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Shepard Quest Mk V, Base of Operations (ME/MCU)

Leingod said:
Depending on the timeline, no he isn't (loyal to the STG, that is. He's a salarian no matter how old he is). Besides, I'd let Mordin look at our tech long before I'd let Cerberus do it, which we've already done and in fact have basically handed them many, many samples of our work to study at their leisure.
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This is...15 years before canon? He's still STG.
 
Leingod said:
Depending on the timeline, no he isn't (loyal to the STG, that is. He's a salarian no matter how old he is). Besides, I'd let Mordin look at our tech long before I'd let Cerberus do it, which we've already done and in fact have basically handed them many, many samples of our work to study at their leisure.
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cerberus are working to aid humanity, Mordin is still a salarian and likely loyal to the salarian government.
 
Yog said:
So... you'd prefer a perpetual state of slavery and subjugation to some social, and, possibly, genetic engineering? To me, it fails both on moral and on practical standpoints, as the amount of resources needed to keep Yagh perpetually subjugated... At this point, why even allow them into space? Destroy their space research facilities and military, repeat as needed. It's a drain on resources, yes, but it's better than keeping them subjugated in perpetuity.
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actually the Yahg think in terms of Dominance, from their point of view we wouldn't even be wronging them, though yes genetic modification may be better if it's practical
 
Carrnage said:
cerberus are working to aid humanity, Mordin is still a salarian and likely loyal to the salarian government.
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Cerberus is a literal terrorist organization (whose leader is secretly indoctrinated and whose methods include committing various and sundry horribly illegal and immoral experiments and war crimes, but we don't know that part yet), Mordin is an operative working for a lawful government that just happens to be a different one.
EDIT: To be clear, I'm not saying I want to show Mordin our stuff while he's still in the STG. In fact we should probably hold that off until long after we've gotten his loyalty. I'm just saying I'd trust him with knowing when and how a technology should be used more than anyone affiliated with Cerberus.
 
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Leingod said:
Cerberus is a literal terrorist organization (whose leader is secretly indoctrinated and whose methods include committing various and sundry horribly illegal and immoral experiments and war crimes, but we don't know that part yet), Mordin is an operative working for a lawful government that just happens to be a different one.
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Speaking of could we use neural interfaces to treat mental/neurological disorders?
 
Carrnage said:
why not?

if you're worried about abuse once we get FRM to Flawless we can set hard limits.
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Even assuming straightforward physical causes for all such disorders, and a detailed understanding of neurochemistry and physiology sufficient to understand such things, that interface doesn't have any means of correcting those things.

And those are big assumptions. Even if the second is handwaved, the first is more difficult to do so.

Edit...and yes, that is before I get into thinking about using implants to determine/alter how people should think, even if curing disorders is the goal.
 
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Van Ropen said:
Even assuming straightforward physical causes for all such disorders, and a detailed understanding of neurochemistry and physiology sufficient to understand such things, that interface doesn't have any means of correcting those things.
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at the very least it's an unrivaled diagnosis tool due to being able to monitor and understand brain signals in real time.
And those are big assumptions. Even if the second is handwaved, the first is more difficult to do so.
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Well we could shelve it until we improve FRM but i'm asking if it's a doable goal in the first place.
Edit...and yes, that is before I get into thinking about using implants to determine/alter how people should think, even if curing disorders is the goal
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That is mostly a security concern, we just need to be careful about it.
 
Carrnage said:
at the very least it's an unrivaled diagnosis tool due to being able to monitor and understand brain signals in real time.

Well we could shelve it until we improve FRM but i'm asking if it's a doable goal in the first place.

That is mostly a security concern, we just need to be careful about it.
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I don't think is much of a diagnostic tool - the diagnostic tech no doubt existed before we made our interface. In fact, it had to given canon tech.

No, I don't think it is doable. The interface simulates stimuli, that doesn't allow it to alter neurochemistry without compromising function. Now, ME rapes the life sciences just as hard as the physical ones, so maybe we can argue for a better understanding of the pathophysiology of neurological disorders in general - but those will have their own treatments. I don't see why our implant would feature into things.

Even if we consider that the advanced implant allows full on enhancement of neurological function, and what that implies...that is still an entirely different beast to treating disorders with the implant.

