I have no idea. I haven't really heard anything about the direction they're taking Abyssal's since the new devs took over, and I'm not sure where Abyssals are in the the schedule for release.

Solar
Dragon-Blooded
Exigents
Sidereals?
Abyssals?
Alchemicals?
Infernals?
???
For hardbacks, it's Sidereals, then Abyssals, then Infernals, then Alchemicals. Getimians are planned for a softback release alongside Sidereals, and Liminals alongside Abyssals. Basically, the setting writeup for Yu-Shan/the Underworld will already be in Sidereals/Abyssals, so the softbacks can focus more on rules/what makes them different.

At least, that was the rough plan last I heard.
 
For hardbacks, it's Sidereals, then Abyssals, then Infernals, then Alchemicals. Getimians are planned for a softback release alongside Sidereals, and Liminals alongside Abyssals. Basically, the setting writeup for Yu-Shan/the Underworld will already be in Sidereals/Abyssals, so the softbacks can focus more on rules/what makes them different.

At least, that was the rough plan last I heard.

Are Heaven and the Underworld not getting a full The Realm-style treatment?
 
Are Heaven and the Underworld not getting a full The Realm-style treatment?
Nah, nah, that's not being said. What Fire Has Wrought has setting information about the Realm, after all, and that didn't prevent The Realm from being its own book. There's setting information in all the splatbooks so far. The Dragonblood book has stuff on the Realm, Lookshy, and some smaller groups like the Sisterhood of Pearls, the Lunar book talks about various Lunar domains, the Exigent book has a chapter on Great Forks. You get an overview of the splat's home turf to facilitate running games with them. That Abyssals and Liminals both care enough about the Underworld that such an overview would cover the same general area for both doesn't prevent Onyx Path from giving the Underworld a fuller treatment when they've got more than a chapter or two of room.
 
I like Erembour a lot okay. It has some cute interactions if you fiddle with your brightness settings. (Works best on phone).
 
Are Heaven and the Underworld not getting a full The Realm-style treatment?
The Realm needed a separate source from the word go because the Realm is the axis on which Creation turns. In much of the setting, the Realm's institutions will be the dominant ones, or at least the major outsiders. It also has a civil war brewing, with 10 factions, dozens of named NPCs, major non-aligned players, and most importantly no guiding authorial directive.

And WFHW also needed to make Lookshy, Prasad, outcastes, and other small groups playable and interesting within its wordcount. They were never going to able to give the Realm the depth it deserved.

As for Yu-Shan/the Underworld? I think a core book-level setting treatment of them will be enough. We might get an expansion, but it will probably be in the form of an Across the Eight Directions-style book covering all the places outside Creation. So Yu-Shan, the Underworld, Malfeas, probably the Wyld. Autochthonia should a The Realm-style book released as part of the Alchemicals campaign, if just to let Across the Worlds Beyond (or whatever it winds up being called) get released faster.
 
I see slightly more scope for the Underworld getting a separate book than Yu-Shan.

The underworld is one of those immediately adjacent spiritual worlds that you can end up interacting with without it necessarily becoming an Abyssal or Liminal narrative.

In comparison though, Yu-Shan is the gated community of these worlds and those elements are a major factor in shaping Sidereal chronicles so a Heaven's Dragons or a Solars game where the PCs working for/with those same institutions probably doesn't need its own book.
 
You know what sucks? How empty the west is. You know what is great? The hundred kingdoms and One Piece. So I smashed the two together to create a region for players to mess around in. Its not complete yet, but I've got the writeup on the general region/culture as well as the primary movers and shakers. Please take a look and tell me what you think!

The Shattered Archipelago
 
You know what sucks? How empty the west is. You know what is great? The hundred kingdoms and One Piece. So I smashed the two together to create a region for players to mess around in. Its not complete yet, but I've got the writeup on the general region/culture as well as the primary movers and shakers. Please take a look and tell me what you think!

The Shattered Archipelago
Had ten minutes, it's cool. Did some suggested edits on grammar/spelling mistakes.
 
You know what sucks? How empty the west is. You know what is great? The hundred kingdoms and One Piece. So I smashed the two together to create a region for players to mess around in. Its not complete yet, but I've got the writeup on the general region/culture as well as the primary movers and shakers. Please take a look and tell me what you think!

The Shattered Archipelago
Definitely lines up with some ideas I tossed around back in the day, but never formalized. It's late and I'm tired, though, so I won't be looking into the link until tomorrow at the soonest.

