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I like when mppi write omakes of the stories. They are usually funny, entertaining and quite awesome. I want more.

I hate when mppi write omakes of the stories. They are usually funny, entertaining and quite awesome. I want more. And that would mean mppi would have less time for the other stories.


It's complicated OK!?


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CastleTrime said:
Even if you did that they seem fairly slow firing which is my explanation for why SGC never did that. They probably experimented with doing so but concluded it wasn't worth it.
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With its current rate of fire, if it can be made accurate enough, it's a decent DMR/anti-materiel rifle. Then you bring in a physicsbender that can up the fire rate and turn it into either a carbine or a GPMG.
 
imya t'loak said:
This chapter has me torn.

Do I want more wordz in the canon universe or more wordz in this sidestory universe? Then again, I just re-read "Taylor is DOOMed" and want more wordz there.

About the only thing I can actually determine at this point, is that I'm addicted to wordz.
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I think what we really need is a four way crossover where TV!Taylor, DL!Taylor, and Bolo!Taylor all meet up with DOOM!Taylor and spend a while helping her out with some improved equipment.
 
p_l said:
Well, for one, I'd assume that the requested security level of Prime Asset would mean that they upgraded to less shitty munition than DU/tracer mix. HE might be currently used but I'd personally go for modern solution of timed fuse fragmentation/flechette ammo as it greatly increases the chances of hit. The timed fuse is set as the projectile leaves the barrel, using data provided by the targeting system and known velocity of the bullet.



Well, there's now AEGIS Ashore too... :)
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The problem with that is that, yes, you will likely hit, but that the particles may/will probably not be large enough to do enough effective damage. Small holes, yes, which sufficient - supersonic - speeds may allow the airframe to tear and distort enough to divert the airframe, but not necessarily enough to mission/total kill the airframe in enough time to be ineffective in its purpose. Other than the awkwardness of the setup, this is one of the reasons that the X-25 "smart grenade" failed to find mainstream use in the Army - it didn't do enough damage on average to justify the expense of using it.

There is, on the other hand, a public news story in which a CIWS accidentally left in auto-defense buzz-sawed the wing of a friendly aircraft that was not transmitting the proper IFF. The HE rounds might have had a similar effect overall, over a greater area, but may not have had the penetration to actually kill the airframe.

The primary alternate to DU rounds, that is actually in the inventory for ready distribution, is Tungsten penetrators. I'm not sure, but I suspect that, due to industrial processes creating a demand for Tungsten other than the government, the DU rounds are ironically less expensive.
cryptoam said:
This. I thought it was fairly obvious which version the omake was referring to.

Not sure about that. The CIWS system that I know of that has such capability is the Rheinmetall Oerlikon Millennium Gun(well, that's the full official name). It uses 35mil rounds (AHEAD) with a programmable magnetic fuse (uses magnetism to program each round, not as the actual fusing signal). I'm not sure you can do the same for 20 mil rounds that the Phalanx system uses.
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That's the initial problem, it was obvious. The combination of terminology used indicated the Naval version/supply line even if the two versions are effectively the same in any other respect. As to the Aegis Weapon System, with the exception of the RDT&E setups, there are NO shore versions and it has very little, other than a higher resolution radar/targeting feed, to do with CIWS such that the CIWS mount would be even more effective, and maybe less obvious, with a more dedicated system (which it technically already has with the integral radar/targeting system). The smallest synthetic aperture radar panel associated with the AWS system to fulfill the purpose intended is still larger than man-size and requires a significant mounting pedestal that would draw even more unusual attention to it being installed.

I believe that this is getting into significant derail territory and should be brought to an end.
 
Primary reason to use HE rounds over solid AP rounds of any composition is the "backstop".

There's a good chance you going to be engaging in such a manner your misses will fall in a populated area, at which point having it come down as a rain of lightweight shell splinters after the self destruct fuses burst the shell is vastly preferable to intact projectiles!
 
