Van Ropen
Angry, angry about elves.
Yeah, I just meant they weren't even phased by a spectre employing a nuke. it is probably perfectly commonplace given a large enough target.
Shepard Quest Mk V, Base of Operations (ME/MCU)
- Thread starter Esbilon
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Chargone
Invisable operator
- Location
- New Zealand
Actually the flag of their (perfectly legit) biggest front company, which produces a lot of SA military hardware and had a hand in building the Normandy SR-1 (hence how they got the data for the SR-2).
Or at least, so I'm lead to believe. (Might be misremembering something quest specific, but i don't Think so...)
Yeah, but you don't want to have to admit that to the press when they've got a twenty page casualty list.
Van Ropen
Angry, angry about elves.
Good think you never have to! "Who set off that nuke? Terrorists sir. We have classified information proving it. No, we cannot provide that data, it is part of an ongoing investigation by the special tactics and reconnaissance office. Damn terrorists." ...assuming of course the spectre is associated with the explosion at all.
It was supposed to be the Cord-Hislop logo - except everyone and their fucking mother ID'd it as Cerberus, so I have to question the point. If CH is supposed to be a front company, why is all their actual Cerberus stuff using its logo? Would that not compromise things?
I hesitate to ask this, but could we please make Cerberus less stupid for the purposes of this quest? I'm getting really tired of taking this group seriously when there are so many glaring problems. They're somewhat xenophobic (and if understand correctly more accurately pro-human) true, but they surely accomplished some good at least?
IIRC it was only in the terminus that the CHA - Cerberus link was considered defacto. For the rest of the galaxy as long as there is no hard proof CHA can just claim that Cerberus is using their logo w/o permission and as Cerberus mostly operates in the terminus they really can do shit about it; "What are we supposed to do sue the terriorists? Maybe they'll listen to a cease and desist letter.", Que laughing.
Also recall at the current time Cerberus is an SA black ops arm, still of questionable legality and morality, but technically an SA op.
Because Cerberus. Is. Stupid. Almost early Bond villain stupid.
No, actually, thinking about that, I'm wrong. They are exactly as stupid as Bond villains. They are in fact Bond villains in space. There is no difference.
Yes. That would be nice.
I remember thinking during the final choice of ME2:
"Do I really want to give this thing to those guys? Everything they've ever studied has ended up escaping and killing everything in the base. Hell even I ended up escaping and killing almost everything in their base when they brought me make."
It is a well worn joke but if Canon!Cerberus did end up studying a Taco Cart it would end up escaping and killing everyone in the base.
Personally I think the issue was that Bioware pushed the moral "Racism is Bad!" far too hard.
We all know that Racism, and Speciesism, is bad but from Cerberus' words, not their actions, along with most the sane "racists" their point seemed to be not "Aliens are Evil and we should kill them all" but "Aliens are Aliens and will almost always put their own best interests before ours."
Which is a very valid argument. After all if you look at it from the more accurate national standpoint rather then the racism angle then no one would really have an issue with it.
When America and the UK work together they both expect that both sides will prioritize their own best interests but that doesn't mean they can't work together or that they'll try and screw the other over.
I think Mass Effect would have gained some more depth if instead of going for the "racism is double plus ungood!" moral but instead focused on the dichotomy of the Paragon/Alliance everyone can work together for the good of everyone (Star Trek style) vs. the Renegade/Cerberus focusing on their (humanities) best interests (B5 / In the Pale Moonlight style).
That's something I'd like to see in this quest. A competent Cerberus with realistic goals and justifications that make it a real choice between
Carrnage
Human
- Location
- New Zealand
Ahem:
Also, that's reaper-tech. Which ended up killing all of their guys everywhere.
- Location
- Budapest, Hungary
Well, at least in vanilla ME2, Cerberus did not had mayor screw ups.
They:
They:
- resurrected Shepard
- built Normady SR-2
- made a competent ans mostly sane AI(her sense of humor is interesting)
- manged to recult come really component persons
Van Ropen
Angry, angry about elves.
Presumably, they succeeded far more often than they failed. That just makes sense.
It's just...Bioware couldn't into sense, or non-cartoon villains.
Van Ropen
Angry, angry about elves.
By the shadow broker! Not their own fuck up, for once,
Carrnage
Human
- Location
- New Zealand
Who got lose and started killing all of their guys.
Which got hijacked and used to kill all of their guys. Also, Cortez made a point of explaining just how stupid some of their design decisions were.
Who got lose, filled their servers with porn and started killing all of their guys. Also, they took a murderous AI, installed it into parts from an omnicidal AI and got someone perfectly polite and pleasant. That's, like, some kind of recursive fuckup right there.
Who helped hijack the Normandy for use in killing all of their guys.
You keep saying that, and then you keep failing to provide any kind of evidence whatsoever. Success is not a requirement to keep going if you have rich fanatics on your side. Henry Lawson alone could fund Cerberus for years.
So canon question, do we know anything about commercial space flight? When Revy wants to go to Earth with her shiny new IFVs, presumably she would make use of such transportation, but I know nothing about the size of the ships, the price of travel, and the amount of protection such a ship has. I can of course just pull stuff out of my ass (probably based on B5 where we have quite a bit of information), but I prefer sticking to canon.
As for Cerberus, I will try making them competent, but they do have some canon stuff going on, so there are limits to what I can achieve. Well, supposedly, their Rachni experiment will go better when there isn't a human Spectre around to fuck them over.
Anti-matter production is hard. Very hard. Where by "hard" I mean "inefficient." Ships do not spend their anti-matter fuel all the time, only in extreme situations. Using Arc Reactors to boost production with existing facilities to increase the amount of energy they have around is of course a useful thing to do, but looking into anti matter production itself might also be a worthy use of Revy's time. If nothing else, it's great for making very small, very deadly bombs.
As for Cerberus, I will try making them competent, but they do have some canon stuff going on, so there are limits to what I can achieve. Well, supposedly, their Rachni experiment will go better when there isn't a human Spectre around to fuck them over.
Anti-matter production is hard. Very hard. Where by "hard" I mean "inefficient." Ships do not spend their anti-matter fuel all the time, only in extreme situations. Using Arc Reactors to boost production with existing facilities to increase the amount of energy they have around is of course a useful thing to do, but looking into anti matter production itself might also be a worthy use of Revy's time. If nothing else, it's great for making very small, very deadly bombs.
I imagine that would be something branching off Improved Warheads?
With a justification along the lines of after Revy spending a lot of time and money fiddling with the anti-matter for the warhead she's decided to make the process less of a pain.