Semper Ad Meliora (Code Geass/Britannian Royalty Quest)

[LuxEterna]

I mean that's part of the reason how the US won WW2 so it's plausible.

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it might have contributed to the US winning certain battles in the pacific
but the by far largest reason on why the US won ww2 was that it was outside the reach of their enemies (the nazis barely were able to attack london and the japanese struggled to reach pearl harbour for their big attack) while they had allies near the axis powers from which they could attack them

and as long as their allies werent knocked out of the war and their own desire to continue didnt waver so long would the US win the war and in the worst case they would still at best get a draw because both the atlantic and the pacific are far too large natural barriers for the axis powers to ever overcome and bringt he war to the US

and to bring it back to this story the biggest reason we continue to win is our spec ops teams that both bring us all relvant information and can take out the enemies elite units so our KMF can crush the infantry

 

[Gmerguy]

and to bring it back to this story the biggest reason we continue to win is our spec ops teams that both bring us all relvant information and can take out the enemies elite units so our KMF can crush the infantry

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Well yes, but don't forget that air power is underdeveloped in the setting due to everyone using electric engines rather than combustion. This is why naval power is still measured in the form of the Battleship and not the Carrier. Long range high performance fighters are very new, as are viable high tech missile tech, and neither have been proven in combat yet. And if there is one place where their power could be proven/shown, its here.

 

[LuxEterna]

Well yes, but don't forget that air power is underdeveloped in the setting due to everyone using electric engines rather than combustion. This is why naval power is still measured in the form of the Battleship and not the Carrier. Long range high performance fighters are very new, as are viable high tech missile tech, and neither have been proven in combat yet. And if there is one place where their power could be proven/shown, its here.

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in ship to ship combat that might be true especially since nobody bothered to focus their guns of being capable of functioning as anti-air

but for conventional land warfare its not that usefull, because no matter how often people try it, bombing your enemy into the ground simply doesnt work, hitler failed with london, the allies failed with dresden and many other german cities and the US failed with this strategy in the middle east

 

[Hawkmoon]

but for conventional land warfare its not that usefull, because no matter how often people try it, bombing your enemy into the ground simply doesnt work, hitler failed with london, the allies failed with dresden and many other german cities and the US failed with this strategy in the middle east

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Combined arms is the only thing that really works best.
So in this quest we need a flying and transforming KMF to really start dominating. Bonus points if we figure out how to get it to swim underwater.

 

[Zrayz10]

Combined arms is the only thing that really works best.
So in this quest we need a flying and transforming KMF to really start dominating. Bonus points if we figure out how to get it to swim underwater.

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So basically invent the completed version of the Gekkoei Sui from Super robot wars and the Re;surrection Movie? I mean Lelouch piloted the incomplete version under water I believe.


View: https://youtu.be/PjfuCNW2BhA

 

[LuxEterna]

Combined arms is the only thing that really works best.
So in this quest we need a flying and transforming KMF to really start dominating. Bonus points if we figure out how to get it to swim underwater.

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dont forget the infantry ( or enough KMFs so that we can have some used as dragoons) to actually hold and police the newly won territory or else all our fancy murderbots will be good for is to raid the enemy and intercept enemy armies

 

[Gmerguy]

but for conventional land warfare its not that usefull, because no matter how often people try it, bombing your enemy into the ground simply doesnt work, hitler failed with london, the allies failed with dresden and many other german cities and the US failed with this strategy in the middle east

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Air power is extremely powerful in land combat when used with precision, and like i said air power was way behind all their other tech up till now and therefore wasn't really used. The Europeans rely on Artillery, Infantry, and Tanks. The Britiannians are armored calvary focused via their Knightmare frames. Neither use air power to any real degree. So its not a matter of winning the war with just air power, its that air power mattering enough to be decisive that matters.

Combined arms is the only thing that really works best.
So in this quest we need a flying and transforming KMF to really start dominating. Bonus points if we figure out how to get it to swim underwater.

