Shepard Quest Mk V, Base of Operations (ME/MCU)

[x] Building Better Babies. Distribute your new procedures as widely as you can, making Humanity stronger, faster, smarter and prettier. Also pissing off the companies that are making a killing doing this for the rich and powerful.
-[x] Work with those of alliance governments who have free medical care and mandatory inoculations to spread your advancements as far as possible (and for political capital)
-[X] Provide free treatment to cure genetic disease in children.

[x] File. Let them see what we can do, and let them then shut up and give us their money.
-[X] But have your people go over any changes in Citadel patent law first. Hire a specialist if needs be.

[x] Have your own advanced implant installed (Tempestas).
-[X] Ask if Rahna would be willing to be hired as your tutor for you
-[X] Offer at cost replacements for all L2 Biotics. Have Rahna as a spokes person if she agrees.
[x] Ask your mother to help you set up an expansive training-regimen for you, Brian and your security teams; fitness, hand-to-hand and ranged combat, piloting your suit, etc. Hopefully this should give you a more comprehensive skillset than the patchwork training you've done until now.

[x] Advanced Black boxing/FRM (439/800) (60d10 + 75)
[x] Advanced Fire Control VI (400) (70d10 + 70)
[x] Peak Human (400) (10d10+65) (Overflow)
 
I don't really think that's how it works, especially since it'd be stupid on the Citadel's part, too, given that this way any Terminus warlord with an Extranet account could start building their own reactors.
I'm actually quite sure it is. You certainly have to tell them enough so that any "it's not an arc reactor, promise" that pops up can be compared to the patent by an independent observer.

As for what's stopping any terminus warlord with an extranet account: expertise and infrastructure.
 
Well you used it as evidence for 'thieving' and I haven't seen you call the other groups out on it, so how was I supposed to know you prefer the white hat? And as for Low War as a whole? It is no more morally wrong then High War, its just can be less bloody at times.
We are not talking about other groups. We are talking about Quarians. Quarians who are not and have never been at war with the Hierarchy or the Alliance. Quarians who lost any possible moral high ground when they started a war of aggression with their stolen tech against a group that had not made any aggressive actions toward them.
 
I'm actually quite sure it is. You certainly have to tell them enough so that any "it's not an arc reactor, promise" that pops up can be compared to the patent by an independent observer.

As for what's stopping any terminus warlord with an extranet account: expertise and infrastructure.
We need to give the Citadel Bureaucracy the information, yes, but what I meant is that they don't make it *that* easily available to others, such as rival corporations.
 
We need to give the Citadel Bureaucracy the information, yes, but what I meant is that they don't make it *that* easily available to others, such as rival corporations.
According to the wikipedia article: "A patent (/ˈpætənt/ or /ˈpeɪtənt/) is a set of exclusive rights granted by a sovereign state to an inventor or assignee for a limited period of time in exchange for detailed public disclosure of an invention." I read 'public disclosure' as 'tell people how it's made and how it works.' If anyone knows more than that about patent laws, please enlighten the rest of us :)
 
I'm actually quite sure it is. You certainly have to tell them enough so that any "it's not an arc reactor, promise" that pops up can be compared to the patent by an independent observer.

As for what's stopping any terminus warlord with an extranet account: expertise and infrastructure.

It is possible to file a patent by only filing on a critical component that lets the rest of the device work, that way the rest of the design is still hidden and if someone does copy you can tell their using a derivative or copy of that component as it wouldn't function without it.
 
You think using black market contacts to steal Top Secret Alliance/Hierarchy military designs is morally okay?

I wouldn't consider buying (or just asking for) the designs from Liara 100% morally or legally okay without knowing the details of the deal. Hell we don't really know the details of how Garrus got the Thranix cannon specs, could have been above board or completely illegal. I was just using those as alternative ways for Tali to get the tech other then stealing it directly from the Normandy. I would not consider those the best examples of morally okay route no, sorry not the best way of writing out my thoughts.

