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Cornuthaum said:
It could always be an Unseen University arrangement. "We promise to follow your every command, as long as you never give us any commands."
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This is bound to be abused by Oramus very very easily.

Edit: apparently i got ninjaed enough for Oramus to be posted.

Coincidence? Problably yeah. It would have been fun posting this before Oramus, but it is too late.
 
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Aaron Peori said:
Cytherea is great for this. Well, she was before someone decided "of which nothing more is known." wasn't cool enough so it turns out there is a hell of a lot more that is known. But in her original 1e incarnation she is really useful for mystery cults and ineffable religions.
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Is there a particular book or two that goes over things Cytherea-related in 1st edition? I haven't gotten a chance to read a lot of 1st Edition materials, I didn't realize there was significantly more/different information on Cytherea. Was there a section in Dreams of the First Age on her and I missed it?
Aaron Peori said:
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This is why, in my games, Infernals and Abyssals are not knew things; they're both variants on the Lunar template rather than the Solar template. Them and the 'howling princes of Chaos' who helped lead the Balorian Crusade. They're not new threats heaven hasn't dealt with since the Usurpation. Thankfully, they mostly seem interested in fighting each other out in The Wyld/The Underworld/Malfeas and leaving us mostly alone so they can be safely ignored for decades at a time with the occasional Gaian Lunar (ie Lunar Classic) Exalting close enough for the Wyld Hunt to deal with.
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Just curious, when you say this, do you mean that the Realm recognizes Infernals and Abyssals as Lunars, or that you template them as Lunars? This is super interesting either way:

If the Realm merely perceives/assumes them to be Lunars out of ignorance, it makes for some cool potential drama between Abyssal/Infernal PCs and Lunar NPCs or vice-versa (on top of Lunar+Infernal/Abyssal pairing drama, which strikes me as a cool twist on the returned Solar+Lunar pairing drama).
If it's a matter of how you template them, please elaborate! If you have special documentation or anything written up about this, I would love to read it. And why are Classic Lunars called Gaian Lunars? Your take/variant on different Exalt types sounds quite unique!
 
Sanctaphrax said:
Yes, it's tagged for being out of theme. But it's also called out explicitly as overpowered.
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It could be overpowered, for reasons similar to why you don't let people use Melee and Single Point Charms together - certain Charm combos out of the Solar set and the Lunar set might mix together to be incredibly OP. Since we don't currently have the Lunar set, and probably won't for ~16 years, however, it's impossible to say for sure.
 
Nonagon said:
It could be overpowered, for reasons similar to why you don't let people use Melee and Single Point Charms together - certain Charm combos out of the Solar set and the Lunar set might mix together to be incredibly OP. Since we don't currently have the Lunar set, and probably won't for ~16 years, however, it's impossible to say for sure.
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Yeah, it probably would.

Actually, I think them adding the Apocyphal keyword was a good choice. It allowed them to get away with having some very interesting/amusing abilities, which otherwise would be cut because it wouldn't fit the Solar framework. Mast of Everything Situation, anyone?

Speaking of which, how many times in your games has the mast exploded, anyway?
 
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EarthScorpion said:
Oramus, the Dragon Beyond the World

Ancient and abhorrent, the greater mass of Oramus' self lies chained within his own wings upon the seventh layer of Malfeas. His granite scales are specked with many coloured gem-scars, and when his wounds reopen omen weather rolls out to scourge the rest of the Demon City. Around him, the brass and basalt of Malfeas has broken down to form a blasted heath where stony grey gorse and heather grows wild. There, his dreams spill out into the world and madmen gather to dance and play piping tunes to accompany his greater chorus. Comets and celestial phenomena are called from stranger realms to slam into the landscape, subjecting it to a constant drumbeat of impacts.

But this is not the only manifestation of the Entelechial Chorister within the Demon City and he can be found hanging from spires which jut from the side of Qaf and within a lead-lined music box in the depths of Metagaos. Distance and size means even less to him than to the other Yozis. Some say Oramus is brother to the Shadow of All Things. There is certainly a kinship, for they are both creatures of transgression. Yet the Ebon Dragon betrays even himself and that is the one thing that Oramus can never do. The only constraints he accepts are the ones he imposes on himself, but such restraints hold him fast. If he were not trussed up within his own wings, then he could slip forth from Hell and shatter the Surrender Oaths - but his wings define the boundary between the possible and impossible and thus Oramus is caught in the borderlands between the two states.

The princes of chaos remember him in terror and cannot bear to raise their hands against Oramus, for it was through Oramus that Time, Shape and Death entered that-which-is and foreshadowed the rise of Creation. The Wyld remembers him with the same fear it recalls Adrian. The Dragon Beyond the World is a creature of dreams, but his dreams are not the fantasies and glamours of the fae. No, he is a horror beyond whimsy, a creature of cold cosmic truths whose dreams perceive things that were not, are not and never will be. The bleak solidity of his sleeping visions draws others in with unwanted enlightenment that scars minds, leading others to call them mad. Indeed, he has an affinity for the mad, but only because his knowledge fits more easily into minds that have been broken open.