...which is, frankly, very inefficient to begin with. Why would such things not be treated with surgery, chemical regimens, or NANOMACHINES? (...yup, my autocorrect still puts that in all caps. Fucking technology, man). The issue with treatment is understanding the mechanisms, and then allowing for alteration to the components of a mechanism without disrupting other parts of the system - those are both required for the implant to have the capability in the first place, the implant doesn't grant those.
 
Leingod said:
1. The asari are cracking open their secret prothean beacon to look for a way to figure out our arc reactor technology, and the STG has a sample they're studying for the same purpose. They'll figure out how they work sooner or later, and when that happens it's only a matter of time before they're building their own. We can either patent it to make sure that any attempts at making knock-offs are illegal and we have a say in who gets their hands on them, or we don't patent it, so that either the asari or the salarians work it out and get the patent and can then sell them to whoever they want.
2. Humanity are members of the Citadel, we are a Citadel species. They are not the enemy and it is very unlikely that we will end up in open war with anyone save the batarians, who have already left the Citadel. Yes, it's a good thing to have the technological edge, but hoarding all kinds of super-advanced tech and building up our military looks both anti-social and suspicious as all hell, and will probably cause more problems than it solves. If you're so worried about keeping an edge, then just keep all new inventions Alliance-only for a year or two and then give it to the Citadel, and improve blackboxing once we make it to the serious game-changers like particle guns so they have to buy it straight from Paragon Industries.
3. Where is the evidence that the other races are "moving against us?" Are you talking about Benezia getting them to work on building their own arc reactors and the STG working on a sample? Because that's a.) not really any kind of hostile action, it's just ordinary politics, b.) seems to pretty much exactly what the "keep arc reactors Alliance-only" people would do in that situation, and c.) that's OOC knowledge right there. Oh sure, we know they're all trying to figure out how to make their own, but we haven't had commandos trying to assassinate us or STG hacking us, so they've done nothing that Revy Shepard would call "hostile," unless she still thinks Liara is a spy sent by her mom, which she's not and we don't.
4. In canon the laws regarding the allocations of resources and how much influence on that the Council has seems poorly defined. The Citadel were able to give the Alliance permission to colonize the Skyllian Verge over the batarians and deny the quarians a planet in favor of the elcor on the grounds that its gravity suited them better, but it's also canon that both planets and the resources on them can be claimed on a "first come first serve" basis. One of the longest-running sidequests in ME1 was finding and claiming resources for the Alliance which is just a process of seeing it and basically slapping a beacon on it that says "MINE!", and Jacob Taylor's dad was on a merchant vessel whose specific job was to find planets and resources to claim them in the name of the Alliance. I'll need clarification before I can agree that we're in any kind of "struggle over resources" with with any Citadel race, especially since we've already got several colonies and the rights to colonize the Verge.
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No, why would they figure out their own version if we have already released a version of the Arc Tech to the Citadel, we would be the only ones to know that said Arc tech is less powerful then the ones we sell to humanity.

They will have no reason to devote resources to reverse-engineer something that is already commercially available, so how will they discover that the ones we sell in Citadel Space are less powerful ?

You also seem to be missing the point that not only is Humanity not a big fish in citadel space and thus is bound to sanctions imposed by the big 3 if they want. They may not do it, but the point is that they have the power and authority to enforce their will over us, that is a point of vulnerability which keeping the Full powered Arc Tech to humanity can counter because it gives us a ace up our sleeve, instead of trusting them with the equivalent of our gamechanger.

You're also missing the point that by selling the Arc Tech to any random person, we're opening up the path to companies developing their own Arc Tech gear and selling it to the highest bidder, which means the Alliance's current advantage is lost or marginalized because everyone will have Arc Tech.

Politically speaking, just the info about Arc Tech is a hugh weapon because if we do not patent it or just disclose news about it, it is essentially something Humanity only, which means that if they want that tech, they have to give concessions to humanity so that we would be willing to bring the idea of spreading Arc Tech to the table. Hell,if i had my druthers, i would have voted for putting in a booby-trap under the casing of the Arc Tech, so that any attempts of tampering with it causes a explosion.

