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greensun said:
If your flying around on the back of a demon, and a lot people know what demon is because DBs like using Sorcery just as much as the Celestials, you've bigger problems. Like the Aang cosplayer who is trying to cave your skull in with a staff made out of Blue-Jade.
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... why would a Dragonblood try to cave your skull in for flying around on an agata? They fly around on agatae. Agatae are awesome.
 
Aleph said:
... why would a Dragonblood try to cave your skull in for flying around on an agata? They fly around on agatae. Agatae are awesome.
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It's not flying around on an agata that's the problem, necessarily, that's just something that people notice. So if they have other reasons to cave your skull, flying around on agatae makes them significantly more likely to find out what those reasons are.
 
Aleph said:
... why would a Dragonblood try to cave your skull in for flying around on an agata? They fly around on agatae. Agatae are awesome.
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Well, clearly because it's such a gorgeous wasp that they just had to ride it and if you're in the way, well. Dragonblooded, like most super-soldier demigods aren't exactly shy about taking what they want.


But seriously, yeah. @greensun Agata flying is a sign that you know Sorcery, know a Sorcerer, or else know how to Thaumaturgically call up an agata. Which doesn't really say "He's something in need of having his head caved in" since even normal humans can pull off the above options.
 
I've been playing with Anathema and have typed up several custom charms from various people, as well as the Ultimate Sovereign Fundament tree for Theion from Shards of the Exalted Dream. I intend to finish the rest of Theion's charmset, but it's a lot of material.

Would other people be interested in the files? I could put them up on mediafire or something so that you wouldn't have to do all that typing yourselves.
 
Walker of the Yellow Path said:
This is false. If you have a Sorcery, even Terrestrial Circle Sorcery, you can summon and bind Demons so long as you have the motes.

However, you are unable to use Thaumathurgy to bind demons, only summon them.
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Page 25, Rolls of Glorious Divinity 2.

What demons tolerate from mortal thaumaturges, they're less forgiving of in mortal sorcerers. When one of the rare mortal initiates of the Circle of Emerald tries to cast Demon of the First Circle, she discovers something terrible. The spell can call the demon forth but offers no binding (as that is dependent on the pledge of servitude made to the gods and Exalts alone at the close of the Primordial War), and many demons take offense at a mortal attempting their enslavement. Demons willing to "play nice" with a properly deferential thaumaturge aren't so willing when they're called out of Malfeas on pretense and bidden to serve one with no right to demand service. This isn't a secret. Mortal sorcerers who attempt a casting of Demon of the First Circle are rare in the Age of Sorrows.
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horngeek said:
Page 25, Rolls of Glorious Divinity 2.
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Huh. Wasn't aware of that.

I think that I'll ignore it for my games though. Sorcery is one of the big ways for Mortals to get ahead without getting lucky and being randomly endowed with a spark of divine essence. Demon Summoning is THE best spell for Sorcerers. It just seems that it's another case of them trying to make mortals less important.
 
horngeek said:
Page 25, Rolls of Glorious Divinity 2.
What demons tolerate from mortal thaumaturges, they're less forgiving of in mortal sorcerers. When one of the rare mortal initiates of the Circle of Emerald tries to cast Demon of the First Circle, she discovers something terrible. The spell can call the demon forth but offers no binding (as that is dependent on the pledge of servitude made to the gods and Exalts alone at the close of the Primordial War), and many demons take offense at a mortal attempting their enslavement. Demons willing to "play nice" with a properly deferential thaumaturge aren't so willing when they're called out of Malfeas on pretense and bidden to serve one with no right to demand service. This isn't a secret. Mortal sorcerers who attempt a casting of Demon of the First Circle are rare in the Age of Sorrows.
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I've always found this to be a ridiculous and frankly nonsensical setting element. That the Twilights of the Dawn War would not have ensured their assistant mortal sorcerers could bind trifling demons in their place beggars belief.

This is not exactly a minor oversight. Aren't the surrender oaths supposed to be nigh-perfect works of transcendent timeless genius?
 
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Anasurimbor said:
This is not exactly a minor oversight. Aren't the surrender oaths supposed to be nigh-perfect works of transcendent timeless genius?
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The Primordials surrendered to the Exalted, not to humanity on the whole. Only the Exalted have the authority, through the oaths, to bind demons. Binding and banishing are founded on the Yozis' submission to the ability of the Exalted to break and kill them.

Mortals don't have that.
 
Anasurimbor said:
I've always found this to be a ridiculous and frankly nonsensical setting element. That the Twilights of the Dawn War would not have ensured their assistant mortal sorcerer could bind trifling demons in their place beggars belief.

