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Mage the Ascension Discussion, Homebrew, Worldbuilding, and Game finding.

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Talkkno said:
I meant paradrimcilly speaking there are basically the same in the general sense of being laws that can be discovered to be used to do magic thing.
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Kinda. But to give you an example of how their paradigm would work, let's say a Hermetic wanted to walk through a fire without being harmed. They'd call upon the true name of fire and open the gate to the appropriate Seperoth through an Enochian encantation that takes into account the stars, planetary alignments, local elements, etc. This would give the Hermetic power over the fire, and it could not hurt her/him. Different than waving the wand right and uttering some Latin phrase.

Sure there's some superficial resemblance of HP and the Hermetic paradigm, being they draw upon the classic depiction of a European wizard. However, I'd say "The Magicians Trilogy" provides a better example.
 
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Chloe Sullivan said:
Stephanie Heck has already appeared in panopticon. As a marauder.
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rogthnor said:
I'd allow it but still be wary. Its very meta and requires that nmage be published in setting. I'd be much more comfortable with them thinking it runs by WoW rules or the like
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My impression was it being more of an easter egg and model for Stephanie Heck's quiet than her literally thinking she was a character in an RPG that existed in universe.
 
Wi'se said:
My impression was it being more of an easter egg and model for Stephanie Heck's quiet than her literally thinking she was a character in an RPG that existed in universe.
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Staphanie believes that she lives in the nMage setting. She's an... uhm, some faction I do not know, fighting against the Seers of the Throne. But yeah, she doesn't have any sense of being in a game.
 
Yeah, nMage doesn't exist as an RPG in Panopticon. Heck's just an example of a low-Quiet Marauder, because she's almost operating in the same reality as everyone else - but not quite. But she's low Quiet enough that it can be hard to notice. It's not only an easter egg - it's also a way of getting a character who's got a consistent form of Marauder-dom that leaves her semi-functional even among other mages.

... even if she thinks O'Tooleys are "McDonalds".
 
Wi'se said:
My impression was it being more of an easter egg and model for Stephanie Heck's quiet than her literally thinking she was a character in an RPG that existed in universe.
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I was actually responding to an earlier post about believing you were in the toy nmage. If you want to model a character who's paradigm is that the world operates like nmage does then I have no problem.
 
Wi'se said:
Kinda. But to give you an example of how their paradigm would work, let's say a Hermetic wanted to walk through a fire without being harmed. They'd call upon the true name of fire and open the gate to the appropriate Seperoth through an Enochian encantation that takes into account the stars, planetary alignments, local elements, etc. This would give the Hermetic power over the fire, and it could not hurt her/him. Different than waving the wand right and uttering some Latin phrase.

Sure there's some superficial resemblance of HP and the Hermetic paradigm, being they draw upon the classic depiction of a European wizard. However, I'd say "The Magicians Trilogy" provides a better example.
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Point; but Hogwarts as a thing IMO really fits being a thing in Mage, plus hermetics and HP wizards share the same trait of being asshole wizards.
 
Yeah, but The Hermetics are competent assholes.

More seriously though, the assumptions of the worlds are very different. A 'Hogwarts' kind of school is a thing that could exist but the HP wizarding world is not...barring some horizon realm I guess. Have a look at a lot of the adult wizards who are...well they exist very differently than a Mage.

Their powers are strong as fuck, and very versatile but personality wise the HP magical world probably works best if the majority of them are Sorcerers, with the exceptional wizards like Dumbledore and Voldemort being the Awakened amongst them.
 
Bel said:
Yeah, but The Hermetics are competent assholes.

More seriously though, the assumptions of the worlds are very different. A 'Hogwarts' kind of school is a thing that could exist but the HP wizarding world is not...barring some horizon realm I guess. Have a look at a lot of the adult wizards who are...well they exist very differently than a Mage.

Their powers are strong as fuck, and very versatile but personality wise the HP magical world probably works best if the majority of them are Sorcerers, with the exceptional wizards like Dumbledore and Voldemort being the Awakened amongst them.
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I was was more remarking the idea I'd imagine the children of hermetics defiantly would be going some sort of Hogwarts style boarding school given how rigid and hierarchical are.
 
Bel said:
Yeah, but The Hermetics are competent assholes.

More seriously though, the assumptions of the worlds are very different. A 'Hogwarts' kind of school is a thing that could exist but the HP wizarding world is not...barring some horizon realm I guess. Have a look at a lot of the adult wizards who are...well they exist very differently than a Mage.

Their powers are strong as fuck, and very versatile but personality wise the HP magical world probably works best if the majority of them are Sorcerers, with the exceptional wizards like Dumbledore and Voldemort being the Awakened amongst them.
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I'm also not sure what "competent" has to do with anything? Or rather, why you think it's something the HP world lacks particularly. Eh.
 
Talkkno said:
I was was more remarking the idea I'd imagine the children of hermetics defiantly would be going some sort of Hogwarts style boarding school given how rigid and hierarchical are.
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There use to be a teaching chantry whose Horizon Realm was on a moon of Mercury unknown to Sleepers. However it fell to Nephandi back in the opening fiction of 2E core (if memory serves me correct). Doissetep, being a massive magical castle on a Martian mountain is another candidate for Hogwarts, but its not explicitly for teaching. Again though, depending upon how you envision the timeline of Mage, it blew up in an epic spectacle of Hermetic infighting back in the 90s.

Bel said:
More seriously though, the assumptions of the worlds are very different. A 'Hogwarts' kind of school is a thing that could exist but the HP wizarding world is not...barring some horizon realm I guess. Have a look at a lot of the adult wizards who are...well they exist very differently than a Mage.
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The hidden locations of the setting and how the wizards 'subtlety'* enter them can serve as an example of how a lot of Horizon Realms work. Though taken as is, being hidden in back corners, is a good example of how Changeling Freeholds work. And speaking of such, HP does give me more a changeling vibe than mage.

*What I mean by this is more entering a back room and such to enter a gate that takes you to a realm rather than flushing yourself down the toilet.
 
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Wi'se said:
There use to be a teaching chantry whose Horizon Realm was on a moon of Mercury unknown to Sleepers. However it fell to Nephandi back in the opening fiction of 2E core (if memory serves me correct). Doissetep, being a massive magical castle on a Martian mountain is another candidate for Hogwarts, but its not explicitly for teaching. Again though, depending upon how you envision the timeline of Mage, it blew up in an epic spectacle of Hermetic infighting back in the 90s.



The hidden locations of the setting and how the wizards 'subtlety' enter them can serve as an example of how a lot of Horizon Realms work. Though taken as is, being hidden in back corners, is a good example of how Changeling Freeholds work. And speaking of such, HP does give me more a changeling vibe than mage.
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Uh, first, which Changeling? Second, if it's the CoD Changeling, I'm just not seeing it?
 
Sydonai said:
A children's story where many adults are explicitly pretty incompetent, yes,
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Come off it. No seriously. Using, "Hey, the children's story didn't present a logic puzzle that the children reading it wouldn't have understood" as proof of anything is stupid.

Ed: And considering that one theme of Harry Potter Book 5 could be, "No seriously, you're a teenager, the adults might actually know best" uh.
 
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