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.... are we going to sneak into where those ships are mothballed, and replace them with newer ones without the alliance finding out about it?
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Technically the Asari do have the ability to throw 100% of their population into the military due to every member of their race being biotic and having training at early age, wereas the Turians are basically Space!Swiss with madatory military training during high school/college.
But the Asari simply don't have the ships nor the capacity to do so because they mainly rely on light crusiers and fighter craft rather than heavy crusiers, most of the dreadnaughts they have are practically all merged into the 'sixth fleet'.
Then it becomes a question of how many Asari there are in the Galaxy...
Why would we need to sneak? We just accept a "maintenance" contract for the fleet and, when the order comes down, well hey, looks like we did a really good job at maintenance, sort of like how the Quarians "maintained" their liveships by fitting them with Thanix cannons and turning them into dreadnoughts.
As Joker said, it turns out that sticking a really big gun onto an agricultural ship does not actually magically turn it into a dreadnought.Why would we need to sneak? We just accept a "maintenance" contract for the fleet and, when the order comes down, well hey, looks like we did a really good job at maintenance, sort of like how the Quarians "maintained" their liveships by fitting them with Thanix cannons and turning them into dreadnoughts.
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just not when they also contain the majority of your population as well.
Van Ropen
Angry, angry about elves.
I don't think they do.
Just the majority of their food production capability,
Yeah, that plunge for Rannoch was really fucking stupid.
Carrnage
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the smart quarians lost died in the civil war.I don't think they do.
Just the majority of their food production capability,
Yeah, that plunge for Rannoch was really fucking stupid.
Cteatus
A Guy Who Fell Down a Hole
Was it though?
I mean Daro'Xen's jamming technique pretty much rendered Geth orbital resistance moot. At which point those 800+ meter long canons could hammer away pretty much unhampered.
By the time the Geth turn to the Reapers, the Quarians and turned the Geth computer-moon into scrap, and opened a fairly decent sized can of whoop-ass on the remaining Geth forces.
It was a stupid move because it forced the Geth into the arms of the Reapers, which the Quarians probably should have seen coming, but, without Reaper interference? I bet the Quarians would have taken back Rannoch, with only moderate losses.
Van Ropen
Angry, angry about elves.
Sure, but you don't ever put all your eggs in one basket like that when there is literally any other possibility available. They aren't sure what the Geth are going to do, and know how adaptable they are. Planning for worst case scenarios just makes sense.
Their stupid thinking got their entire civilian population pinned down in the middle of a battle.
Cteatus
A Guy Who Fell Down a Hole
If they'd shot the geth computer-moon to shit, called it even for the losses taken during the Morning War and sued for peace we'd all be calling it a brilliant plan, and good job for the Quarians for being so innovative and resourceful for finding a way to bring in Dreadnought class weaponry into their fleet and giving a giant middle finger to the Treaty of Farixen.
The stupidity was pushing so hard for genocide they forgot that when they pushed things that far, that the Geth might just sell their souls to the devil.
Van Ropen
Angry, angry about elves.
Sure, if they won it doesn't matter how they did it...even if bringing their civilian fleet with them was still an unnecessary risk.
Of course, since Bioware can't into subtlety at all, they could have sued for Rannoch before the damn war.
I don't see how they gave the middle finger to the Treaty of Farixen though.
Of course, since Bioware can't into subtlety at all, they could have sued for Rannoch before the damn war.
I don't see how they gave the middle finger to the Treaty of Farixen though.
sticking tharnx guns on the live ships.
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Um. That isn't a violation in any way. First off, they only had 3 liveships IIRC, well within the limit for any citadel race. And they were kicked out of the citadel, so they aren't even bound by it in the first place.
hey i'm not the one who said they flaunted it.
Van Ropen
Angry, angry about elves.
...you said that was a violation of the Treaty. It isn't, because 1 - they aren't a signatory and 2 - that only makes three dreadnoughts anyways.
Related:
http://blog.bioware.com/2012/02/17/alliancenewsnet3/
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i just gave the reason the person who said they flaunted it was using. Cteatus was the one who said they were giving the treaty the middle finger.
This debate is likely academic. I rather doubt the Alliance has dozens of old warships parked in orbit somewhere; they've probably had their guns removed and been retrofitted into freighters, cargo ships and colony ships. That's pretty much the only way I can see humanity going from first discovering eezo and FTL tech (2148) to a major transgalactic power in under two decades (Citadel embassy in 2165).
And no, the Quarians weren't violating the treaty, because they weren't a Citadel race. They were just making a lot of people very nervous because they were arming the civilian wing of the Migrant Fleet, giving them more armed ships than any other race. The Quarians as a race make people very nervous, and for good reason: they have the biggest fleet in the galaxy, for all that most of its ships are old and jury-rigged, and as we saw in ME2 and 3, of the five members of the Admiralty Board two of them think that the Geth can still be made back into a race of slave workers, two think the Quarians should go back to war with the Geth and wipe them all out for having the gall to ask if they have souls, and one thinks the Migrant Fleet should forget the Geth and go invade some other planet with their giant fleet of ships. For all that I love Tali, I think most of her people are kind of nuts.
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Eh. Humanity's the race that thought it was a good idea to travel to our orbiting natural satellite by strapping three people on top of an enormous bomb, and, I guess because that wasn't crazy enough, our emergency escape plan for the astronauts in case of trouble was a smaller bomb, located closer to the astronauts. We regularly hurdle down inadequately paved roads strapped onto wheeled boxes filled with gallons of flammable liquid, and through the air on flimsy aluminum missiles at even greater speeds. We set off nuclear explosions in our own biosphere, and creating artificial black holes near populated cities is what we call an "experiment". We are the gibbering, barely controlled mad scientists of the universe; is it any wonder why the more conservative, sane alien races can't really keep us contained?
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Van Ropen
Angry, angry about elves.
You realize pretty much all the alien races did those things too?
You realize that the only race in the current cycle who got FTL on their own merits, or at least more so than any other, are batarians, right? Every race went through primitive space exploration stage, and humans aren't exceptional there.
Cteatus
A Guy Who Fell Down a Hole
Well except the Asari. They skipped right over that stage the devious blue bastards.
Citations?
They had a Prothean archive, with its own VI, right on their planet. Built a temple around it and everything.
My point isn't that humans are better scientists than the other ME races, or that humans came up with tech that other races never figured out. Salarians are in fact smarter than humans are. What sets humanity apart is its almost reckless disregard for its own safety when it comes to pursuing its goals.
A good example of this is the number of human biotics. Other than the asari, who may or may not have been engineered to be an entirely biotic race, biotic ability is basically a birth defect, caused by prenatal exposure to eezo. Biotic ability among most races is fairly low, even after thousands of years of eezo tech being integrated throughout their culture, because most alien races are careful about exposing breeders to eezo, but not humanity. Humanity discovers biotic ability when industrial accidents expose whole cities to eezo, and then go around dusting more colonies attempting to make even more, even though human biotics at the time are weak and unstable, and serious birth defects can result. The other races wouldn't even consider doing something so crazy and dangerous, but humans are just nuts like that.