Ennui consumed him long before he was chained, and his jaded nature makes him seem self-restrained compared to the excesses of the other Yozis. Perhaps that is so, for he only takes joy in music and dance. He has tasted all other vices ten thousand times and more and found them wanting. Broken and bound, Oramus cannot dance as he once did. None now living, save the Incarnae, can say whether the Exalted did this out of malice or necessity. To alleviate his pain, therefore, the Entelechial Chorister plays the chords of the cosmos. He was always one of the most skilled musicians among the Primordials, and now in his crippling only Malfeas may equal his skill with music.

Sometimes the other Yozis will gather around the Dragon Beyond the World and dance to his otherworldly piping, revelling in the visions he brings and forgetting their torment. Such songs were not meant for lesser beings, and the astral melodies of Oramus blasts minds with unwanted revelations or strikes them dead with cosmic truth. There is no malice in Oramus when ten thousand serfs convulse from a lesser aria of his drifting through the Demon City. It is his nature, nothing more.

Demesne associations: Heaths, cratered terrain, auoras, comets, omen weather, choirs, gnarled plants, eroded landscapes, symphonies, shattered granite, crippled birds, pipes and flutes, the number seven, the first letter of alphabets, madmen, broken legs, transgression, Temperance, ennui, extreme age and the elderly, unreal creatures, fallen stars

Manse characteristics: high vaulted ceilings, granite, multi-coloured gemstones, monoliths, occult formulas, hidden truths, good acoustics, observatories, empty ballrooms, divining pools, mad servants, aged servants, rains of bloods and frogs
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This just makes me desire an Oramus charmset so much more!

I mean seriously, imagine an Oramus Fortress Manse with all that acoustics!
 
EarthScorpion said:
Graceful Wicked Masques then missed the fucking point [1] by changing things so Advaita Iraivan was a shinma in its own right, rather than an aspect of Nirguna - because the joke there was that Advaita Iraivan was the closest thing to a classical concept of God in Exalted and since they were an aspect of Nirguna, they didn't exist.
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Oh right Graceful Wicked Masques is the 2ed fair folk book. Now people hating it and the Shinma makes more sense. I was wondering why people were talking about them as if they were just Wild primordials, and not creation-raksha desperately trying to understand the true wild.
 
Nolrai said:
Wyld primordials
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Really, as I said in my prior post, the Unshaped are the only thing in that book that merit any praise at all; even if it's mostly just getting to come up with faux-SCDs and the pseudo-pantheonic social dynamics between them and their source entity, that's still something I would have fun using in a campaign.

Of course, my first ideas about it were "a group of raksha nobles decide to fake the deaths of their current incarnations and then pass their new forms off as the Emanations of a newly-arrived Unshaped, hoping to make themselves seem more formidable than they truly are and inflate their bargaining position with their neighbors - or perhaps just to tell a good story*" and "a particularly old Unshaped has decided to claim a portion of Creation for its own, subverting its people and convincing them to aid in helping the eldritch creature rip their land free of its moorings and be remade in the churning maelstrom of the Wyld; this is essentially an excuse to have the Emanations invoke the Cthulhu Mythos, portraying their originator as a transcendent being that lies outside the universe, that has sent them - insignificant shadows of Its unknowable brilliance - to help open the way for It to come forth and take its place as their eternal teacher, ruler, and guardian."
 
xenondestroyer said:
And so, my own personal few oramus charms (working names "Necronomicon Making Charm" and it's prereqs) are perfectly vindicated.
Lovely description!
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I'll be blunt; I really don't like the canon Oramus description-sketch, and most of the fan Oramus Charmsets I've seen. He's way, way too much the "Raksha" Primordial - dreams [1], uncontrolled mutation [2], art [3]. And an Oramus that's just a giant Raksha is dull - and dull as an inspiration for Charms. As @Revlid once said, the idea of a Yozi Charmset is that it's an antagonist - there's a way it wants to be used, and if you just give into it you're Jackie Estacado becoming the Darkness' creature. And that means it's the limits and constraints and the incentives that really define a Yozi Charmset.

[1] Already taken by Hegra and Sacharavell
[2] Which means it doesn't have the usual strong themes of Yozi-induced mutation
[3] Already staked out by Kimbery who also has the Lovecraft stuff to have all kinds of blasphemous idols, etc.
 
CAN'T STOP WON'T STOP

(the liveblog)