This is not exactly a minor oversight. Aren't the surrender oaths supposed to be nigh-perfect works of transcendent timeless genius?
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Peanuckle said:
The Primordials surrendered to the Exalted, not to humanity on the whole. Only the Exalted have the authority, through the oaths, to bind demons. Binding and banishing are founded on the Yozis' submission to the ability of the Exalted to break and kill them.

Mortals don't have that.
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What mortal sorcerer's? I mean, they might have existed, but not in numbers. Remember, Sorcery for use by Exalted/Humans was created during the war by most accounts, and the Working didn't exist until pretty soon before the Usurpation. So, while their would have been sorcerers working under Solar's, those would have largely been Dragonblooded/Siderals/Lunars, not mortals.
 
Peanuckle said:
IIRC that one 2nd circle deva taught Brigid sorcery as part of a plot to corrupt the Solars and free the Yozis. So that'd be post-war.
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At least in the White Treatises it isn't clear. The story mentions that the quest happened after her Lunar Husband was killed in battle with the Primordials, so that strongly implies that it was during the war. After all, corrupting them during the war would be better than doing if after the war.
 
A note on Shyft's essay- remember, the canon map of Creation is deliberately incomplete so that you can insert new cultures into the (quite frankly, vast) areas that are left undefined by the books.

Also, now part of me wonders at the possibility of an Eclipse with a Great Roc familiar. :V
 
Peanuckle said:
IIRC that one 2nd circle deva taught Brigid sorcery as part of a plot to corrupt the Solars and free the Yozis. So that'd be post-war.
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What nonsense are you talking about? Sorcery was discovered by Mela some time before she led the overthrow of the Anathema.

Ignore the strange magics of the Daeva Demons Anathema. Those were some strange unholiness entirely unlike the sorcery of the righteous.
 
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Anasurimbor said:
What nonsense are you talking about? Sorcery was discovered by Mela some time before she lead the overthrow of the Anathema.

Ignore the strange magics of the Daeva Demons Anathema. Those were some strange unholiness entirely unlike the sorcery of the righteous.
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Actually, going by the books, the DB/Imaculates aren't that dogmatic. Mela is the first legitimate sorcerer, in much the same way that DB's are the only legitimate "humans with major magical powers". They don't deny that other sorcerers or humans with powers exist.
 
C.o.S.a.R said:
What mortal sorcerer's? I mean, they might have existed, but not in numbers. Remember, Sorcery for use by Exalted/Humans was created during the war by most accounts, and the Working didn't exist until pretty soon before the Usurpation. So, while their would have been sorcerers working under Solar's, those would have largely been Dragonblooded/Siderals/Lunars, not mortals.
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Sorcerous charms were developed by Exalts during the primordial war to counter the sorcerous charms of the primordials, though they have fallen out of favor in favor of the much more mote efficient Emerald Countermagic.

Actual sorcery was "gifted" to the Exalted (by Mara, IIRC) as one of her three plots. (Black claw being another of the three, with the last left to the imagination.)

My impression was that sorcery, like black claw, was a post-war development. Brigid would have had no time to wander off and vision quest during the war.
 
Chloe Sullivan said:
Sorcerous charms were developed by Exalts during the primordial war to counter the sorcerous charms of the primordials, though they have fallen out of favor in favor of the much more mote efficient Emerald Countermagic.

Actual sorcery was "gifted" to the Exalted (by Mara, IIRC) as one of her three plots. (Black claw being another of the three, with the last left to the imagination.)

My impression was that sorcery, like black claw, was a post-war development. Brigid would have had no time to wander off and vision quest during the war.
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As I said earlier, the White Treatises isn't clear on the timing. The story mentions that the quest happened after her Lunar Husband was killed in battle with the Primordials, so that strongly implies that it was during the war. After all, corrupting them during the war would be better than doing if after the war.
 
Peanuckle said:
IIRC that one 2nd circle deva taught Brigid sorcery as part of a plot to corrupt the Solars and free the Yozis. So that'd be post-war.
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Chloe Sullivan said:
Sorcerous charms were developed by Exalts during the primordial war to counter the sorcerous charms of the primordials, though they have fallen out of favor in favor of the much more mote efficient Emerald Countermagic.

Actual sorcery was "gifted" to the Exalted (by Mara, IIRC) as one of her three plots. (Black claw being another of the three, with the last left to the imagination.)

My impression was that sorcery, like black claw, was a post-war development. Brigid would have had no time to wander off and vision quest during the war.
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It's explicitly left uncertain who taught Brigid. It could be Mara. It could be some other spirit. Nobody knows.
Well, Brigid might, but she's got a bad case of corpse, so that's not relevant.
 
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