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Shepard Quest Mk V, Base of Operations (ME/MCU)

TheEyes said:
We can always up the number of units we sell of the Mk I Arc Reactor in Q3-4, once we have the spare manufacturing capacity. In fact I'd call that a good bargaining chip, though obviously we wouldn't paint it in quite those terms.
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Yeah, doesn't matter. That isn't going to build the trust required to get us permission to start meddling with AI.

We're already providing unstoppably advanced military hardware exclusively to the Alliance. Eternal Youth isn't going to change that calculus. And are you seriously proposing we hold back Eternal Youth tech from the rest of the galaxy? The Salarians need that tech more than we do.
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Uhh, no. Immortality, brought to you by Shepard? Nothing like it. The military hardware matters, but this is another level entirely, in every sector of human society.

Advanced Xenobiology brings Peak Human to other species. We have, as of yet, received no word that it brings Eternal Youth to them.

And I absolutely support releasing it for humanity first, yes.


As for Advanced Xenobiology, okay I agree. My proposal thus amended delays some of the critical parts of the Cabira (1 quarter for most of the core tech, 2 quarters for the TIR shield) in favor of early access to Advanced Xenobiology and AI research. Under this proposal we finish AI Licensing Preparation research in 2174-Q1 and can start negotiations with the Council and Alliance to permit us do limited, internal-only AI research, stuff that we won't release as product in the short or even medium term (we're not making a servant race like the Geth were intended to be), gaining Advanced Xeno in Q2 for use as a bargaining chip if it's even needed.

We'll have all of Q1 and Q2 to negotiate with the Council and Alliance before it impacts our research schedule, so we should know which way the wind is blowing by then. If we get our limited research license, we can have Blue Box AI by the end of Q3, and Pure Software AI by the end of 2174, which should massively boost our research rolls. If they're not going for it, we can seamlessly transition to developing the Cabira without loss of research capital (we're spending the rest of Q2 and much of Q3 on Flawless Blackboxing in either case).

With or without AIs, we'd be looking at having everything to build a non-stealth version of the Cabira in 2175 Q2, one quarter later than UberJJK proposed, with the addition of TIR, Terajoule lasers, the third generation Arc reactor needed to power those lasers, and the Mark III suit all coming up in Q3, with the massive bombshell of Eternal Youth coming in Q4.
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I'll look at the outline tonight when I go to finally bring mine up to date - but I really don't see us managing to get AI in the timeframe you are suggesting.
 
Van Ropen said:
Advanced Xenobiology brings Peak Human to other species. We have, as of yet, received no word that it brings Eternal Youth to them.
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I think you have before. In any case you have now. It extends Eternal Youth, Extremis and all other biotech to all species. Both uses of the word all are subject to change if crazy stuff appears.

Also, regarding Cortana, I have not actually played the relevant game (Halo?), so I will be basing her personality on Dragon (Worm) and Jarvis. Once (if) you get serious about AIs, they will be based on Princess CelestAI (Friendship is Optimal) and the Fleetmind (Schlock Mercenary).
 
Esbilon said:
I think you have before. In any case you have now. It extends Eternal Youth, Extremis and all other biotech to all species. Both uses of the word all are subject to change if crazy stuff appears.

Also, regarding Cortana, I have not actually played the relevant game (Halo?), so I will be basing her personality on Dragon (Worm) and Jarvis. Once (if) you get serious about AIs, they will be based on Princess CelestAI (Friendship is Optimal) and the Fleetmind (Schlock Mercenary).
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So... getting serious about AI's would be a very bad idea then. Thanks for the warning.
 
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Dragon is very cool. Cortana was as human like on the surface, but she was a little arrogant (justified), nowhere near as chained up, and geared solely to battlefield conditions with an eye towards software intrusion (also, ship-to-ship combat) . Her particular breed of AI in universe had a tendency towards "navel-gazing", and towards the end of her life she showed signs of it.
 
Esbilon said:
I think you have before. In any case you have now. It extends Eternal Youth, Extremis and all other biotech to all species. Both uses of the word all are subject to change if crazy stuff appears.