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I said this a long time ago but i will say it again, Flying mechs make no damn sense. Because a machine that tries to do everything ends up doing nothing particularly well and will lose to something that is made for that specific job. In this case mechs with shields using float tech to fly will lose to planes with shields using float tech, because one is actually suited for air combat and the other is being forced into that role in spite of its nature.

 

[Thanatosra]

Speaking of flying mechs wonder how long till we can get a upgraded version of the gawain (like the shinkiro) or something like the tristan for gino

 

[Zrayz10]

Speaking of flying mechs wonder how long till we can get a upgraded version of the gawain (like the shinkiro) or something like the tristan for gino

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I mean we haven't even started working on the Gawain yet so I'm thinking 7 or 8 turns minimum.

 

[arsdraconis]

Air power is good for causing damage, but when all is said and done you need to still have boot on the ground to secure gain

That being said, carriers does obsolete battleships on the naval doctrine by the virtue of range, but I have doubt the Chinese even field anything that would really contest Brittanian navy to begin with, though I suppose quantity would have quality of its own in term of Chinese force

 

[Randino Treviani]

Speaking of flying mechs wonder how long till we can get a upgraded version of the gawain (like the shinkiro) or something like the tristan for gino

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It will be a while. Schneizel's Camelot project has only had two years since we got the Gawain. Odds are we'll need to learn the secret win condition for the Ching Shih, recruit Chawa in the aftermath of a victory, and work with her for a few years until a crit and standard progress carry us to developing our own seventh gen frame.

 

[silentorphan]

It will be a while. Schneizel's Camelot project has only had two years since we got the Gawain. Odds are we'll need to learn the secret win condition for the Ching Shih, recruit Chawa in the aftermath of a victory, and work with her for a few years until a crit and standard progress carry us to developing our own seventh gen frame.

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ASEEC is part of Camelot, though. What have Lloyd and Cecile been up to in this timeline, anyway?

 

[Randino Treviani]

ASEEC is part of Camelot, though. What have Lloyd and Cecile been up to in this timeline, anyway?

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Same shit, different location. Still on Schneizel's payroll, the Lancelot might be moving to the point where Loyde stops hashing out the science of the project and begins to engineer his revolutionary innovations that let the lancelot dominate normal frames. Still be a few years before he reaches the prototype stage.

 

[JOJOBRN]

I doubt our carrier will contribute all that much to this battle. We aren't going to fight the local fleet, after all. Sure, depending on how stuff in the city goes CAS might be pretty useful, but I don't think this one battle will make everyone think "wow, carriers sure are revolutionary!"

 

[LuxEterna]

Air power is extremely powerful in land combat when used with precision, and like i said air power was way behind all their other tech up till now and therefore wasn't really used

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there is your problem, aircraft is simply not yet precise enough
due to the speeds involved they are lucky to hit correct house inside a block and only when they dont care abot missing with a few bombs that will hit something else

now in air to ship combat this doesnt matter because ships are even worse at targeting due to the waves creating an unstable position and on the water you dont have to care about collateral damage, which is why we used our planes against the enemy fleets in indonesia and not against the invading forces

I said this a long time ago but i will say it again, Flying mechs make no damn sense. Because a machine that tries to do everything ends up doing nothing particularly well and will lose to something that is made for that specific job. In this case mechs with shields using float tech to fly will lose to planes with shields using float tech, because one is actually suited for air combat and the other is being forced into that role in spite of its nature.

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a machine that tries to do everything well is doomed to fail but that doesnt mean we cant develop kmf that are suited to air combat. because in the end the only difference between a mech with shields and floating tech and a plane with shields an floating tech is the shape and possibly the armament

That being said, carriers does obsolete battleships on the naval doctrine by the virtue of range

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in the pacific definitly because you are basically a moving airport from where to launch, but in an area where you already have plenty of airports to deploy your planes from its far less usefull

 

[Randino Treviani]

Guys your needlessly overcomplicating this. We all know what won this battle.

Free Hostages (DC 100): 76 + (23 Sayoko Intrigue) + (10 Experience) + (20 Equipment) + (10 Psionics) + (10 Operation Bonus) = 149 PASS
Airport Seizure Using Gun-Ru Units (DC 125): 48+73= 121 (+10 Omake)= 131 PASS
High Eunuchs & General Hostage Taking

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It was Ninja's. Hostage rescuing, Gun-Ru Piloting, Airport Seizing, Chain of Command Disrupting Ninja's.