All we know is poof ME3 roll around and the quarians have a stealth ship and thranix cannons. (I feel its worth nothing that thranix cannons appear to be public domain tech at the time of ME3 so not much of an issue). As for the stealth tech. Shepard was a Spectre, if he/she said Tali could have it it is both legally okay (Yay! Spectre ignore all the laws power!), and as long as the Quarians we're not enemies or inclined to do harm, it'd be morally okay to me as well. Or they might have made a trade with the SA or something, Quarians have lots of data on the Geth, that trick to pull data from a destroyed Geth quite literally saved the galaxy.

Of course morally okay is a personally evaluation in the end. Can you in no way see a reasonable possible way for the Quarians to have the tech that'd be morally (not legally but morally) okay to you?

Legally okay is it own giant mess, well unless Shepard is involved then it's simple.

That's not considering that the Quarian may have just developed there own version of the tech, the text says "similar" to the Normandy not identical. The Quarians do have their own R&D system and once the tech is proven they can attempt to develop their own copy. I hear the Quarians are good engineers. The actual text of the ship is extremely vague, and tells us little. It doesn't even actually tell us that the ship has Normandy style stealth.

According to the wikipedia article: "A patent (/ˈpætənt/ or /ˈpeɪtənt/) is a set of exclusive rights granted by a sovereign state to an inventor or assignee for a limited period of time in exchange for detailed public disclosure of an invention." I read 'public disclosure' as 'tell people how it's made and how it works.' If anyone knows more than that about patent laws, please enlighten the rest of us :)

I don't claim to be an expert, but for a physical device you have to give a schematic for comparison, you don't technically have to tell anyone how to make it or exactly how it works. Though including how one operates it does help. Looking at a patent in the US patent database it mostly a description of the physical properties of the device.

Of course it depend on Citadel law, they may requite a schematic, a production process, and/or a section on the science of its operation. However the minimum for a device patent in general is the design for the device nothing more nothing less.
 
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We are not talking about other groups. We are talking about Quarians. Quarians who are not and have never been at war with the Hierarchy or the Alliance. Quarians who lost any possible moral high ground when they started a war of aggression with their stolen tech against a group that had not made any aggressive actions toward them.
The Alliance, nor the other Council Races, never fought a war with the Salarians either, but that never stopped them from spying on everybody for their tech and making sure the Krogan were kept low. As for the war in 3, one would easily argue about a lack of aggressive actions from the Geth, the main problem the Geth has is bad PR and terrible communication skills and when you add three centuries of bitter resentment, poor treatment and paranoia all one then needs is a reason, que the Heretics. The Quarians fighting a war with the Geth with tech they had to obtain through less official means because they were desperate is no more inherently immoral then anything we see any of the other polities committing during the games, in fact it is less so since they only want to use it to go home and not cause wanted slaughter (see Genophage), they didn't know that the Geth weren't their enemies and that they could have returned at any time they wished.

Further, spying the name of the game when you get into foreign affairs, but you used it as proof in reguards to their reputation as 'thieving' space!gypsies, which is a false conclusion, not because it isn't wrong or immoral, thievery and spying has much the same tools of the trade (see Letters of Marque), its because everybody does it and it is accepted as such, the double standard here is that when caught in the act you see it as proof that the Quarians are thieves and not that they play the same game as everybody else (see STG and their Stealth Dreadnoughts). The source of their reputation is that people claim they stole items from them not on the governmental scale, but on the personal scale, now how much of this is true and how much of it people picking on the Quarians to squeeze them for something is unknown and not the point of this argument. You cannot use for evidence to support your argument actions that you would have considered differently if they were, and they had been, committed by other parties, the STG aren't 'thieves' for getting their hands on stealth the way they did, nor is Cerberus (no matter how much we want them to be).

If the Quarians got the tech in question from Tali, who may have spied on her friends and crewmates, unlikely considering Quarian culture by this point though still possible with the right justification, or it was gifted to her, which makes it literally not stealing, or they have spies in places we simply don't know about, which puts them in the same category as the STG. So tell me then, why is it wrong that the Quarians play the same game everybody else plays?
 
Also about the whole 'replicating the Thanix cannon' thing, check this out: Magneto Hydrodynamic Explosive Munition

Read the description: It's practically the Thanix Cannon in bullet/missile form.