Have a double feature! and send help @Aleph won't let me OUT OF THE BASEMENT I CAN'T STOP THE BLOGGIN-​
[8/16/2016 3:10:34 PM] Rook: but
[8/16/2016 3:10:34 PM] Rook: yes
[8/16/2016 3:10:36 PM] Rook: you are the right
[8/16/2016 3:10:38 PM] Rook: PART THE THREE
[8/16/2016 3:10:54 PM] Aleph: ... or did you do this?
[8/16/2016 3:10:57 PM] Aleph: I think you did this
[8/16/2016 3:10:58 PM] Rook: ... I gotta turn this music off or else I'll get distracte-
[8/16/2016 3:11:01 PM] Rook: oohhh yes you're right
[8/16/2016 3:11:02 PM] Aleph: PART THE FOUR
[8/16/2016 3:11:04 PM] Rook: PART THE FOUR YES
[8/16/2016 3:11:12 PM] Aleph: (leave that bit in)
[8/16/2016 3:11:13 PM] Aleph: : P
[8/16/2016 3:11:15 PM] Rook: ;_;
[8/16/2016 3:11:20 PM] Rook: aleph y u do dis
[8/16/2016 3:11:23 PM] Rook: u mak me seem stoopid
[8/16/2016 3:11:31 PM] Aleph: in fairness I was the one who said part 3
[8/16/2016 3:11:37 PM] Rook: :p
[8/16/2016 3:11:42 PM] Rook: Anyway!
[8/16/2016 3:11:44 PM] Rook: PART THE FOUR
[8/16/2016 3:11:59 PM] Rook: Keris has come to spread the word of god!
[8/16/2016 3:12:08 PM] Aleph: Or rather, "god"
[8/16/2016 3:12:11 PM] Rook: She's like, a marginally less psychotic Born-Again Betty!
[8/16/2016 3:12:14 PM] Rook: :U
[8/16/2016 3:12:35 PM] Rook: (props if you get that reference; if you don't off to THE CAMPS WITH YOU)
[8/16/2016 3:12:51 PM] Rook: Keris sizes things up, and finds it to be disappointingly smol.
[8/16/2016 3:13:08 PM] Rook: Pagoda castle thing at the bridge, next to tempkle
[8/16/2016 3:13:15 PM] Aleph: She's a city girl at heart.
[8/16/2016 3:13:15 PM] Rook: state of disrepair, hm
[8/16/2016 3:13:19 PM] Aleph: A big city girl
[8/16/2016 3:13:33 PM] Rook: Golden Lord may not likey
[8/16/2016 3:13:41 PM] Aleph: There was a time when she considered anything without cobblestones to be unnatural savagery.
[8/16/2016 3:13:41 PM] Rook: Is that supposed to be Sol Invictus?
[8/16/2016 3:13:41 PM] Rook: or
[8/16/2016 3:13:43 PM] Aleph: No
[8/16/2016 3:13:46 PM] Rook: Aha.
[8/16/2016 3:13:56 PM] Aleph: Boss god of An Teng.
[8/16/2016 3:14:01 PM] Rook: I see.
[8/16/2016 3:14:09 PM] *** Rook needs to finish Blood and Sat ***
[8/16/2016 3:14:13 PM] Rook: salt, even
[8/16/2016 3:14:16 PM] Aleph: If Sol was a Third Circle, Golden Lord would probably be one of his powerful Second Circles.
[8/16/2016 3:14:18 PM] Aleph: They're tight, yo
[8/16/2016 3:14:24 PM] Aleph: Been investigated for corruption about a dozen times.
[8/16/2016 3:14:29 PM] Aleph: By request.
[8/16/2016 3:14:31 PM] Aleph: His own request.
[8/16/2016 3:14:37 PM] Rook: Keris finds a wall, plops down aaaaaaaaaaand PREACH
[8/16/2016 3:14:37 PM] Aleph: Squeaky clean every time, and they looked /hard/.
[8/16/2016 3:14:38 PM] Rook: and oh wow
[8/16/2016 3:14:40 PM] Rook: oh wow
[8/16/2016 3:14:43 PM] Aleph: ikr
[8/16/2016 3:14:47 PM] Aleph: He's a pretty cool dude.
[8/16/2016 3:14:53 PM] Rook: Sounds like it.
[8/16/2016 3:15:00 PM] Aleph: Might challenge Keris in a fight, too.
[8/16/2016 3:15:06 PM] Rook: And folks like Keris' music~ (surprising nobody)
[8/16/2016 3:15:10 PM] Aleph: : P
[8/16/2016 3:15:15 PM] Aleph: Keris's music is /obnoxiously/ good.
[8/16/2016 3:15:16 PM] Rook: Keris needs ATTENTION
[8/16/2016 3:15:20 PM | Edited 3:15:48 PM] Aleph: She can casually throw 14 dice at it.
[8/16/2016 3:15:30 PM] Aleph: That's the mortal dicecap /when using a three-dot stunt/.
[8/16/2016 3:15:34 PM] Rook: ... oh hello important person
[8/16/2016 3:15:57 PM] Rook: "keris is nothing if not shameless" noooooooooooooooooooo
[8/16/2016 3:15:58 PM] Rook: reaaaaaaaaaally
[8/16/2016 3:15:59 PM] Rook: also lel
[8/16/2016 3:16:05 PM] Aleph: : P
[8/16/2016 3:16:22 PM] Aleph: "at least as long as one politely ignores the early stages of her relationship with Sasi"
[8/16/2016 3:16:28 PM] Aleph: she was such a dork
[8/16/2016 3:16:31 PM] Rook: lol
[8/16/2016 3:16:33 PM] Aleph: a blushing, stammering, awkward dork
[8/16/2016 3:16:37 PM] Rook: also nice little trick about biting her cheeks
[8/16/2016 3:16:40 PM] Rook: Most people don't know that one
[8/16/2016 3:16:44 PM] Aleph: : P
[8/16/2016 3:16:53 PM] Aleph: Keris was a Nexan street rat.
[8/16/2016 3:17:07 PM] Aleph: She knows /all about/ begging and looking pitiable and garnering sympathy.
[8/16/2016 3:17:14 PM] Rook: Joyous Raven of Red Mountain.
[8/16/2016 3:17:19 PM] Rook: That's a pretty name :o
[8/16/2016 3:17:22 PM] Aleph: ^_^
[8/16/2016 3:17:53 PM] Rook: keris spouting bullshit like breath
[8/16/2016 3:17:57 PM] Rook: street rat, as you said
[8/16/2016 3:18:05 PM] Rook: ... Keris pls
[8/16/2016 3:18:08 PM] Rook: the DICE
[8/16/2016 3:18:11 PM] Aleph: ikr
[8/16/2016 3:19:02 PM] Rook: "but Keris is obviously a stupid, earnest foreigner" lel
[8/16/2016 3:19:26 PM] Aleph: This is... not technically untrue.
[8/16/2016 3:19:32 PM] Rook: It's not! :D
[8/16/2016 3:19:34 PM] Rook: That's why I giggled.
[8/16/2016 3:19:49 PM] Aleph: Keris has a complicated relationship with the truth.
[8/16/2016 3:19:51 PM] Aleph: : P
[8/16/2016 3:20:42 PM] Rook: theeeere's the goooooooold
[8/16/2016 3:21:02 PM] Aleph: If it were slightly later in the game, she would be a lot less willing to part with that much money
[8/16/2016 3:21:21 PM] Rook: >Keris chuckles wryly. "I am not surprised. I have travelled a long way from where I learned of them. They gave me many things, and eventually I asked to bring word of them back here, to my homeland."
[8/16/2016 3:21:22 PM] Rook: well
[8/16/2016 3:21:24 PM] Rook: you know
[8/16/2016 3:21:27 PM] Rook: she's not lying
[8/16/2016 3:21:27 PM] Aleph: : V
[8/16/2016 3:21:34 PM] Aleph: Mendaciloquent Maveriiiiiick~
[8/16/2016 3:21:45 PM] Aleph: I get so much use out of that style
[8/16/2016 3:22:28 PM] Rook: Poor, poor people.
[8/16/2016 3:22:32 PM] Rook: They seem like decent folks!
[8/16/2016 3:22:39 PM] Rook: And now they're on the path to worshiping a demon~
[8/16/2016 3:22:56 PM] Aleph: Well, you know
[8/16/2016 3:23:07 PM] Aleph: They may not do too badly out of it, if they're careful
[8/16/2016 3:23:18 PM] Aleph: That just paid off about a fifth of their debt in one go, fr'x.
[8/16/2016 3:23:28 PM] Rook: omg Dulmea and Echo
[8/16/2016 3:23:34 PM] Aleph: : D
[8/16/2016 3:24:40 PM] Aleph: Hmm. Have I already talked about Keris and travel?
[8/16/2016 3:24:41 PM] Rook: >