You cannot accomplish this insanity on your own.

So you do not try to do so.

Diplomacy: 74+25= 99 (+10 Omake)= 109​

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Our Connections.

Intrigue: 17
KoH Reroll: 92+23= 115​

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Our Knight of Honor.

Somehow, you will have to find it in your heart to disappoint them.
Diplomacy to Flip The Admiral: 91+23=114 //Crit: 91+14=105 //Crit II: 78+05=83(+39)=122

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It was Lulu and Li's most excellent diplomacy.

We have their Airport, their defending naval fleet, and their chain of command is disrupted. The only remaining obstruction is a land garrison noted as being bare bones in terms of manpower(Numerical Superiority in our favor) and Equipment(Lacking Knightmare frames?).

Many things contributed to our victory, but it was our actions prior to engaging in combat that have carried the day, not our choice of war doctrines.

 

[Zrayz10]

So should we succeed in our plans to make an empire of our own in the Pacific anybody got any ideas what are we going to call ourselves?

Some ideas I came up with:
Britannia Orientalis
Britannia Asiatica
The Pacific Imperial Federation
The Heavenly Eastern Alliance
The Imperial Pacific Dominion of Zhōngguó (Zhōngguó means the Middle Kingdom in Mandarin Chinese and is what a lot of Chinese people still call their country today)
The Federated Union of China and Britannia

What do you folks think?

 

[Randino Treviani]

So should we succeed in our plans to make an empire of our own in the Pacific anybody got any ideas what are we going to call ourselves?

Some ideas I came up with:
Britannia Orientalis
Britannia Asiatica
The Pacific Imperial Federation
The Heavenly Eastern Alliance
The Imperial Pacific Dominion of Zhōngguó (Zhōngguó means the Middle Kingdom in Mandarin Chinese and is what a lot of Chinese people still call their country today)
The Federated Union of China and Britannia

What do you folks think?

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Their all pretty good, but have something more salt in the wound in mind.

The Imperial Domain of Praetoria. Just really tick them off.

 

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The incredible reliance on mercenaries really underlines the need to invest a bit more in ground forces, I know we'd never reach army levels but at least being able to campaign with the kmfs or hold ground without contractors would be nice

 

[UlseDovThur]

Guys your needlessly overcomplicating this. We all know what won this battle.

It was Ninja's. Hostage rescuing, Gun-Ru Piloting, Airport Seizing, Chain of Command Disrupting Ninja's.

Our Connections.

Our Knight of Honor.

It was Lulu and Li's most excellent diplomacy.

We have their Airport, their defending naval fleet, and their chain of command is disrupted. The only remaining obstruction is a land garrison noted as being bare bones in terms of manpower(Numerical Superiority in our favor) and Equipment(Lacking Knightmare frames?).

Many things contributed to our victory, but it was our actions prior to engaging in combat that have carried the day, not our choice of war doctrines.

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We didn't take the Eunuchs or General hostage, failed that roll, so I don't know where you're getting the disrupted chain of command bit from. But yeah, generally agree.

And with this battle basically being a wrap before it began I'm looking forward to sending the third fleet and our own flotilla to smash the blockade. Maybe send Xingke with them to add as much legitimacy as possible and see how many ships he and the Admiral can turn to the Empresses side.

 

[Randino Treviani]

We didn't take the Eunuchs or General hostage, failed that roll, so I don't know where you're getting the disrupted chain of command bit from. But yeah, generally agree.

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The action, even in the event of failure, s
Disrupts the chain of command.

Trying and failing to assassinate/take them hostage would create enough of a disruption that it would fulfill what you're talking about.

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As noted here, hence why I discribed it as disrupt command, rather than captured.

And with this battle basically being a wrap before it began I'm looking forward to sending the third fleet and our own flotilla to smash the blockade. Maybe send Xingke with them to add as much legitimacy as possible and see how many ships he and the Admiral can turn to the Empresses side.