And before someone mentions some bullshit about the STG reverse-engineering the Arc Tech and spreading it, we can actually do stuff like call a press conference and spread word about it, along with adding that we would not be willing to spread said tech in citadel space till humanity gets so and so concessions.

No matter what, the other races are not humans, Looking out for our race should be Number 1 especially since humanity's postion in the Citadel Hierarchy is pretty low.
 
And before someone mentions some bullshit about the STG reverse-engineering the Arc Tech and spreading it, we can actually do stuff like call a press conference and spread word about it, along with adding that we would not be willing to spread said tech in citadel space till humanity gets so and so concessions.
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"Aww, look at that adorable Human whining about the STG reverse engineering tech they wouldn't share.
*snickers*
Moving on to things that matter..."

Humanity doesn't demand concessions. It doesn't have the power, or the right to. Trying to keep the Arc Reactor a secret (an impossibility) is counterproductive to its goals (and counterproductive to ours).


Nobody said we aren't looking out for number one. You know the best way to do that? Share the Mk. 1, let them play with it while we move on to the Mk. 2, earn goodwill, climb the corporate ladder boyo.
 
[x] Building Better Babies. Distribute your new procedures as widely as you can, making Humanity stronger, faster, smarter and prettier. Also pissing off the companies that are making a killing doing this for the rich and powerful.
-[x] Work with those of alliance governments who have free medical care and mandatory inoculations to spread your advancements as far as possible (and for political capital)
-[X] Provide free treatment to cure genetic disease in children.

[x] File. Let them see what we can do, and let them then shut up and give us their money.
-[X] But have your people go over any changes in Citadel patent law first. Hire a specialist if needs be.
- [X] Patent it intelligently. As in leave out some key parts but leave enough in that anyone making an arc reactor would have to have those pieces also to make it work.

[x] Have your own advanced implant installed (Tempestas).
-[X] Ask if Rahna would be willing to be hired as your tutor for you
-[X] Offer at cost replacements for all L2 Biotics. Have Rahna as a spokes person if she agrees.
[x] Ask your mother to help you set up an expansive training-regimen for you and Brian; fitness, hand-to-hand and ranged combat, piloting your suit, etc. Hopefully this should give you a more comprehensive skillset than the patchwork training you've done until now.

[X] Advanced Fire Control VI (400)
60d10 + 120 = 98.85% chance of completion
[X] Advanced Black boxing/FRM (439/800)
60d10 + 70 = 96.21 % chance of completion
[X] Miniaturized Lasers (400)
20D10+20+Overflow
 
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Dude, you're not convincing anybody. Back off for a day, gather your arguments and try again. And please bring something that doesn't sound like it was pulled out of a Terra Firma recruitment packet. Because
Mochinator said:
No matter what, the other races are not humans, Looking out for our race should be Number 1 especially since humanity's postion in the Citadel Hierarchy is pretty low.
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is the exact argument that Ash made in the first game when she was still racist and ended up admitting that it was wrong. We named our company Paragon Industries. We're not going to go super renegade don't trust the filthy xenos.
 
Yog said:
Superconductors lose their superconductivity if they are put in a too strong a magnetic field. This includes the field generated by current passing through them. The field generated by 40 TW of electricity is insane.
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That. Wasn't me... :confused:


Thus, the total fuel injection rate in ITER is going to be about 0.16 grams per second (or, according to this source that is probably far more correct, not having done this on the back of their hand while having breakfast, 0.26 grams per second). Note that this is a complete speed of fuel injection, not the rate of the fuel burn. For that, you'll need to divide by at least two, likely more. So, to have a 386 grams burnt per second? Take ITER, upscale it at least 1000 times. Now, try to imagine that thing. It's HUGE.
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Not really. I'll admit I don't know the first thing about fusion technology however it's important to remember that not only did they shrink fusion technology to the point it fit on spaceships they, from what I understand, did it before they found Mass Effect technology.

So I can absolutely see them having 80TW of power generation in combat.

That is why Arc reactors are so revolutionary. The power density in them is insane.
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Our 40TW reactor is 8,000 times more powerful then our standard Arc Reactor. So assuming it scales by volume, which the number seems to imply, that's form an Arc Reactor 2m to 3m in diameter.