So it might be possible that the Quarians actually saw the Alliance/Turians using the Thanix cannon, and along with hints from Tali built their own versions.

I mean, some of the guns I saw in the CG in ME3 made it look like a few of their guns were made from scrap....
 
Having experts on staff is a gimmick? Since when? Does that mean that Conrad shouldn't be providing any sort of benefit to our research then? I really want to know this. Or is it just because they are alien and the rest of the human staff won't work with them? Seriously, please expand upon this notion of yours that when we expand to shipbuilding, whenever that is, that experts, or to use the term in the action list Research Hero, is an obvious gimmick that has no benefit.
What experts? What the hell are you talking about? Who are these magical Turian shipbuilding geniuses, and why would they work for us?

There is nothing that says the Turians are that much better than building ships than others, other then some vague references in canon to Turian involvement in the Normandy's construction...which I should point out, isn't very special outside the tech the Alliance brought to the table. Either way, random fucks we hire aren't going to be getting us that expertise. It took the Alliance making stealth tech, a galactic first at that point, a joint project to get access to that information. Hiring a bunch of turians and quarians in the interest of looking politically correct and getting superior shipbuilding technology? It is stupid, out of character, ineffective for the stated purpose, and any retard would see it for what it was - a publicity stunt.

After spending the last three hundred years needing to scavenge for everything you'd need to get by, I'm sure your people would be just as dickish. Of course, in Mass Effect everyone is a dick so what do you expect when you see an obvious downward spiral of ill treatment that only reinforces further ill treatment, and that goes for all parties involved between the Quarians and the Citadel.

For the record, I'm not talking about morality. I couldn't give less of a shit.

But the Quarians are at least hinted as being a real menace in someways - causing environmental damage to places the Migrant Fleet passes by, depreciating labor wherever they go, dumping their criminals on other planets, having an entire culture based on taking from these filthy gaijin and bringing stuff back to strengthen the fleet...it is all perfectly understandable, just like it is perfectly understandable why they are hated.

...why are the Quarians being compared to the STG? And why is it an issue anyways? The Quarians stole the tech - fine. The STG stole the tech - fine. That is just expected, what are people whining about?

I was just saying "oh hire all these aliens but have good security" is dumb. You want to hire aliens? Fine. I expected to do so as well when the company was big enough and we move out beyond Alliance space. But importing a bunch, to no real effect outside a negative one within the Alliance? Dumb.

Which thanks to the tech tree we've taken, we can, but it is less about helping them then it is building better ships.
You know, this reminds me. Why do you (and people in general) think every quarian is a super-engineer? Even if we did hire some, why would they have access to the Migrant Fleet's most valuable blueprints, and why would they share that expertise with us?

You want access to that stuff? Easy - keep going with the biotech tree, get a research hero, and solve the immune system issue. Suddenly, settling down isn't a problem for them, and the migrant fleet is re-purposed into a real one. That tech is suddenly nowhere near as valuable, and they are very thankful. Certainly better than hiring shmucks to work in our factory to no real effect.
 
You want access to that stuff? Easy - keep going with the biotech tree, get a research hero, and solve the immune system issue. Suddenly, settling down isn't a problem for them, and the migrant fleet is re-purposed into a real one. That tech is suddenly nowhere near as valuable, and they are very thankful. Certainly better than hiring shmucks to work in our factory to no real effect.

I agree this part. Get the immune system problem fixed, then wahoo! We practically get the entire Quarian race thanking us and probably a few star systems as well when they realise that mean the Migrant Fleet might actually settle down somewhere.

...I can tell you thing, though. Considering all the trouble the Quarians are having with their immune systems, I'm glad ours is genetic so we don't get problems like that.
 
I agree this part. Get the immune system problem fixed, then wahoo! We practically get the entire Quarian race thanking us and probably a few star systems as well when they realise that mean the Migrant Fleet might actually settle down somewhere.

...I can tell you thing, though. Considering all the trouble the Quarians are having with their immune systems, I'm glad ours is genetic so we don't get problems like that.
Well, obviously their immune system is genetic, it...

I just started typing a long post bitching about how they make no sense, but then I realized it was pointless. Fuck it.
 
Well, obviously their immune system is genetic, it...

