Shepard Quest Mk V, Base of Operations (ME/MCU)
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[X] Write-in: Do a background check. A few minutes with an omni-tool is not a comprehensive search. Get your security chief, Goto, to dig up more info, particularly whatever it was that got him fired time and again. Forewarned is forearmed. Try to get it done before you land on Earth, but if that is not possible, arrange to keep in contact with him, promising nothing, but you've got the entire time you're on Earth to make the decision.
-[X] Crappy ship or not those things cost big money, no one writes one off like that. Something stinks. See if it's possible to link to the computers remotely and strip them bare. Try and recover deleted files too.
-[X] Ask if the captain to take it under tow it anyway as a 'good will gesture' without telling Laurence. During the trip have a couple of your security search it top to bottom, especially the cargo to see if it's legit. If he was writing that off as well.....
--[X]Have the security team keep a close eye on the Tigers. This could be a sabotage attempt.
-[X] Crappy ship or not those things cost big money, no one writes one off like that. Something stinks. See if it's possible to link to the computers remotely and strip them bare. Try and recover deleted files too.
-[X] Ask if the captain to take it under tow it anyway as a 'good will gesture' without telling Laurence. During the trip have a couple of your security search it top to bottom, especially the cargo to see if it's legit. If he was writing that off as well.....
--[X]Have the security team keep a close eye on the Tigers. This could be a sabotage attempt.
Yep.
Although considering that post is long enough that firefox pauses for like two minutes when quoting it I can understand why people might have missed it.
It really depends on how Biotic Armor works. While there are a lot of possible designs my guess is it's a custom build suit with Eezo nodes placed at roughly the same places they are in the biotic with an interface into the Biotic's implant.
This would flat out increase the Biotic's strength by increasing the amount of Eezo they control, act as a super-sized amp, increase endurance by offloading some of the work to the suit, and get around the limits of how many electricity a nerve can safely channel.
Of course I haven't slept so who knows if I'm even vaguely making sense.
And what about later using Extremis on ourselves, implanting an Arc Reactor to ourselves in combination of that (and thus giving it a better power source among other things), studying Advanced Mass Effect Theory and then upgrading our "Magi" implant. The naming could be something like, I don't know... How would "Deus" sound?
I think the biggest bonus of Extremis on Biotics would be a combination of significantly higher current and more precise current.
Yeah it will be like this:
Except worse.
Of course the simple solution to this is to program the ANI to not simply activate "Biotic Throw" when the idea is thought about but instead require a set of mental commands to trigger it. Even if it takes as long as the mnemonics, which it probably wouldn't, it would be a lot subtler.
Yeah...although there is some hilarity to be had with the whole "peeve off a Biotic and get a Shockwave to the face because they thought about about punching you in the face" thing, I don't think the Alliance would take it too well...
The whole 'mental commands' thing makes it sound like we go from 'Hax sign' to Nasuverse/negima magecraft....
Sorry, but those were the only examples I could think of that fit.
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Guys, keep in mind that people think about punching people in the face all the time, but they don't actually do it.
That means that the neural structures responsible for thinking 'I really wanna punch this reporter in the face' are different from the neural pathways that actually tell your hand to punch this reporter in the face.
Similarly, the neural interface would control the biotics through a specific set of commands that require conscious, willing input from the user.
That means that the neural structures responsible for thinking 'I really wanna punch this reporter in the face' are different from the neural pathways that actually tell your hand to punch this reporter in the face.
Similarly, the neural interface would control the biotics through a specific set of commands that require conscious, willing input from the user.
Actually....there is a condition which kills your central nervous system and the only way to walk around is to force the involuntary nervous system which governs breathing and other involutary actions to do it for you.
Suffers of this condition actually have to constantly think of their actions in order to perform them, even if it's something like standing upright.
So I honestly wouldn't be surprised if there are people who punch other people in the face simply from thinking it.
I can't remember what it was called though, I heard about it once in A Level biology class about eight years ago....
If your involuntary nerves to move your muscles, I wouldn't be surprised if a Biotic could accidently trigger a biotic response via the same method.
.....Oh great....now I'm imagining disabled people with Biotic powers....
Van Ropen
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I really doubt it. A biotic attack is an extraordinarily complex event - where various, no doubt unrelated, neurons are triggered in a very specific pattern, assisted by the VI onboard the biotic amp plugged into your nervous system. It is not by any means a natural event.