For now, I'll say that the symbolism of the World Government's Holiest of Holies - the Empty Throne - is just dripping with symbolism, in such a way that you could twist it in any of a dozen different directions for adaptation into Exalted:

 
Had ten minutes, it's cool. Did some suggested edits on grammar/spelling mistakes.
Thanks! Going through the edits and I'm really feeling the lack of spellcheck.
Definitely lines up with some ideas I tossed around back in the day, but never formalized. It's late and I'm tired, though, so I won't be looking into the link until tomorrow at the soonest.

For now, I'll say that the symbolism of the World Government's Holiest of Holies - the Empty Throne - is just dripping with symbolism, in such a way that you could twist it in any of a dozen different directions for adaptation into Exalted:

There's some sort of parallel I can do with the now empty scarlet throne, but I can't quite thread the needle and I don't want to make it seem like the whole world revolves around this region.
 
Thanks! Going through the edits and I'm really feeling the lack of spellcheck.

There's some sort of parallel I can do with the now empty scarlet throne, but I can't quite thread the needle and I don't want to make it seem like the whole world revolves around this region.
Make it the pirate-stolen throne of the late Shogunate. A symbol of power that any who would oppose the Realm would lust for, that the Realm would also want to keep out a foe's hands.
 
Some leftover commentary on the Abyssal discussion upthread:

GB: I kind of like the idea of Lesser Dead yidak Exalting as Abyssals, leaving them as a sort of quasi-Liminal: they retain the Passions which drove them, but everything else is up in the air. They're somewhere between amnesiac and a new person entirely, as the corrupted Exaltation struggles to fill in the blank space where the seat of reason, the hun, should be.

Alternatively, an entirely new, blank hun is attached, and the new Abyssal is basically a feral person - they have the capacity for reason, but are essentially out of practice. They can learn language, but probably don't know any to begin with and so on.

QS: The idea of using Abyssals as a way to explore selfhood via Ship of Theseus-type ideas is an interesting one. And god knows Abyssals could do with more design space.

BG: Also, it means you can have things like "I'm 1/3 the First Scarlet, what does that mean, in terms of my selfhood and emotions?" (And/or "my hun became a deathlord, wat do")

"Am I a dead man reborn, or something birthed from that man's spectral remains?"




One of the main elements of the Empty Throne that struck me as so Exalted-y was the symbolism of it being empty. Partially because that symbolism can be bent in a few different directions.



It isn't empty because it lacks an owner. It's empty because the owner has absolute surety that his power - physically represented by the Throne - is unassailable.

A king sits on the throne to assure the land of his rule, and to preside over affairs of the court.

The King is beyond such concerns. He has no need to assure others of his power. He has no need to entertain matters of politic and alliance among those beneath him.

The Empty Throne is a mute monument to the fact that being allowed to see the King is a luxury, and he does not choose to grant it to you. His reign is limitless and has surpassed the frailties of lesser states. Its bureaucracies and niceties exist to sustain what the King has built, and nothing more. If they should turn upon him, he will grind them to dust and build them anew. Their power exists solely for his convenience. Even the highest lord in the King's aristocracy has no say in what the King does, or even whether they will live and die without ever seeing so much as a glimpse of him.

Anything that could demand the King's attention would be, by definition, a challenge to his rule. And nothing that might someday arise to challenge the King could be managed by anyone other than himself.

Those who seek the King's ear are welcome to address their words to the Empty Throne. Were their words worth hearing, he would have already sought them out.

Ants do not stand in judgment over the deeds of men.


The Empty Throne is a refutation of the Empyreal Tyrant.

Under the Deliberative, there shall be many with the privilege of rulership. No single mind will ever dominate Creation again, no single pair of hands will shape it. Such is the wisdom of the Incarnae, and the Great Maker who forged their Exalted chatelains.

Let any who would proclaim himself "Tyrant" present himself, and fall as Theion did! Let the swords of any who would serve such evil be driven into the ground and left to rot away! Let such madness be denied in all ways, at all costs!

Let those who dream of a single Throne set above all others gaze upon this one, and consider the fate of the Primordial tribe.


Gah, I'm definitely spreading myself a little thin between this and several other things, and this is becoming the one that gets dropped for time. I'm sure I could have composed what I mean about The Empty Throne in a much more effective way, but fuggit, WE'RE DOING IT LIVE
 
Also in One Piece, the throne
has someone who sits in it. Secretly.

You could definitely do something with that. Possibly Raksha.
 
I was thinking one of the Fair Folk taking a seat upon it and declaring itself the Shogun but that works too.
Alternatively, the Throne became a raksha when the Crusade brought the shoals of Chaos a little too close to its part of the West, and its prime goal is to find someone, anyone who will take their place upon it - because it's a throne, and a throne can't rule a kingdom. An ever-blooming flower, awaiting pollination in the far corners of the West.
 