I just started typing a long post bitching about how they make no sense, but then I realized it was pointless. Fuck it.

Actually it's supposed to be symbiotic with certain bacteria/bugs that are native to Rannoch.

Ours isn't, it's all genetic, passed down from parent to child, even immunities are passed down, even from vaccines.

The way I see the Quarian Immune system is 'it's similar to the Gou'ald/Jaffa relationship, don't think too deeply about possible brain bleach/body horror'.
 
Well, obviously their immune system is genetic, it...

I just started typing a long post bitching about how they make no sense, but then I realized it was pointless. Fuck it.
Ooh! Did it include the part where allergic reactions are caused by having an overly active immune system, so their entire biology is apparently insane? Because that's a fun one.
 
Actually it's supposed to be symbiotic with certain bacteria/bugs that are native to Rannoch.

Ours isn't, it's all genetic, passed down from parent to child, even immunities are passed down, even from vaccines.

The way I see the Quarian Immune system is 'it's similar to the Gou'ald/Jaffa relationship, don't think too deeply about possible brain bleach/body horror'.
Yeah, but that doesn't make sense with their current condition. If they evolved to be used to a certain number of foreign bodies/infectious agents entering the body, why are they currently in a position when almost anything entering triggers their version of anaphylactic shock? Currently, they apparently treat damn near everything as an antigen and are thus stuck in suits...why?

Hell, it should be the opposite.

Those suits didn't exist on Rannoch, and I don't see why they would start wearing them on their own ships. It makes no fucking sense at all.

Ooh! Did it include the part where allergic reactions are caused by having an overly active immune system, so their entire biology is apparently insane? Because that's a fun one.
God help me.
 
Spare time
Spend time Family and Friends exercising.

You know besides the weighty backpack that sounds crazy fun. Also I can just picture Brian's thoughts; "Revy, Best Girlfriend Ever!"

Because your not going to run into too many hot genius teenage girls* willing and eager to do basically military training with you.

*Especially considering Revy is also insanely rich, 4m of personal cash and 90% stake in a company worth over two billion dollers, and a literal hero who saved the lives of basically everyone he knows.


"Fear the wrath of Lord Shahanti!" Kasumi cries with the enthusiasm only found in children and childish souls. Which of those you are is a question that you find yourself very hard-pressed to care about as you give out your own fearsome war cry, "waaagh! Bozz Shepkoz will crush your skull!" However, not even such a ferocious sound is enough to deter the reptilian alien that Kasumi has thought up. You have to give her credit you think to yourself as the two models tear into each other, chainsaw katana meeting a heavy choppa. The 'Shaktar' is a large reptilian creature with a myriad of fleshy tentacles spilling forth from its horned skull like claw-tipped dreadlocks, and crimson scales covered in futuristic armor.

Shepard Quest - In which Rebecca Shepard wins the award for Best Big Sister Ever! and Kasumi continues to be adorable.



Who wants to bet Cerberus, if not the Alliance, keeps a (small) fleet of ships near Mindoir for Revy's protection? We have so far given then the most advanced personal armor yet, the most advanced fighter yet, completely revolutionized power generation and we've now just changed the face of human biotics forever.

After all now your not just stuck with a single implant but instead you can swap your implant whenever a better one shows up. Amusingly enough this is basically the Paragon Universal Hardpoint adapted for the brain.

When she comes to after her surgery a few days later, however, her face is lit up by one of the warmest smiles you have ever seen. It suits her face so perfectly, that you can't help but wonder why you never saw it before. When she returns to the testing, she is a changed woman, not only is she stronger in every way, her powers come more effortlessly to her now. As she says it, "you have tamed the storm, Shepard."

We've also won the love and adoration of basically every L2 biotic out there.

Oh and Cerberus. They were complaining that Humanity did have strong enough biotics well our implant is stronger then L2s and one of those let Kaiden, apparently, reach Asari levels. Just imagine Jack with one of our implants.

Speaking of biotics that's something that, once we get a bio-med expert, we could research. We know that every Asari has biotic ability but there is no mention of them suffering from tumors or other negative side effects. So we could engineer that ability into humans, so that children exposed are no longer stillborn or die horribly.

