect the weak against the evil strong.
So ?
Human mercs are a much smaller amount to deal with then Mercs from all the species.
The fact that they can only sneak it to mercs means the quantities would not be as big as if a major company develops a knock-off and sells it to everyone.
Mochinator
Protect the weak against the evil strong.
You're missing the point that the longer we can hold them back, the greater our advantage because it means there is a longer period before they come on par with us.
The time saved will add up.
Carrnage
Human
- Location
- New Zealand
I don't think Von Neumanning our population is a good idea, and large drone workforce/military is just asking for trouble.
they also surpass us currently in terms of general tech and industry, not just military.
Cerberus is probably actively working to preserve the status quo for now, Arc reactors are helping humanity only and giving them to mercs endangers that.
any advantage over the other species is a good thing, and we need to extend that advantage as much as possible.