To everyone talking about the CIWS ammo, there seems to be a dimension to the argument that you are missing: parahumans. Specifically, the threat of Alexandria packages and flying blasters/shakers. And most of the ones that other nations would throw at the Prime Asset for capture or destruction missions would be significantly more durable than any airframe could possibly be.
woodzrox said:
I too am curious about Taylor's DOOMed/not DOOMed state, but I also want to study history of the Regiment and it's Honours.
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Its in her personal title, so I imagine she still is.
 
CIWS ammo to protect the prime asset ... the best one you have.

You have multiple ways to determine 'best' ... you get multiple CIWS.

Not sure what the problem would be?

I loved the SGU crossover. But if they're actually apparently explaining and getting feedback on the GTFO strategies with Taylor and Danny, there's going to be some epic Omakes going forward...
"GTFO evac plan 000 thru 422 have failed.. time for 423... OH SHIT."
 
When you are hunting aircraft, you want HE - or in practice it's HE with tiny bit of fragmentation warhead support. DU against aircraft tend to overpenetrate. Against missiles it makes more sense as they are much more dense and normal HE won't do a thing, as CIWS is pretty much last ditch prayer to the point that I am surprised they've got the kill ratio they got with ground-based variants.

As for fragmenting - it seems it was indeed the rheinmetall 35mm, however I figured that if we're going "budget = yes" as implied by certain chapters, there might be... allowances in procurement that wouldn't be made for normal naval units. And if I recall the test photos right, the rheinmetall really made a mess out of targets ;)

(Of course, my personal like goes towards insanity like AK-630 in its native environment of twin-gun turrets...)
 
You know, I could see Taylor meeting Albert Wily... the fact that she wants to learn from him would help sidestep his Pride (in the Seven Deadly Sins (classical) sense of things) - his friendship with Thomas Light was because he was the only one who was anywhere NEAR his level - and as such was able to see how smart Albert is. In turn, Albert was the only one to have always given Thomas's ideas credit.

In turn, Taylor could help ensure Wily doesn't miss some of the more simple oversights... though they might have been helped along by the E-Crystals... the fact that they INFEST THE PLANET should make how useful they are suspicious. Drawing Power from conflict has parallels to shards, though in this case it would be literal.
(one of the big differences between the two timelines, which could tie into why the general trend of how the world is being very different, is fighting the literal embodiment of Negativity. The event that causes the timelines to diverge is discovering Cyberspace earlier.)


The only problem is Knight Templar Duo (and potentially his companion unit Sunstar) - maybe she'd facilitate thier 'reincarnation' into X and Zero?
Cyberspace has a LOT of similarities to Shardspace, after all

(the story Burn the Brigde Home actually makes a comparison to Worm... but the last thing anyone would need is Zion not staying dead, similarly to Zero...)
 
Am I the only one who thought Taylor was an insufferable Mary Sue in that Omake? Not only was she insufferable Mary Sue, she was damn stupid one, even ignoring that she's clearly in military base full of people with guns who aren't going to like her being there without permission, she just starts stealing shit, and then decides to hide in a supply closet.

There was a painful lack of common sense on Taylor's part here that made it just an infuriating read. I was honestly expecting her to be captured (probably by walking into Carter coming out the women's restroom), read the Riot Act by O'Neill or Hammond, and given a clear explanation of exactly how many decades she'd be looking at in prison for espionage if she was over 18... before joining SG1 on Space Adventures.
 
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DoctorNobody said:
Am I the only one who thought Taylor was an insufferable Mary Sue in that Omake? Not only was she insufferable Mary Sue, she was damn stupid one, even ignoring that she's clearly in military base full of people with guns who aren't going to like her being there without permission, she just starts stealing shit, and then decides to hide in a supply closet.

There was a painful lack of common sense on Taylor's part here that made it just an infuriating read. I was honestly expecting her to be captured (probably by walking into Carter coming out the women's restroom), read the Riot Act by O'Neill or Hammond, and given a clear explanation of exactly how many decades she'd be looking at in prison for espionage if she was over 18... before joining SG1 on Space Adventures.
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Despite narrative conflict suggesting otherwise, Taylor is always a "Mary Sue," being the MC + Plot Armor.