You were born the standard way; eggs from your mother were combined with sperm from your father in a lab and the resulting zygotes screened and treated for genetic defects. Then your parents picked your gender, and the best fertilized eggs matching that were inserted into your mother and just under nine months later, through the assisted miracle of birth, you were unleashed upon an unsuspecting galaxy.

I found it so hilarious when Revy called that the standard way.

Although, you realize once the excitement has abated, doing so would cut massively into the established companies' profits, and even for your own company, keeping the procedures exclusive may be more profitable.

We're already making literally billions of credits. I wouldn't be surprised if we reached 100 billion credits in income by the end of the year. Profits, while a concern, isn't our priority after all.


But it's also a little piece of outer space 10 minutes walk from your office.

That was a really nice little blurb for something as simple as building a new lab. Really loving this expanded update format.

Buy basic DEW
Christmas is a few weeks behind you when your best gift rolls into your private lab in the basement under the new house.

Because really, what more could you want for a Christmas present then a Laser Cannon?


Despite the vocal opposition of one Rear Admiral Mikhailovich

Don't worry Admiral, you'll love what we have to show you next quarter.

. Thanks to the goodly amount of technological advances provided by Paragon Industries, CHA has agreed to pay you 20%

Woo! 20% is pretty significant. Guess we really impressed them. That and the Illusive Man is probably using it as an opportunity to funnel money towards Paragon Industries. After all we are rapidly advancing Humanity up to and beyond the Aliens.

That thread has been locked.

So it has. I'd recommend just PMing Firnagzen and/or Xon and ask about it then. I know threads are still getting imported since I've seen some.

According to the wikipedia article: "A patent (/ˈpætənt/ or /ˈpeɪtənt/) is a set of exclusive rights granted by a sovereign state to an inventor or assignee for a limited period of time in exchange for detailed public disclosure of an invention." I read 'public disclosure' as 'tell people how it's made and how it works.' If anyone knows more than that about patent laws, please enlighten the rest of us :)

Basically from what I understand 'public disclosure' is more that the Citadel keeps a database of all the patents and you can search it for what your looking for.

Although something you mentioned that I want to clarify. AFAIK People can't just build your tech as long as they pay you. Anyone who wants to use your patented tech has to approach you and request the right. At which point you can say yes and tell them the price or no and that's it.

So as long as we have enough production to avoid the Citadel forcing us to license then no one can legally produce Arc Reactors. Of course anyone with the right tech can still do it illegally which is why you do what Madfish mentioned and just patent key components so they have to figure out how those components combine with all the other stuff to get a working product.
 
I want a PMC in the terminus systems soon, if only so we can hunt down anybody who tries to copy our arc reactors out there, though we have something far scarier in citadel space: Lawyers.
 
Yeah, but that doesn't make sense with their current condition. If they evolved to be used to a certain number of foreign bodies/infectious agents entering the body, why are they currently in a position when almost anything entering triggers their version of anaphylactic shock? Currently, they apparently treat damn near everything as an antigen and are thus stuck in suits...why?

Hell, it should be the opposite.

Those suits didn't exist on Rannoch, and I don't see why they would start wearing them on their own ships. It makes no fucking sense at all..

I think the 'most likely' theory that fans have come up with is this:

1: The Quarians couldn't capture enough of the bugs/bacteria they needed when they left Rannoch, which means they don't have any bugs/bacteria on their ships (explained by the clean rooms, partially).

2: When Quarians are exposed to bacteria/certain bugs/whatever, their bodies try to co-opt them into being part of their immune system, problem is, most lifeforms that can 'combine' are parasitic not symbiotic in nature, so instead of getting something helpful, they get something that leeches off them instead.

3: They have spent the past 200 years in starships, which have contained atmospheres so they don't really get exposed to that many infectious agents.

There were comments made in ME3 that it would still take a few decades for the Quarians to actually adapt back on their own homeworld. Something about 'the difference between being able to breathe fresh air in a single generation and being able to breathe fresh air four generations down the line.'

I want a PMC in the terminus systems soon, if only so we can hunt down anybody who tries to copy our arc reactors out there, though we have something far scarier in citadel space: Lawyers.