She wakes early, does half an hour of praying - well, okay, reading a Malfean folktale to Echo, who appears to find it hilarious for tiny murderwindy reasons of her own,
[8/16/2016 3:24:46 PM] Rook: "tiny murderwindy reasons"
[8/16/2016 3:24:48 PM] Rook: 10/10
[8/16/2016 3:24:50 PM] Rook: and you have!
[8/16/2016 3:24:50 PM] Aleph: : D
[8/16/2016 3:25:06 PM] Aleph: Thirty miles overland through thick jungle is "about an hour" to her.
[8/16/2016 3:25:15 PM] Aleph: ridiculous
[8/16/2016 3:25:41 PM] Aleph: also lawl
[8/16/2016 3:25:51 PM] Aleph: malfean version of the little mermaid
[8/16/2016 3:25:51 PM] Aleph: : V
[8/16/2016 3:25:55 PM] Rook: yeah I noticed
[8/16/2016 3:25:57 PM] Rook: I kek'd
[8/16/2016 3:25:58 PM] Rook: also
[8/16/2016 3:25:59 PM] Rook: >"I do not wish to offend your god - or gods. What might I do to thank them for such an uncountably generous gift?"
[8/16/2016 3:26:01 PM] Rook: ahahahahaha
[8/16/2016 3:26:04 PM] Rook: YOU ASKED FOR IT
[8/16/2016 3:26:05 PM] Aleph: : 3
[8/16/2016 3:27:47 PM] Aleph: and /hah/.
[8/16/2016 3:27:54 PM] Aleph: I just worked out the theme for Keris's flute style
[8/16/2016 3:27:55 PM] Rook: Skype pls.
[8/16/2016 3:27:57 PM] Aleph: but yes, onward
[8/16/2016 3:27:59 PM] Rook: Pied piper?
[8/16/2016 3:28:02 PM] Aleph: no
[8/16/2016 3:28:08 PM] Aleph: I was considering it, but that didn't work
[8/16/2016 3:28:34 PM] Aleph: No, hah. It's a marching-band style for wind instruments. Fast-paced and energetic. Soldier morale.
[8/16/2016 3:28:37 PM] Rook: Well, classical musician here, so if you have any questions about musicianship of stringed instruments feel free to ask me, and I'll try and answer though it might not be that applicable because Creation is so hodgepodge ^_^ and nice
[8/16/2016 3:28:38 PM] Rook: But yes.
[8/16/2016 3:28:40 PM] Rook: ONWARD!
[8/16/2016 3:28:46 PM] Aleph: indeed; diversion over
[8/16/2016 3:29:04 PM] Rook: Keris begins spreadingthewordofJesusChristto--
[8/16/2016 3:29:05 PM] Rook: shot
[8/16/2016 3:29:09 PM] Aleph: : P
[8/16/2016 3:29:11 PM] Rook: no, she keeps it simple
[8/16/2016 3:29:12 PM] Rook: hee
[8/16/2016 3:29:18 PM] Rook: I like her descriptions
[8/16/2016 3:29:22 PM] Aleph: Hmm?
[8/16/2016 3:29:37 PM] Rook: or, rather, >Rich and generous; a tender and farmer of men who sows seeds of prosperity in the soil of virtue and piety.
[8/16/2016 3:29:48 PM] Aleph: : 3
[8/16/2016 3:30:03 PM] Aleph: This was sort of what started the direction of Keris being an artist, really.
[8/16/2016 3:30:07 PM] Rook: 3 dot principle, hm
[8/16/2016 3:30:13 PM] Aleph: This and one other thing later.
[8/16/2016 3:30:16 PM] Aleph: Hmm?
[8/16/2016 3:30:21 PM] Rook: Raven.
[8/16/2016 3:30:30 PM] Rook: I take it that she has one and that's what the text from ES is?
[8/16/2016 3:30:35 PM] Rook: :p
[8/16/2016 3:30:36 PM] Aleph: Principles replace Virtues, Intimacies and Motivation, fusing them together into a group of concepts a character cares about, rated from 1-5.
1 "Brief, fleeting urge or emotion"
2 "Minor ongoing like, dislike or feeling"
3 "Major ongoing desire, hatred or occupation"
4 "True love, heroic motivation, lifelong nemesis"
5 "The will to survive"
[8/16/2016 3:30:37 PM] Aleph: Yes
[8/16/2016 3:31:05 PM] Aleph: Take a look at Keris's at some point. Though that's current-Keris, who is different from this Keris.
[8/16/2016 3:31:17 PM] Aleph: actually no don't
[8/16/2016 3:31:19 PM] Rook: IIRC Keris is something like 5 dots in LOVE MEEEEEE
[8/16/2016 3:31:19 PM] Aleph: spoilers
[8/16/2016 3:31:23 PM] Aleph: Yes, Be Loved 5
[8/16/2016 3:31:29 PM] Aleph: And Get Revenge 4
[8/16/2016 3:31:34 PM] Aleph: And Possessiveness 4.
[8/16/2016 3:31:38 PM] Aleph: Keris is a scary person
[8/16/2016 3:32:02 PM] Rook: And Keris has a hook in Joyous Raven, it seems.