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Li Xingke needs to stay behind and raise a southern force in support of the empress as part of lelouch's plan to use him as a rallying factor.

What we can do is sail our troop transports into the interior along the Pearl River, and take the other Major southern city besides Guangzhou and Shanghai that the Eunuchs left a force to Guard, while Greta and Jeanne go raid their fleets(it's what our fleet is designed for) while the admiral defends the port so we can trap their fleet between his and Greta's if they attack Guangzhou.

 

[UlseDovThur]

The action, even in the event of failure, s
Disrupts the chain of command.

As noted here, hence why I discribed it as disrupt command, rather than captured.

Li Xingke needs to stay behind and raise a southern force in support of the empress as part of lelouch's plan to use him as a rallying factor.

What we can do is sail our troop transports into the interior along the Pearl River, and take the other Major southern city besides Guangzhou and Shanghai that the Eunuchs left a force to Guard, while Greta and Jeanne go raid their fleets(it's what our fleet is designed for) while the admiral defends the port so we can trap their fleet between his and Greta's if they attack Guangzhou.

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Eh, having an entire battle fleet just puttering around on guard duty sounds like a waste though.

And what city would we be hitting by going up the river? Thought the Eunuchs were consolidated in the coastal cities.

 

[Randino Treviani]

Eh, having an entire battle fleet just puttering around on guard duty sounds like a waste though.

And what city would we be hitting by going up the river? Thought the Eunuchs were consolidated in the coastal cities.

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For the most part they've consolidated in the coast it's true, but I Believe one of the 3 cities they Garrisoned was land based, as it wasn't listed among Coastal Targets.

Almost everything the Eunuchs have is being thrown, desperately, at Lihua right now. There's still an army group defending each of the main cities of Shanghai, Wuhan, and Guangzhou, but they're under-strength and under-equipped, having been stripped nearly to the bone to keep the peace as the battles in the north rage on.

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Specifically Wuhan. I can't confirm it's a part of the interior, as the Quest Maps Refuse to Zoom Anymore, and it's been weeks, BUT, I can check with @Slayer Anderson. In the meantime my original impression was that it was in a province to the west of Guangzhou, which is coincidentally along the river.

Edit: Drat. I was wrong. It's west of Shanghai. It'll be simpler to go for Quanzhou or Xiamen.

 

[UlseDovThur]

For the most part they've consolidated in the coast it's true, but I Believe one of the 3 cities they Garrisoned was land based, as it wasn't listed among Coastal Targets.

Specifically Wuhan. I can't confirm it's a part of the interior, as the Quest Maps Refuse to Zoom Anymore, and it's been weeks, BUT, I can check with @Slayer Anderson. In the meantime my original impression was that it was in a province to the west of Guangzhou, which is coincidentally along the river.

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Wuhan isn't on the pearl river. Based on the maps I'm seeing It's way to the north and sits on the same river as Shanghai.

If we don't send our fleet assets to hit the blockade I'd prefer going for rushing Xiamen as it's the next city up the coast, important to the Eunuchs war effort, and basically undefended.

So… hmm, maybe instead of staying in Guangzhou we leave Xingke here, once the city is secured, to gather his army while we load back up into our ships and blitz the undefended Xiamen before the Eunuchs can reinforce it and hold there until Xingke catches up and proceed to push north to Shanghai and meet up with the Tianzi's forces as they push south.

 

[Randino Treviani]

Wuhan isn't on the pearl river. Based on the maps I'm seeing It's way to the north and sits on the same river as Shanghai.

If we don't send our fleet assets to hit the blockade I'd prefer going for rushing Xiamen as it's the next city up the coast, important to the Eunuchs war effort, and basically undefended.

So… hmm, maybe instead of staying in Guangzhou we leave Xingke here, once the city is secured, to gather his army while we load back up into our ships and blitz the undefended Xiamen before the Eunuchs can reinforce it and hold there until Xingke catches up and proceed to push north to Shanghai and meet up with the Tianzi's forces as they push south.

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We could always do both. Send Greta raiding and have the Admiral escort our troop and Knightmare transports to Xiamen.