Lets assume for arguments sake that the front of the Everast is 10m by 10m (which seems really small in comparison) by 888 (size of the main gun, the actual ship would be bigger) that gives her a total volume of 88,800 cubic meters.

If we assume that 5% of the ship's volume is spent on the reactor(s), reasonable in my opinion given that it's basically a ship built to fire the main gun, that gives a volume of 4,400 cubic meters.

The 40TW arc reactor, assuming a perfect sphere which it isn't, has a volume of 113 cubic meters. Double that for two reactors and it's 226 cubic meters.

That makes the Arc Reactor 19.46 times more size efficient and that's assuming a really narrow ship. Especially since they mention that on the Kilamanjaro the broadsides are 40% of the ships width.

So lets say we up use the Nimitz as the scale. A Nimitz class is 332.8m long, 76.8 m wide and 12.5m high. That's a ratio of 23% width-to-length and 4% height-to-length.

If we assume that the Everest is 900m, 888m is the length of the accelerator after all, that gives a width of 207m and a height of 36m for a total volume of 6,706,800 and a Reactor volume of 335,340 cubic meters or 1,484 times larger then the equivalent in Arc Reactor.

As a side note ITER is, apparently anyway, 840 cubic meters so a thousand times that is 840,000 cubic meters. ~260 years and Space Magic Eezo is more then enough to justify a top of the line military reactor been 40% the size.
 
Stroth said:
Dude, you're not convincing anybody. Back off for a day, gather your arguments and try again. And please bring something that doesn't sound like it was pulled out of a Terra Firma recruitment packet. Because

is the exact argument that Ash made in the first game when she was still racist and ended up admitting that it was wrong. We named our company Paragon Industries. We're not going to go super renegade don't trust the filthy xenos.
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Terra firma has a point, The council never even investigated when human colonies were attacked by batarian slavers, we owe them no loyalty.
 
Van Ropen said:
It isn't. We need Advanced Fire Control VI, that's nonnegotiable. Since Gladius design A was chosen, we need to grab Advanced Blackboxing to keep Repulsors out of Cerberus hands.

That leaves a single project that won't be completed. At the moment, there is a split between Minitaurized Lasers (since a few hopes we could put some bonuses together and snag it for the context) or Peak Human (who...just want that I guess).
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Peak Human I can understand because we need it for personal protection also.

What we need to do after finishing that is Mk.II armor. We do need it for our own protection and we also need the reactor tech which is after it for higher tier energy weapons.

Btw, why remove particle weaponry totally? Couldn't we make it third branch?
 
It wasn't removed - originally it was a branch off of laser weaponry, now it's a third branch requiring miniaturized lasers and basic repulsors.
 
Peak Human + Brian + Mum's Training = shoe-in for the N programme... maybe even N7 (He could be the star of ME1) and us part of his team.
 
Carrnage said:
Terra firma has a point, The council never even investigated when human colonies were attacked by batarian slavers, we owe them no loyalty.
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You mean the raids in the Attican Traverse? An area that is explicitly outside of Council protection because it straddles the border between Council space and the Terminus systems? The area where the Council explicitly told humanity "You can settle there if you want to but it's not safe and we won't be able to send in help if you get in trouble"?

[sarcasm]Yeah, how dare they polity warn us ahead of time that any colonies there would be outside of Council jurisdiction and suggest that we be careful? It's totally their fault that the Alliance didn't pay attention to the warnings.[/sarcasm]
 
Stroth said:
You mean the raids in the Attican Traverse? An area that is explicitly outside of Council protection because it straddles the border between Council space and the Terminus systems? The area where the Council explicitly told humanity "You can settle there if you want to but it's not safe and we won't be able to send in help if you get in trouble"?

[sarcasm]Yeah, how dare they polity warn us ahead of time that any colonies there would be outside of Council jurisdiction and suggest that we be careful? It's totally their fault that the Alliance didn't pay attention to the warnings.[/sarcasm]
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If the Attack was from terminus powers that would be true, however we know and the council likely knew that the batarian government were behind it.
 
Carrnage said:
If the Attack was from terminus powers that would be true, however we know and the council likely knew that the batarian government were behind it.
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Prove it. There's lots of Batarian pirates not involved with the Hegemony. And they can't send in a group to grab the raiders because it would start shit with the Terminus.
 
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