As to the other, with the shield in place, the SG team knew there was absolutely nothing they could do in a meaningful amount of time, so why waste their breath threatening the teenager that is trying to leave anyway? Especially one that just saved them multiple millions of dollars in research and production budgets, not counting the overall time to do the research, on her way out to a totally different reality?
 
DoctorNobody said:
Am I the only one who thought Taylor was an insufferable Mary Sue in that Omake? Not only was she insufferable Mary Sue, she was damn stupid one, even ignoring that she's clearly in military base full of people with guns who aren't going to her being there without permission, she just starts fucking stealing shit, and then decides to hide in a fucking supply closet.

There was a painful lack of common sense on Taylor's part here that made it just an infuriating read. I was honestly expecting her to be captured (probably by walking into coming out the women's restroom), read the Riot Act by O'Neill or Hammond, and given a clear explanation of exactly how many decades she'd be looking at in prison for espionage if she was over 18... before joining SG1 on Space Adventures.
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Well, she arguably did get caught because she didn't think things through, and things only worked out for her though pure luck -- if she hadn't miraculously managed to tinker up a functional shield generator, she would have been more or less screwed. That said, it's not that I don't get where you come from. She is painfully arrogant and reckless, acting with the implicit assumption that she is not just the smartest person in the room, but on the planet. Which is the kind of thing which could have really come to bite her, since she plain didn't really know all that much about the reality she suddenly found herself in. At the same time, a more realistic reaction would have been to GTFO of the military base, carefully research the world she found herself in, make a plan to gather the resources she needs, and return back home without ever engaging with the locals in a meaningful way. Plot-wise, that's not much of a story, unfortunately.

As a side note, now I am kind of interested whether that kind of implicit arrogance is going to be a plot-point in the main story, and she has to learn the hard way that for all her intelligence, she can be wrong, can make mistakes, and given her importance to the world at large, even a small slip up can have disastrous consequences. Not sure how well that would mesh with the tone of the story, but it's the kind of thing that would allow her to grow as a character, I think.
 
Norr said:
Physics, nursing a beer at the bar: Thesh.. all theesh shientishts... they all shink they know sho musch. Heischenberg prinshiple thish, exschootic particlesh that. They know noshing! Only... only Taylor Undershtandsh me.
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Honestly, I think physics would be getting stoned. "There's like.... all these.... dimensions, man. They're just... out there. It's huge. Like... dimensions man. And, Dude! Dude! Dude! You know what? There's aliens, man! Aliens! In like, Space! And Taylor's the only who knows they're there... Blows you mind, man. Blows your mind. Just Boom!" Physics waves it hands around. "Just blown, man, just blown."
 
MTB said:
And on a totally unrelated note: How far has the 'clone the circle' project come?
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Poorly. Someone swapped the requisition forms with the 'square the circle' project, and now we've got a bunch of compasses and straight-edges and they've got our LizardTech gene sequences.


J-Sail said:
I believe that this is getting into significant derail territory and should be brought to an end.
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If you feel something is a derail and needs to stop, then stop it. Don't post a reply and then end with a demand that everyone else shut up and leave you with the last word.


scocdp said:
At the same time, a more realistic reaction would have been to GTFO of the military base,
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How? Sneaking out of a secure military facility is only slightly easier than sneaking in, and much harder than sneaking around once you're already inside.
 
macdjord said:
How? Sneaking out of a secure military facility is only slightly easier than sneaking in, and much harder than sneaking around once you're already inside.
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Actually, sneaking anywhere on a secure military base is NOT easy in the slightest. In, out, around, doesn't matter. On the other hand, IF you can manage to LOOK like you belong AND know what you are doing/your way around, far too many soldiers who should know better are likely to see you and assume you do belong and are someone else's problem/responsibility. Basically, if you are wearing the right gear, look busy and confident, and don't try to go through a checkpoint where ID's are checked, you can often move around quite freely.
 