[8/16/2016 3:32:05 PM] Rook: And that is Part the four!
[8/16/2016 3:32:28 PM] Aleph: Part the 5?
[8/16/2016 3:32:33 PM] Aleph: Ooo
[8/16/2016 3:32:34 PM] Aleph: yes
[8/16/2016 3:32:38 PM] Aleph: plz part the 5
[8/16/2016 3:32:40 PM] Aleph: /plz/
[8/16/2016 3:32:43 PM] Aleph: : D
[8/16/2016 3:32:54 PM] Rook: Part the 5 will come later because I have to be a functional human beeeinnnnnnnnnnnnnnngfuck fine
[8/16/2016 3:33:02 PM] Aleph: : D : D : D
[8/16/2016 3:33:11 PM] Rook: I am too nice to you *grumble grumble*
[8/16/2016 3:33:25 PM] Aleph: ^_^
[8/16/2016 3:33:32 PM] Rook: PART THE FIVE
[8/16/2016 3:34:59 PM] Rook: ...
[8/16/2016 3:35:03 PM] *** Rook zoned out listening to Nujabes ***
[8/16/2016 3:35:05 PM] Rook: cough cough
[8/16/2016 3:35:08 PM] *** Aleph prods ***
[8/16/2016 3:35:11 PM] Rook: MEEEEEH
[8/16/2016 3:35:12 PM] Rook: I'M GOING
[8/16/2016 3:35:14 PM] Rook: ._.
[8/16/2016 3:35:19 PM] Aleph: You're gonna wanna read this session : 3
[8/16/2016 3:35:21 PM] Rook: Anyway!
[8/16/2016 3:35:36 PM] Rook: it's hot and muggy, and is stultifying even a real word
[8/16/2016 3:35:39 PM] Rook: Is that a word
[8/16/2016 3:35:41 PM] Aleph: yes
[8/16/2016 3:35:42 PM] Rook: I have never heard that word before
[8/16/2016 3:35:52 PM] Rook: o_O
[8/16/2016 3:36:02 PM] Rook: well ok then!
[8/16/2016 3:36:06 PM] Aleph: stultify (ˈstʌltɪfʌɪ)
verb
gerund or present participle: stultifying
1. cause to lose enthusiasm and initiative, especially as a result of a tedious or restrictive routine.
[8/16/2016 3:36:10 PM] Aleph: ES is a showoff
[8/16/2016 3:36:20 PM] Rook: Keris finishes --meeeeh--her FOOD and then heads off
[8/16/2016 3:36:30 PM] Rook: Catalyst of the Red Sunrise, SPOOK CENTRAL
[8/16/2016 3:36:37 PM] Rook: and rivertime!
[8/16/2016 3:36:48 PM] Rook: northern Middle Lands
[8/16/2016 3:36:49 PM] Rook: hmm
[8/16/2016 3:36:50 PM] Aleph: Keris is actually more comfortable in a river than on a feather bed
[8/16/2016 3:36:53 PM] Aleph: due to her Charm loadout
[8/16/2016 3:37:09 PM] Rook: aaaand she's about there!
[8/16/2016 3:37:12 PM] Rook: shallow laaaake
[8/16/2016 3:37:14 PM] Rook: and yeah I know lol
[8/16/2016 3:37:22 PM] Rook: a few ruins; monkeys!
[8/16/2016 3:37:23 PM] Aleph: And gets a better night's sleep from four hours in a frozen-over ditch than eight under silk sheets
[8/16/2016 3:37:25 PM] Rook: I like all the description.
[8/16/2016 3:37:29 PM] Aleph: ^_^
[8/16/2016 3:37:52 PM] Rook: so I'm imagining Keris throws that gravel with her hair
[8/16/2016 3:37:55 PM] Rook: even though it doesn't specify
[8/16/2016 3:38:15 PM] Aleph: Probably, yes
[8/16/2016 3:38:28 PM] Aleph: Her Ranged Style is an angyalkae sling style used with the hair
[8/16/2016 3:38:47 PM] Rook: ... oho.
[8/16/2016 3:38:48 PM] Rook: Echo.
[8/16/2016 3:39:00 PM] Aleph: : D
[8/16/2016 3:39:20 PM] Aleph: One of those *dashslicesliceslice* *beat* *collapse* things
[8/16/2016 3:39:27 PM] Rook: Echo!
[8/16/2016 3:39:44 PM] Rook: CAVE!
[8/16/2016 3:39:49 PM] Aleph: Oh, /that/ Echo
[8/16/2016 3:40:03 PM] Aleph: Not the murderwaif one
[8/16/2016 3:40:05 PM] Aleph: : P
[8/16/2016 3:40:07 PM] Rook: lol
[8/16/2016 3:40:53 PM] Rook: Keris the gymnast almost sticks the landing
[8/16/2016 3:41:04 PM] Rook: 2/10 would not put on Olympic team
[8/16/2016 3:41:08 PM] Aleph: well no
[8/16/2016 3:41:10 PM] Aleph: she would cheat
[8/16/2016 3:41:15 PM] Aleph: and also self-seed the competition
[8/16/2016 3:41:56 PM] Rook: ... oh, /Keris/
[8/16/2016 3:42:09 PM] Aleph: I can guess what prompted that
[8/16/2016 3:42:22 PM] Aleph: "it isn't until she's mostly cleared out the first tunnel that it occurs to Keris to consider whether opening a possibly-non-flooded tunnel at the bottom of her newfound lake is a good idea or not."