Nah, I want my 'Glorious Heritage class warship' to do it for us.

Just because there isn't like anything like rubbing in a ship that's the size of dreadnaught in their faces and getting away with it.
 
We're already making literally billions of credits. I wouldn't be surprised if we reached 100 billion credits in income by the end of the year. Profits, while a concern, isn't our priority after all.
Honestly, the PR boost from that plus subsidizing upgrades for the L2s would make us far more money in the long run than we would make by selling them at full price. And help avoid the Merchant of Death thing. Paragon Industries: Making the Galaxy a Better Place

In fact I'd like to look into making the genemods open source as an altruism thing. we can massively improve the quality of life for every human in the galaxy and we're not going to do it so we can make money instead?
 
What experts? What the hell are you talking about? Who are these magical Turian shipbuilding geniuses, and why would they work for us?

There is nothing that says the Turians are that much better than building ships than others, other then some vague references in canon to Turian involvement in the Normandy's construction...which I should point out, isn't very special outside the tech the Alliance brought to the table. Either way, random fucks we hire aren't going to be getting us that expertise. It took the Alliance making stealth tech, a galactic first at that point, a joint project to get access to that information. Hiring a bunch of turians and quarians in the interest of looking politically correct and getting superior shipbuilding technology? It is stupid, out of character, ineffective for the stated purpose, and any retard would see it for what it was - a publicity stunt.
Based on what, exactly? Really, you make these claims that we cannot find anyone who would work for us without even looking and then you claim that it will obviously be a promotion gimmick from what amounts to asspullery and raw opinion and you expect to be taken as correct? If the Council respects patent law, for a given value of 'respect', why is it impossible to believe that a company can hire experts in a given field if they happen to be of a different race? And the stated goal of hiring Turians and Quarians was not for Political Correctness, that's something you jumped on with both feet on your own, but it is to get the expertise of two races that have been building ships long then humans have been going into space. You may have a point about the Turians concerning their involvement with the Normandy, but they still have more experience building warships by this point then the Alliance, simple fact.

For the record, I'm not talking about morality. I couldn't give less of a shit.

But the Quarians are at least hinted as being a real menace in someways - causing environmental damage to places the Migrant Fleet passes by, depreciating labor wherever they go, dumping their criminals on other planets, having an entire culture based on taking from these filthy gaijin and bringing stuff back to strengthen the fleet...it is all perfectly understandable, just like it is perfectly understandable why they are hated.
An allegory for the justification of the persecution of any migrant people ever in history, isn't right, but also isn't actually fixing the problem.

...why are the Quarians being compared to the STG? And why is it an issue anyways? The Quarians stole the tech - fine. The STG stole the tech - fine. That is just expected, what are people whining about?

I was just saying "oh hire all these aliens but have good security" is dumb. You want to hire aliens? Fine. I expected to do so as well when the company was big enough and we move out beyond Alliance space. But importing a bunch, to no real effect outside a negative one within the Alliance? Dumb.
Care to expand or are you going to stick with dumb? What are you basing your conclusions off of anyway? Why do you think that there is NO ONE of value to be had, that this would negatively effect the company is the only out come to be had? The fact is, you have no evidence and are just spouting opinions at this point.

You know, this reminds me. Why do you (and people in general) think every quarian is a super-engineer? Even if we did hire some, why would they have access to the Migrant Fleet's most valuable blueprints, and why would they share that expertise with us?
So you are saying the culture that understandably developed to strengthen the Fleet now won't make deals to strengthen the Fleet? To quote you, that's dumb. Will we get their best and brightest 'super-engineers'? Probably not, but that's okay, don't really need outstanding. Will we get whatever 'valuable' blueprints they have? Also probably not, but Revy can invent more then enough to keep everybody busy so that's okay.

You want access to that stuff? Easy - keep going with the biotech tree, get a research hero, and solve the immune system issue. Suddenly, settling down isn't a problem for them, and the migrant fleet is re-purposed into a real one. That tech is suddenly nowhere near as valuable, and they are very thankful. Certainly better than hiring shmucks to work in our factory to no real effect.
Asspullery again so thus conclusion is ignored.
 
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