scocdp said:
Well, she arguably did get caught because she didn't think things through, and things only worked out for her though pure luck -- if she hadn't miraculously managed to tinker up a functional shield generator, she would have been more or less screwed.
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Without the shield Generator, she would instead have had to hide invisibly and inaudibly near the ceiling once she knew they were coming. She had plenty of warning, and space to store everything important. It would have taken her slightly longer to get out, and there wouldn't have been a confrontation of any kind, but the shield generator wasn't specifically necessary to her success.

Hitting the Lab at lunch though was the only reason it took less than a day and significantly reduced her time stuck and chances of getting caught.
 
DoctorNobody said:
Am I the only one who thought Taylor was an insufferable Mary Sue in that Omake? Not only was she insufferable Mary Sue, she was damn stupid one, even ignoring that she's clearly in military base full of people with guns who aren't going to like her being there without permission, she just starts stealing shit, and then decides to hide in a supply closet.
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This is basically a light-crack fic and the omake turns that up to 11. Those are viable complaints against a serious story, but here they are features, not bugs.
 
Sleepyfoo said:
Without the shield Generator, she would instead have had to hide invisibly and inaudibly near the ceiling once she knew they were coming. She had plenty of warning, and space to store everything important. It would have taken her slightly longer to get out, and there wouldn't have been a confrontation of any kind, but the shield generator wasn't specifically necessary to her success.

Hitting the Lab at lunch though was the only reason it took less than a day and significantly reduced her time stuck and chances of getting caught.
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Indeed.

On another note, Jack and Hammond trying to lock her up probably open up an interdimensional war once her Earth tracks her down to get her back, which neither planet can really sustain (SG-1 Earth is dealing with a war against the Gou'uld, while Earth Bet is trying to stop society from collapsing).
 
J-Sail said:
Despite narrative conflict suggesting otherwise, Taylor is always a "Mary Sue," being the MC + Plot Armor.
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Calling the main character a "Mary Sue" is just another insulting way of saying the author is a hack and his characterization sucks. The term "Mary Sue" has been completed detached from its original meaning, doesn't currently have an agreed upon objective definition, and has thus devolved to becoming a cheap insult attached to any competent female character at some time or other. More useful and less insulting is to describe what is wrong with the character as constructive criticism in the context of the story being told.

In this story Taylor is basically a Marvel Comics level super-genius, much like Tony Stark is. Her super power is super intelligence. Taylor doesn't get tagged as a parahuman, even though she basically is one, in the Worm universe as she doesn't have the markers used to identify the shard based supers. Also because of her value they don't want her locked away by the PRT and the military has grabbed her instead. Tony wouldn't approve.

Sam Carter is basically the genius in SG1, Taylor is a level higher and Sam suspected her as being an Ancient. She may well be genetically one through some weird path of inheritance and that may explain her super intelligence. I expect that as a follow on they will do a deep analysis of the biological waste Taylor left behind to figure out what she was, they likely will have a DNA sample they can look at for certain genetic markers.

I don't buy that Taylor is just some smart kid who is good at science. She gets far too much from cursory examination of tech objects and invents science without the intervening steps normally used. It would be nice if the story did explain how and why she is so smart, she is well above anything that would normally naturally occur.
 
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zzfanz said:
It would be nice if the story did explain how and why she is so smart, she is well above anything that would normally naturally occur.
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I'm not sure this is accurate - and even if it's accurate for our universe, for all we know it's inaccurate for MPpi's various Worm-universes, because at the end of the day they are works of fiction. At the end of the day, the premise of this story is that Taylor's smart enough to intercept and eventually interpret alien subspace transmissions with various stuff she managed to acquire from HAM radio suppliers, jewelry stores, and the various warehouses owned by the Dockworkers Union. If that breaks your Suspension of Disbelief, then maybe you should find a different story.
 
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