[8/16/2016 3:42:26 PM] Rook: yeeeeeep
[8/16/2016 3:42:36 PM] Rook: Dulmea and I sighed at about the same time methinks
[8/16/2016 3:43:18 PM] Rook: Alabaster!
[8/16/2016 3:43:24 PM] Rook: She remember by taste!
[8/16/2016 3:43:28 PM] Rook: *remembers
[8/16/2016 3:43:32 PM] Aleph: Her taste is as good as her hearing
[8/16/2016 3:43:39 PM] Rook: >it's gypsum
[8/16/2016 3:43:41 PM] Aleph: she can taste what colour your eyes are by licking your cheek
[8/16/2016 3:43:44 PM] Rook: ...
[8/16/2016 3:43:47 PM] Rook: you're fucking with me
[8/16/2016 3:43:51 PM] Rook: Really?
[8/16/2016 3:43:53 PM] Aleph: magic lol
[8/16/2016 3:44:01 PM] Rook: I don't know why I'm surprised at this point
[8/16/2016 3:44:03 PM] Aleph: remind me to quote you her first experience with it
[8/16/2016 3:44:11 PM] Rook: will do
[8/16/2016 3:44:13 PM] Aleph: she got overwhelmed by the sudden explosion of taste and fell over
[8/16/2016 3:44:21 PM] Aleph: which brought her lips into contact with the floor
[8/16/2016 3:44:29 PM] Aleph: she then proceeded to roll 26 successes
[8/16/2016 3:44:32 PM] Rook: ahahahahahaha
[8/16/2016 3:44:37 PM] Aleph: She was still twitching when Sasi found her
[8/16/2016 3:44:43 PM] Rook: amazing
[8/16/2016 3:44:45 PM] Aleph: And alabaster does contain gypsum
[8/16/2016 3:44:48 PM] Aleph: Alabaster - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
[8/16/2016 3:44:52 PM] Rook: I did not know this.
[8/16/2016 3:44:57 PM] Rook: I learned something today!
[8/16/2016 3:45:02 PM] Rook: Thank you future EarthScorpion!
[8/16/2016 3:45:10 PM | Edited 3:45:19 PM] Aleph: Or more accurately, it is gypsum, and also another type of mineral
[8/16/2016 3:45:36 PM] Rook: dead monkeeeeey
[8/16/2016 3:45:39 PM] Aleph: : D
[8/16/2016 3:45:47 PM] Rook: ...
[8/16/2016 3:45:51 PM] Rook: "mmm, monkey, yum"
[8/16/2016 3:45:52 PM] Rook: KERIS
[8/16/2016 3:45:52 PM] Rook: PLS
[8/16/2016 3:45:55 PM] Aleph: : P
[8/16/2016 3:46:20 PM] Rook: IT'S ALIIIIIIIIIIIVE
[8/16/2016 3:46:26 PM] Aleph: Yup!
[8/16/2016 3:46:29 PM] Aleph: Keris's first demon.
[8/16/2016 3:46:32 PM] Aleph: She can /create life/.
[8/16/2016 3:47:12 PM] Rook: Dulmea pls
[8/16/2016 3:47:14 PM] Rook: Keris pls
[8/16/2016 3:47:18 PM] Rook: Jesus wept
[8/16/2016 3:47:18 PM] Aleph: Hmm?
[8/16/2016 3:47:30 PM] Rook: Mavaroska, hm?
[8/16/2016 3:47:35 PM] Aleph: Jesus wept?
[8/16/2016 3:47:38 PM] Aleph: At what?
[8/16/2016 3:47:47 PM] Rook: More of a general exclamation
[8/16/2016 3:47:53 PM] Aleph: tell me what you're commenting ooooooon~
[8/16/2016 3:48:00 PM] Rook: It was more of a "oh my God you /guys/" at the interplay and the reactions of the two
[8/16/2016 3:48:10 PM] Aleph: Ah, them throwing shade at the neomah?
[8/16/2016 3:48:11 PM] Rook: .. she spent a good few hours on it, eh?
[8/16/2016 3:48:12 PM] Rook: yeah
[8/16/2016 3:48:14 PM] Aleph: : V
[8/16/2016 3:48:23 PM] Rook: Firisutu.
[8/16/2016 3:48:23 PM] Aleph: Dulmea is a Proper Lady
[8/16/2016 3:48:25 PM] Rook: ... omg
[8/16/2016 3:48:26 PM] Aleph: ^_^
[8/16/2016 3:48:29 PM] Rook: it's holding her hair
[8/16/2016 3:48:31 PM] Rook: EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
[8/16/2016 3:48:32 PM] Aleph: so cute~
[8/16/2016 3:48:35 PM] Rook: CUTE!
[8/16/2016 3:49:08 PM] Rook: ...
[8/16/2016 3:49:09 PM] Rook: oh dear
[8/16/2016 3:49:13 PM] Aleph: THOSE DICE
[8/16/2016 3:49:19 PM] Rook: Firisutu is scared and SO AM I
[8/16/2016 3:49:27 PM] Rook: also AAAAAAA
[8/16/2016 3:49:28 PM] Rook: DICE
[8/16/2016 3:50:01 PM] Rook: HUEG CENTIPEDE
[8/16/2016 3:50:13 PM] Rook: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[8/16/2016 3:50:14 PM] Aleph: IT R GIANTGANTIC
[8/16/2016 3:50:18 PM] Rook: YES IT R
[8/16/2016 3:50:23 PM] Rook: IT BE HUEG
[8/16/2016 3:50:27 PM] Rook: and that be part the five!
 