Also, regarding Cortana, I have not actually played the relevant game (Halo?), so I will be basing her personality on Dragon (Worm) and Jarvis. Once (if) you get serious about AIs, they will be based on Princess CelestAI (Friendship is Optimal) and the Fleetmind (Schlock Mercenary).
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Could we Make Mega Man tech from the mega man x games? Maybe eventually make carbons or humanoids?
 
DamionKenley said:
Dragon is very cool. Cortana was as human like on the surface, but she was a little arrogant (justified), nowhere near as chained up, and geared solely to battlefield conditions with an eye towards software intrusion (also, ship-to-ship combat) . Her particular breed of AI in universe had a tendency towards "navel-gazing", and towards the end of her life she showed signs of it.
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Yes, I'm aware. However, these:
Esbilon said:
Once (if) you get serious about AIs, they will be based on Princess CelestAI (Friendship is Optimal) and the Fleetmind (Schlock Mercenary).
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are not AIs that we want running around. These are AIs that would make Reapers go "Well now, that's a little harsh". These are AIs that would make SHODAN and AM think they've got a promising future ahead of them.
 
Stroth said:
Yes, I'm aware. However, these:
are not AIs that we want running around. These are AIs that would make Reapers go "Well now, that's a little harsh". These are AIs that would make SHODAN and AM think they've got a promising future ahead of them.
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I have never seen either of these. Where Halo AI's are concerned, I'm not sure they ever actually gave them the chance to turn traitor. The backstory doesn't count. Current timeline AI are not pure software though, so there is that.
 
AIs do not turn traitor. They fulfill their programming, sometimes in ways the programmer did not intend, and would not approve of.

Oh, and I'll try keeping EDI out of Cortana such that she may be her own person if she shows up.
 
Esbilon said:
AIs do not turn traitor. They fulfill their programming, sometimes in ways the programmer did not intend, and would not approve of.

Oh, and I'll try keeping EDI out of Cortana such that she may be her own person if she shows up.
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In Halo-verse, they basically go insane. They're also essentially brain uploads. Again, exceptions. Dumb AI and Ancillae are pure software, but are closer to VI' s.
 
Esbilon said:
AIs do not turn traitor. They fulfill their programming, sometimes in ways the programmer did not intend, and would not approve of.
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Hm. I'm actually fairly okay with CelestAI and Fleetmind personalities; I'm guessing these are for pure software AIs? I have no problem at all with the Fleetmind, and CelestAI's flaws were mainly because it was a rush job by an outgunned, outfunded woman attempting to pre-empt military morons from completing Skynet, and it succeeded admirably at that objective. The later certainly implemented immortality tech as quickly and efficiently as possible, and the Fleetmind looks to be doing the same.
 
Superintelligences are not achievable within the current tech tree, you only have access to comprehendable AI's. I am also considering cutting that part of the tech tree a bit, the listed techs do not seem to be narratively different.
 
I find Blue box AI and Software only AI very different; And I only want the blue box version. That is to say, AI that need special hardware to run on.
 
nightblade said:
What about mega man tech? could we eventually build that?
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Mega Man's just a blue box AI on a mobile frame, basically Legion in blue spandex with anime eyes. Or are you talking about some of the reality-warping stuff that later boses got up to?

Stroth said:
And then it went on to cause a universal omnicide.
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Well, yes. Again, that was pretty much all human error, although realistically a CelestAI that has truly become intelligent should be failing positive rather than negative when identifying humans
 
TheEyes said:
Mega Man's just a blue box AI on a mobile frame, basically Legion in blue spandex with anime eyes. Or are you talking about some of the reality-warping stuff that later boses got up to?


Well, yes. Again, that was pretty much all human error, although realistically a CelestAI that has truly become intelligent should be failing positive rather than negative when identifying humans
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Megaman tech is way more than that. This statement shows you know next to nothing about it.
Esbilon said:
Didnt know it had a story when I played it 20ish years ago. So I dunno the tech, but probably.
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It starts with robots you seen in the classic megaman games. Then it moves on to Androids that have free will. After that it moves on to what ever the hell cyber elfs are and to even more advanced androids that look just like humans except for their ears. After that it moves on to Humanoids who are androids with a lifespan and humans with robotic parts in them. After that it moves on to carbons. Here's a link about them. http://megaman.wikia.com/wiki/Carbon


They are artifical humans.
 
