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Shepard Quest Mk V, Base of Operations (ME/MCU)

TheEyes said:
And every bit of our tech that hits the market is going to be seriously shaking up the status quo. I mean, we've already turned the energy sector on its head, and the moment our new Legionary suits and MAKOs see actual military action the entire non-Alliance galaxy is going to be browning their pants, and probably sending waves of black ops teams after us. ..."
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As long as we continue to sell our tech to other interested buyers, even with a small time delay, I don´t think we would have to fear assassination via STG etc. The only true galactic power that will probably try something are the Batarian since they left the Citadel and thus do not profit by its patent law/galactic market zone.
(historically the few confirmed death of weapon researchers I actually found where due to working with the arch-enemy(for example: Israel killing Iranian nuclear scientists) or because they wee perceived as betraying their previous employers.)
 
A few pages back I asked about how many or what ratio of ships we should sell to the other citadel races. Only madfish answered. T.T (Madfish isn't very many people.)

I kinda feel that we should at least get out what a few more of us think we should do about that, keeping in mind that we need to Tech upgrade all of council space to combat the reapers.
 
At the moment we should not sell combat grade ships to any Citadel race. Power sources and freighters, sure, but not weapons and warships.
 
Alanek2002 said:
A few pages back I asked about how many or what ratio of ships we should sell to the other citadel races. Only madfish answered. T.T (Madfish isn't very many people.)

I kinda feel that we should at least get out what a few more of us think we should do about that, keeping in mind that we need to Tech upgrade all of council space to combat the reapers.
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The probability that we'll be allowed to legally sell military equipment, i.e. ships, to citadel races is slim at best.
 
Yog said:
The probability that we'll be allowed to legally sell military equipment, i.e. ships, to citadel races is slim at best.
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Especially given:

Esbilon said:
[X] Off-world corporate connections, there was a guy here from Rosenkov here at least, maybe others too.
--He congratulates you on your success; making power armors with HK and fighter ships with CHA are both impressive accomplishments for such a young company. You have an amicable chat about the weapons industry, and he mentions that the Alliance parliament is attempting to pass legislation that would limit private corporations' ability to sell arms to other races. Rosenkov and HK are naturally working to stop this from going through, but a public statement from a young heroine could quite likely help.
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And that we chose not to:
[ ] Speak out against anti-arms-sales legislation.
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Now, considering that the Alliance was adding restrictions against selling personal weapons and armor, since that's what Rosenkov and HK deal in, I imagine there are very heavy restrictions, if it's not outright illegal, on the sale of military grade starships.
 
UberJJK said:
Now, considering that the Alliance was adding restrictions against selling personal weapons and armor, since that's what Rosenkov and HK deal in, I imagine there are very heavy restrictions, if it's not outright illegal, on the sale of military grade starships.
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You have a point...

Whelp, time to found our own corporate planet once our frigates start coming out of the shipyards, so that we can sell elsewhere. Because if we don't, we'll be screwed against the reapers.
 
Yeah, but if we have a fleet powerful enough to take on the citadel by ourselves, then we'll actually start getting assassins after us.
 
Honestly I never liked the idea of us getting into production for mass distribution. I had always envisioned us as producing just enough to fund our R&D and moving into licensing and going pure R&D. Let the rest of the galaxy manufacture; only we can research this stuff.
 
Amberion said:
Honestly I never liked the idea of us getting into production for mass distribution. I had always envisioned us as producing just enough to fund our R&D and moving into licensing and going pure R&D. Let the rest of the galaxy manufacture; only we can research this stuff.
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Well then the question is what we do with all our production^^.

And while we may not be able to directly sell to other races we still have the ability to simply license our tech, especially since most of it is dual use.

Giving/keeping too much technology to the Alliance (especially in such a short amount of time) is something that will certainly lead to a lot of bad blood maybe even open conflict. (And here I would give more than even chances that the Alliance command will be the one who starts that fight).

We are not (or at least I don´t think of us of as) a better Cerberus but a galactic corporation whose goal is improving life everywhere no matter what race you are of.
 
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Amberion said:
Honestly I never liked the idea of us getting into production for mass distribution. I had always envisioned us as producing just enough to fund our R&D and moving into licensing and going pure R&D. Let the rest of the galaxy manufacture; only we can research this stuff.
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Eh. We can do mass production really well.

By my estimates we could theoretically have 19 Dreadnaughts by 2180 and still have ludicrous cash at bank. In fact by 2180 we could have more ship production capacity then the Alliance and Turians militaries combined.

There is a reason Esbilon was concerned by our expansion ability. Personally I'm rather concerned by his change of mind about trying to limit it and dread/look-forward-to what he has planned to try and challenge us.
 