Honestly? Oramus shouldn't have a Charmset. Neither should Cytherea or Sachaverell.

Sometimes some ideas while they make cool setting fluff are not things PCs should have access to, not just because they lack a mechanical balance but because the very idea of mechanizing them would lessen them.

Oramus is the dragon beyond the world. He is the part of the map that is unexplored and unexplorable. He is why "here be dragons" is a warning. You don't get to travel into the Beyond or view the Things That Can Not And Must Not Be. You don't get to known Cytherea. You don't get to be Contessa, even if your Path might be something you don't want.

Sometimes things aren't meant for PCs and that's perfectly fine. Sometimes things really are better if they remain a mystery. Considering all three of the above Yozi can be safely and roundly ignored in every single game that is ever played... I don't feel the need to pull back the curtain.
 
EarthScorpion said:
As @Revlid once said, the idea of a Yozi Charmset is that it's an antagonist - there's a way it wants to be used, and if you just give into it you're Jackie Estacado becoming the Darkness' creature. And that means it's the limits and constraints and the incentives that really define a Yozi Charmset.
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I'd honestly say that "antagonist" is far too strong a word. It implies that you're under active assault.

No, Malfeas isn't trying to beat you into submission via his charmset (much as he'd like to), it's just that he doesn't have any tools in his toolset aside from "OBEY!" and "SUFFER!", so the powers he grants are going to work most easily if you mimic his way of handling things. Infernals can pick Charms from multiple Yozis, so they aren't as constrained as they could be, but there's still a definite sense of consequence: you are taking of their power, and if you are unwise in what you take, you could become something you never wished to become.

They're not the enemy, no more than lead poisoning from faulty pipes is an enemy. Infernal Charms are views of reality and ways of channeling Essence that were borrowed from a pantheon of creatures that are all, by human standards, mentally ill. If you drip some food coloring in a glass of water, all of the water is eventually affected. It's not active intent, it's (motonic) science in action.