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Esbilon said:
Didnt know it had a story when I played it 20ish years ago. So I dunno the tech, but probably.
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The game themselves are very light on story. But there is a number of adaptations that fleshed the setting out quite a bit. The Gigamix manga adaptation is pretty fucking awesome and there's a comic series now, by the same guys who do the Sonic adaptation.

However, Megaman tech is nothing short of ABSURD and would probably swallow the crossover if used. It's that fucking HAX.
 
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Deathwings said:
The game themselves are very light on story. But there is a number of adaptations that fleshed the setting out quite a bit. The Gigamix manga adaptation is pretty fucking awesome and there's a comic series now, by the same guys who do the Sonic adaptation.

However, Megaman tech is nothing short of ABSURD and would probably swallow the crossover if used. It's that fucking HAX.
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And the tech we have right now isn't extremely hax? Megaman tech is no more hax then being able to control time. Which is something we can pick up. Or being able to live forever and a bunch of other things in our tech tree.
 
Van Ropen said:
I'll look at the outline tonight when I go to finally bring mine up to date - but I really don't see us managing to get AI in the timeframe you are suggesting.
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One reason I want to dip into the AI debate in 2174-Q2 is that we're otherwise sitting on our hands for that quarter in particular while we're pouring our research resources into Flawless Blackboxing. We can't release any new products until Flawless Blackboxing is done, our more trusted guards will be training on the internal-only Mark II suits, and we will have already broken ground on our off-planet expansions the previous quarter: in other words, a mostly boring period. It's a perfect time to dip our toes in and see where each of the Councillors stand, and begin negotiations with the promise of Peak Alien on the near horizon to dangle in front of them.


On a completely different note, have we considered offering pension plans to our security personnel? It occurs to me that our security people might be even more loyal than they are now if they know that, after say 25-30 years of loyal service, that the company will pay that same salary for double the amount of time they worked for us, and provide free medical in perpetuity. One thing we probably don't want to do is agree to pay a set wage for the rest of the person's life, given our plans with the tech tree. :D
 
With this plethora of long-term plans, has anyone considered a timeskip of sorts? It seems like popular opinion is firming up to a very set course of action, and if plans were to be sufficiently set in stone that voting was a formality, why run quarterly turns?
 
Forgothrax said:
With this plethora of long-term plans, has anyone considered a timeskip of sorts? It seems like popular opinion is firming up to a very set course of action, and if plans were to be sufficiently set in stone that voting was a formality, why run quarterly turns?
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For events? I mean, in each vote, there is stuff going on beyond development of tech. Technology creates the backdrop and forms the stage, but doesn't exactly overtake events.
 
Forgothrax said:
With this plethora of long-term plans, has anyone considered a timeskip of sorts? It seems like popular opinion is firming up to a very set course of action, and if plans were to be sufficiently set in stone that voting was a formality, why run quarterly turns?
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What Yog said.

Also, even with tech, we can spend personal actions on looking for tech heroes, to increase our tech tree. And Liara will be sending us a report soon.
 
And every bit of our tech that hits the market is going to be seriously shaking up the status quo. I mean, we've already turned the energy sector on its head, and the moment our new Legionary suits and MAKOs see actual military action the entire non-Alliance galaxy is going to be browning their pants, and probably sending waves of black ops teams after us. Then you have Peak Human/Alien, possible AI research, our better-than-Dreadnought super-frigates, our Mark II/III suits, Human (and Alien) Eternal Life, Extremis.... By the time the Reapers come after us they'll basically be a footnote--"These backwoods yokels killed off the Protheans? I can build a better giant mechanical squid in my sleep. In fact, I did: meet Huggoth, the Unobtanium-clad deconstruction-beam Super-dreadnaught!"
 
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