Following the twin trails of the missing Night Caste and the magical disease hitting Champoor, the gang arrives at the Nighted City to find it awash with gangs in the midst of a macro-scale martial arts duel. Also thefts, and not just from pickpockets-Hell's greatest thief is also out here, taking everything not nailed down. So naturally the Circle...only tertially interacts with that and spends a major chunk of the episode shopping! Because they are still TTRPG PCs at heart!

On the personal fronts, Gavel gets a new frenemnemesis who looks awfully familiar! Atom gets the gang ready for a mid-Act costume change! Lythander and special guest star Willow Spectre re-enact some classic comedy routines! And, in the distance...do I see...a tournament arc?

Check the episode out here on Podbean and here on Youtube!
 
Just a fun elemental dragon for the thread to play around with.

Kutya, the Thunder in the Mountain
Elemental Dragon of Air and Earth

The wise do not ascend the mountain, nor do they brave the passages from which silver, jade and firedust once poured in rivers. The unwise do not return.

The tale of this curse upon the land begins long ago, with an ambitious elemental whose name and nature have long been forgotten. All that the tales agree upon is that he was a creature of Air, a powerful master of thunderous martial arts, and a rebel against the order of the heavens. He decried the corruption of the Celestial Bureaucracy, and gathered about him spirits, mortals and martial artists who wished to make a change. He was impetuous and often rash, but such was his charisma and his martial power that he gave his followers hope, and they began the labour of ordering their slice of Creation according to their best ideas. Illicit divine blessings brought bounty to the mountain and the lands around it, and the might of the elemental and his followers beat back those who attempted to claim these newfound riches for themselves. In the halls of Heaven, a close watch was set upon the region, but it was decided that drastic measures need not yet be taken.

Some say that was where the debate ended, while others claim that it was decided to employ more subtle means. Whether thanks to his own ambition, or due to some subtle prompting, the elemental grew slowly more certain that another step was needed to prove that their way could work. They couldn't fight Heaven itself, but they could perhaps prove it wrong, and so he devised a cunning scheme. He would steal the Essence of a dragon, become an elemental dragon itself, and by doing so break the monopoly of Heaven upon the legitimacy of the draconic form handed down by the Emerald Mother. It was ambitious, audacious, reckless - but was not their whole project?

In the end, though, it was not the ambition, audaciousness or recklessness of the plot which doomed it, but simple miscalculation. Through some twist of fate, the dragon from which the elemental chose to steal was of Earth, not Air, and that dissonance would prove his undoing. When he imbibed it with grand ceremony, his body swelled and grew into a dragon indeed - but a twisted dragon of lightning and stone commingled, lizard-like with withered wings and a great crown of bone. Its mind was torn between its warring Essences, and it became a monstrous beast, claiming the mountain for a home and slaughtering or driving out all its former subjects, friends and followers. It became Kutya, the Thunder in the Mountain, and there it lairs unto this day, wandering the tunnels like a worm within an apple, and devouring any who dare brave the depths or the heights.

Summoning (4/6): Kutya is not a god - indeed, he is reviled by Heaven - and so he can be summoned and bound by sorcery. However, his power is such that only the might of an Adamant Sorcerer can bind him to task, and so he has gone unbeckoned from his mountain lair. Were he to be summoned, he would be a devastating weapon of war. Though he cannot fly, as the skin never grew upon his vestigial wings, he can make great leaps, and his physical strength is immense. He could smash a city wall with ease, and his stony scales are proof against all but the blades of mighty heroes or the weapons of an elder age. Most terrible of all is his breath; he can exhale blasts of lightning the equal of any First Age lightning-ballista, or seed the clouds with thunder to rain down once more. He is a living siege weapon, fit to devastate armies.

His cause splintered in the wake of his transformation, the combined loss of their leader and many of their most honoured members dealing a mortal blow to the morale of the nascent movement. Nevertheless, some gods and mortal descendants remain about the mountain, telling old tales and holding onto some faint hope that Kutya could be restored. Even so, the younger generations know the dragon only as a creature of terror, and their tales have begun to change, recalling only the monster and not the hero he once was. The gods remember, though, and talk in circles - should they seek out sorcerers to attempt to heal their old companion, or would it be kinder to put him out of his misery? How would Heaven respond, even if it were possible? They have endless questions, and no answers.
 
I remember the Storyteller's workshop...license? Being pretty forgiving as long as you're not trying to sell the literal text of the official books so I'd imagine it's something else.
 
I'm currently in conversation with DTRPG about it, yeah. The rules explicitly say that alternate versions of Charmsets are fine, though, so I'm pretty confident that this is supposed to be allowed.
 
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