UberJJK said:
Eh. We can do mass production really well.

By my estimates we could theoretically have 19 Dreadnaughts by 2180 and still have ludicrous cash at bank. In fact by 2180 we could have more ship production capacity then the Alliance and Turians militaries combined.

There is a reason Esbilon was concerned by our expansion ability. Personally I'm rather concerned by his change of mind about trying to limit it and dread/look-forward-to what he has planned to try and challenge us.
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I really want to conquer the terminus. Like, all of it. Kick Aria off her seat in omega, kill all the slavers, make it a safe place to live. We have the production to do so. ^.^
 
Well he could always say that certain ships simply take a certain amount of time to complete no matter the amount of production we pour into them. After all there a things you can only build in sequence, for example you must build the hull before wiring it^^.
 
Erandil said:
Well he could always say that certain ships simply take a certain amount of time to complete no matter the amount of production we pour into them. After all there a things you can only build in sequence, for example you must build the hull before wiring it^^.
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That is assuming we dedicate 1 Large shipyard per Dreadnaught. It's quite possible to have 19 Shipyards up and running by 2178-Q1.
 
UberJJK said:
There is a reason Esbilon was concerned by our expansion ability. Personally I'm rather concerned by his change of mind about trying to limit it and dread/look-forward-to what he has planned to try and challenge us.
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My assumption was that the galactic market would eventually run out of money to throw at us.

Or that we'd usher in a Renaissance period for the Citadel community, releasing older techs as open source once it was obsolete.
 
DamionKenley said:
My assumption was that the galactic market would eventually run out of money to throw at us.

Or that we'd usher in a Renaissance period for the Citadel community, releasing older techs as open source once it was obsolete.
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We're going to be trying to spend as much of it as we can as we get it though. Somehow, that is making us have even more money!
 
If we put a Jacuzzi and running lights on it, does it still count against the dreadnought cap?
 
At some point we're going to run out of trained military personnel to man these ships, especially if we only sell to the Alliance. Of course, at the point that we're building 19 dreadnoughts, we legally can't sell just to the Alliance without violating the treaty...

See, this is why we need advanced AI! That way, we'll have a Fleetmind to buy all the ships we're selling! :D
 
TheEyes said:
At some point we're going to run out of trained military personnel to man these ships, especially if we only sell to the Alliance. Of course, at the point that we're building 19 dreadnoughts, we legally can't sell just to the Alliance without violating the treaty...
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Only if the Alliance doesn't do a massive recruitment drive. I mean, one of the reasons why the Alliance is reffered to as a 'sleeping giant' is because only 3% of their entire population is in the military at any given time, which is one of the lowest in the galaxy.
 
So if we design the insides of our ships to be 3-4 star hotels in quality, and this becomes known, Recruitment will shoot up?
 
Tabron89 said:
Only if the Alliance doesn't do a massive recruitment drive. I mean, one of the reasons why the Alliance is reffered to as a 'sleeping giant' is because only 3% of their entire population is in the military at any given time, which is one of the lowest in the galaxy.
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Ironically, that's already fairly large by today's standards: as of 2013 the US military makes up roughly 1% of US citizens fit for military service (~1.4 million active duty vs ~120 million fit for service); if you base it on total population the number goes down even further. You have to start looking at more totalitarian regimes like Iran and North Korea, very small nation states like Estonia, or countries in near constant conflict with their neighbors like Israel to find ratios higher than 3%.
 
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Yeah, 3% is pretty respectable - it's just tiny compared to something like the Hierarchy. The Asari probably don't have a huge military either, it's just that what they do have has centuries of experience, and they probably have a lot of former commandos they can call on, ect
 
Tabron89 said:
Only if the Alliance doesn't do a massive recruitment drive. I mean, one of the reasons why the Alliance is reffered to as a 'sleeping giant' is because only 3% of their entire population is in the military at any given time, which is one of the lowest in the galaxy.
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That's not actually correct. While 3% of the population volunteers for military services most of them only stay for a couple years, at least in quest canon.

Esbilon said:
Less than 3% of Humanity's population volunteer for military service. While this is lower than in any other species, it still means that Humanity has almost half a billion men and women who have at some point in their lives been in the service. Naturally, a lot of these people only stay on for a few years before finding jobs elsewhere, and some of these have found their way to Mindoir, looking to be part of the best equipped private security force in the galaxy.
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By my estimates the Alliance only has 12m soldiers at any given time. The sleeping giant thing is likely because they can rapidly increase their military size by almost, since some of those are likely too old or service, thirty times.

Combine that with the mentions of having large numbers of mothballed ships waiting to be resurrected...
 
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