There are a variety of CNS disorders that can lead to strange effects, and damage to the brain which can clearly effect decision making, inhibitions, and the like - but you aren't going to be firing off biotic attacks on accident.
If anything, I'd imagine you will accidentally tear yourself apart first.
Amberion
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Usually biotics in children manifest as uncontrollable poltergeist-like effects. Implants provide power and control.
Van Ropen
Angry, angry about elves.
True. But given that even after a decent amount of training at BAaT, it was still notable effort to lift a glass of water I question how strong that "telekinesis" was.
And I would question the spartan/military training methods the Turian Biotics used to teach kids on how to use it.
I mean, presumably it was only until Kaidan actually flipped out and punched his trainers face in that he got any sense of respect or anything off the guy in charge.
I wouldn't be surprised if all the punishment and negative reinforcement would have made kids start to sabotage their own skills in rder to get out...
I always got the impression that BAaT was 'great in theory. stupid in execution' because they didn't take into account how fragile human children are.
Van Ropen
Angry, angry about elves.
It was terrible for the kids' mental health, sure - I don't think it wasn't technically sound though. Like, their biotic abilities were obviously being developed. Kaidan was capable of punch that guys head off, but it is still noted that lifting a glass of water was a non-trivial task.
Emotional response vs fine control. Not the same thing at all. You can't increase the amount of eezo in a persons body and you can't increase the voltage of their nervous system. Power is a factor of birth and the type of implant a biotic has, once the implant is in your head you're as powerful as you're going to get. The point of biotic training is to allow you to use that power in a controlled form, which accidentally snapping someone's neck is not. Picking up a glass of water is a non-trivial task because of the control necessary to do so without crushing it or slamming it into the ceiling.
Was it ever stated it was finely controlled?
I mean taking say a coin or other small object and accidentally flinging it around the room uncontrollably due to say an emotional outburst would probably still qualify as telekinesis in the minds of most people.
Yeah, 'poltergeist-like effects' sounds to me like doors slamming and stuff being thrown across rooms. And I don't think making things float actually requires much control at all. Making things move while floating would, but floating in midair is just lowering somethings mass.
Van Ropen
Angry, angry about elves.
Yup. That is wildly different from an implanted biotic accidentally firing off a biotic attack, which is where this conversation started.
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Van Ropen
Angry, angry about elves.
I'm pretty sure lowering something's mass doesn't make it suddenly decide gravity doesn't exist. A lift field is a specific effect - not a complex one, but not just lowering mass either.
What biotic attack, when Kaiden broke that guys neck? It's not like he hit him with a warp or something, he just boosted his arms mass and slugged him.
Gravity affects mass. Remove the mass and there's nothing for gravity to affect. after than a gentle nudge, or just letting go if you're holding it, will make it float.
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Van Ropen
Angry, angry about elves.
Yeah, imagine throwing a punch when your fist weighs half a ton.
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I imagine a fair bit of control goes into properly timing the boost to make it effective.
There is an absolute limit to how much something can be lightened - I doubt an unimplanted biotic is going to get anything down to 0. Then again, I suppose we are talking about tiny objects.
Not really. Once your arm's moving inertia keeps it moving no matter how you change the mass. Kaiden freely admits that it was a complete accident and that he didn't do it deliberately. No control there at all.
Van Ropen
Angry, angry about elves.
I vaguely recall the conversation you are talking about from ME, but I guess they meant emotional control - Kaidan didn't want to kill him, intellectually, but he did in the moment. In any case, it has been retconned in one of those...lovely comics:
Very much a deliberate attack. Make of that what you will.
Anyways, I think this all began with the question of whether the ANI could result in people accidentally letting off biotic attacks. Between the impulse control mechanisms people already have present, the complexity of proper biotic attacks, and safeguards you could stick in the VI of a biotic amp I am pretty sure that is a firm no.
Ugh. My view is that if material that isn't from the games directly contradicts either the games or basic reality, then it should be ignored as yet another ridiculous editing failure. God knows there's enough that they've admitted to for it not to be unlikely.
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Yes. He's life's work of the only Krogan scientist in centuries, or what Revy could do over a couple of productive all nighters.
Nice job, +50 Research points.
On a different matter: Are the visuals associated with Biotic powers supposed to be real, or just for the benefit of the gamers? And if they're the former, has anyone worked to turn them off?