On a related note, I'd say that it might be a good idea to retool how Torment works, making it be triggered by wilfull defiance of your chief Yozi's nature (a Malfean begging for mercy, a SWLIHN-ite actively encouraging people to deny their assigned roles, etc.), representing how your Yozi tissue transplant means you now share an echo of their own metaphysical allergies. Acts of Villainy become a way of treating this contamination, immersing yourself in your patron's nature to flush out the accumulated conceptual allergens you've built up.
 
I'm trying to cobble together a Sidereal, and two of the Auspicious Abilities are eating my brain.

"Brawl" and "Endurance", two things that don't appear to exist in any other Exalted book I have access to and that I can't find descriptions for in the MoEP:S book so far.

What are these? Are these actual things, or did somebody fuck up and leave in some old bits of legacy code from an earlier design phase?

While I'm at it, anyone have any suggestions on how to navigate the Sidereal charmset - or even better, any Sidereal homebrew I could use?
 
GardenerBriareus said:
I'm trying to cobble together a Sidereal, and two of the Auspicious Abilities are eating my brain.

"Brawl" and "Endurance", two things that don't appear to exist in any other Exalted book I have access to and that I can't find descriptions for in the MoEP:S book so far.

What are these? Are these actual things, or did somebody fuck up and leave in some old bits of legacy code from an earlier design phase?

While I'm at it, anyone have any suggestions on how to navigate the Sidereal charmset - or even better, any Sidereal homebrew I could use?
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LOL it sounds like they copy-pasted stuff from not just 1E but straight back to Aberrant.

Replace them with "Martial Arts" and "Resistance."
 
As for navigating the Charmset, bear in mind that the trees deliberately do not sync with their Abilities as a statement of how Sidereals Do Things, and you should look at them more as a "toolbox my character has access too" rather than "what my character is/does." This means, unfortunately, you have to read the entire chapter from end to end to have an idea of where "the Sidereal way of doing things" sorts out where particular abilities lie.

Either way, you're going to want Performance, Socialize and Dodge, since they have the most complete defense kit and iconic Sidereals Getting Shit options between them.
 
GardenerBriareus said:
I'm trying to cobble together a Sidereal, and two of the Auspicious Abilities are eating my brain.

"Brawl" and "Endurance", two things that don't appear to exist in any other Exalted book I have access to and that I can't find descriptions for in the MoEP:S book so far.

What are these? Are these actual things, or did somebody fuck up and leave in some old bits of legacy code from an earlier design phase?

While I'm at it, anyone have any suggestions on how to navigate the Sidereal charmset - or even better, any Sidereal homebrew I could use?
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MJ12 Commando said:
LOL it sounds like they copy-pasted stuff from not just 1E but straight back to Aberrant.

Replace them with "Martial Arts" and "Resistance."
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Brawl and Endurance are also used in First Edition. Are you using a first edition book?

Though, copy paste is a big issue with Sidereals. There's errata, but things are still a bit wonky. Especially astrology: the canon mechanics are one of the most punishing limit like systems in Exalted, right up there with Abyssal Dark fate, and with less ways to avoid them.

Can you give some information on the game and character?
 
GardenerBriareus said:
I'm trying to cobble together a Sidereal, and two of the Auspicious Abilities are eating my brain.

"Brawl" and "Endurance", two things that don't appear to exist in any other Exalted book I have access to and that I can't find descriptions for in the MoEP:S book so far.

What are these? Are these actual things, or did somebody fuck up and leave in some old bits of legacy code from an earlier design phase?

While I'm at it, anyone have any suggestions on how to navigate the Sidereal charmset - or even better, any Sidereal homebrew I could use?
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It is widely known that most of the Sidereal Charm set is copypasted straight from their 1e book, which had Brawl and Endurance as Abilities.

As for advice, I'd say use the 2.5 errata. I played a 2.5 Sid for over two years and it worked as well as a 2e hack can hope.
 
GardenerBriareus said:
On a related note, I'd say that it might be a good idea to retool how Torment works, making it be triggered by wilfull defiance of your chief Yozi's nature (a Malfean begging for mercy, a SWLIHN-ite actively encouraging people to deny their assigned roles, etc.), representing how your Yozi tissue transplant means you now share an echo of their own metaphysical allergies. Acts of Villainy become a way of treating this contamination, immersing yourself in your patron's nature to flush out the accumulated conceptual allergens you've built up.
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I don't know, I could see this easily becoming really constrictive. What exactly would entail defying your patron's nature? If an infernal that favors Cecelyne tries to set up a genuinely just society, would she be constantly hit with torment for it? If an infernal that favors Malfeas tries to sneak into to local satrap's palace, would he be hit with torment for it? The Yozi have pretty all encompassing and inhuman natures, and it could be pretty difficult to always act in line with them. Moreover, it would reduce the sacrifice of taking the personality altering charms, at least form their patron, if all infernals were already acting more or less in accordance to their patrons nature.
 
Take heart in the fact that 1e Sids is widely considered to be a high-watermark of the line as a whole, so while its not as applicable to your situation as you'd hope, its easily the best book about Sidereals you're going to see, period.

If nothing else, you're seeing the Charms section as it was originally intended to be seen, and not the hackjob they made out of the formatting in the Second, up to and including misplacing the Maiden Scriptures AFTER the trees they originally used as introductions for, and therefore gave you a primer of what that particular tree is all about, as though they were simply puff-piece window dressing. Just really a mess all around.
 
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