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E.I.G. said:
Personally, my headcanon is still that the PTV shard is actually a monkey's paw. It gives the worst possible technically successful result for the user.
Eden dies specifically because she got distracted using it, and as soon as it gets loose to Countessa she starts on the path of terrible descisions.
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Iirc, PTV was Eden's old simulation shard she used every cycle, then she got a new one/toy and decided not to use it, got distracted/sabotaged by the new one, and then tried to fix the problem after the crash by limiting PTV like a monkey's paw. And promptly got lobotomized.
 
arromdee said:
Alexandria wouldn't try to go through the bureaucracy to find out what's going on. Rather, she would go to Contessa and ask her for "Path to telling me who's behind it with names and addresses and history". Contessa's power is able to give her information she doesn't know about, and doing so wouldn't involve predicting outer space transmissions or peering into Shard-forbidden scientific areas, so the possible reasons why it fails on Taylor would not apply.
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FaerieKnight79 said:
Considering that Contessa has found herself unable to path anything involving Brockton Bay, and yes that includes individual people as well as event...
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Which is why Rebecca's trying to throw her weight around bureaucratically. She's just not used to being told 'no'.
 
In my head I can't stop imagining everyone in Cauldron asking Contessa questions like:

"Path to contact the tinker responsible for the anti-grab tech!"

"ERROR" ( Because there is not such thing )

"OMG! ANOTHER PARAHUMAN TAHT CAN EVADE CONTESSA! DANGER DANGER WILL ROB"

"OK Path to stop such a menace!"

"ERROR!" (PtV is getting pissed of all this shit!)

"AGH!"


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The question is exactly why PtV doesn't work.

The two main reasons why it might not work shouldn't affect just using it for information.
 
arromdee said:
The question is exactly why PtV doesn't work.

The two main reasons why it might not work shouldn't affect just using it for information.
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Could it be due it being an outside context problem we know the space wales avoid sufficiently advanced civilisation so could this be a case of lack of data Since they nope right away from people who know subspace science?
 
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    • He regretted offering his opinion the moment he opened his mouth.

    "I knew it! I knew it! I knew it!" Eidolon cried, running around the room, hands thrown up in triumph. "I knew Scion wasn't the first!"

    All he did was report his belief that the mysterious 'genius' in Brockton was clearly a fake-out meant to hide the real source and...

    "I told you all we should have had Contessa Path us into Hanger 18 at Wright Patterson years ago, but you all told me to stop being crazy and go punch an Endbringer! Now they're finally going public with the reverse-engineered technology from Roswell and I was right all along!"

    "David... I was just suggesting that one non-parahuman super-genius was improbable, but that many, many regular geniuses working in secret for decades could have done it. Gravitec is just a front for DARPA's labs."

    "No," the Number Man said, clicking his pen in thought. "The Brockton Dockworkers Union has remained functional to an extent far greater than it's the numbers allow, without outside intervention, of course. A former military port, a union with a large contingent of ex-military personal, substantial available warehousing..."

    "Are you saying," Eidolon gasped, "That that's where they've been storing the Ark of the Covenant?"

    "I..." The Number Man squinted at numbers only he could see for a brief second. ".... Wasn't, but I am now."

    Doctor Mother, meanwhile, kept her belief that it was all the work of Demons who took the form of friendly kaiju to herself.

    "You're all wrong," Contessa pronounced with finality. "Gravitec's device could be used to create spacial warping enough to achieve FTL speeds. Relativity holds that FTL travel is also time travel. Therefore, it should obvious that the reason I can't path the Gravitec genius is that he or she is from the future."

    Much shocked gasping echoed throughout Cauldron.

    "Either that, or they're all ninjas."
     
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    • DoctorNobody said:
    I'd guess it's more of Coil having enough survival instincts/common sense to know not to piss off the trillion-pound, nuclear-armed gorilla in the room.
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    Coil... having survival instincts or common sense?! Would you care to share whatever you are smoking? Because it's clearly the good stuff. Coil's entire plan is "take over this city, then possibly expand to taking over the nation". That puts him in direct conflict with the "trillion-pound, nuclear-armed gorilla in the room".


    arromdee said:
    The question is exactly why PtV doesn't work.

    The two main reasons why it might not work shouldn't affect just using it for information.
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    Regardless of why PTV isn't working, the fact remains that any and all Paths that lead into or otherwise involve Brockton Bay suddenly stopped working for reasons unknown. It may or may not be related to Gravtech. But either way, Contessa has no way of knowing. Nor does she know how to ask the right questions. Since Cauldron starts and ends their theorizing with "a parahuman is responsible", all their paths to find the one responsible for Gravtech are going to fail due to looking for a Parahuman who is responsible. In addition, DARPA appears to be very careful about not banding about Taylor's name. Assuming Contessa manages to get access to a meeting or file about Gravtech, it wouldn't provide her many clues due to Taylor being referred to as "Primary Asset". Which, amusingly enough, would double down on the "must be a parahuman" thinking. It's also possible that Contessa's issues with Pathing anything in Brockton Bay started when Taylor first built her subspace receiver but this just wasn't noticed until Gravtech's rather public debut.

    If that's the case, any Path that involves getting information on the source from the Government can't work, because the government doesn't know about the subspace receiver. The only one who knows about it is Taylor herself.
     
    FaerieKnight79 said:
    Coil... having survival instincts or common sense?! Would you care to share whatever you are smoking? Because it's clearly the good stuff. Coil's entire plan is "take over this city, then possibly expand to taking over the nation". That puts him in direct conflict with the "trillion-pound, nuclear-armed gorilla in the room".
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    I believe that they are smoking a massive blunt made up of several pages from the necronomicon.
     
    After studying the subspace signals from parahumans, could Taylor build an equivalent of pirate radio, and broadcast her own signal? Like being an artificial shard.

    What would be the result of that? Would the cape she connects to start hearing voices if she was transmitting audio? If she was broadcasting video, would they see visions? If she can understand the signals and knows which ones go to which Parahuman, could she troll the capes? Imagine giving fake inference conclusions to Tattletale, fake blueprints to L33t, fake predictions to Coil, or fake steps to Contessa.

    How could such interference affect those with physical instead of mental powers, other than just jamming the signal to stop them from being used? For example, if she can learn the code for the shard signal to Glory Girl's force field power, could she alter it? Like, inverting it, So she is still protected, but she can't move it, and someone outside of it could push her around?

    Or could she build her own sort of artificial Corona Pollentia and Gemma as a device? Doing so could open the door to replicating any power in tech form. If she studied Miss Militia's power, I am sure the military would love a device that could give any soldier all of the guns, and unlimited ammo.
     
    brandonyoung said:
    What would be the result of that? Would the cape she connects to start hearing voices if she was transmitting audio? If she was broadcasting video, would they see visions? If she can understand the signals and knows which ones go to which Parahuman, could she troll the capes? Imagine giving fake inference conclusions to Tattletale, fake blueprints to L33t, fake predictions to Coil, or fake steps to Contessa.
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    Hehe I like this idea its infomation warfare on another level especially if you can screw with thinkers by giving them false positives and negatives in the long run that will really hurt various groups abilities to react to or predict what could happen and given the way some groups depend heavily on thinker support it will hamstring them.
     
    Considering Cauldron is already going into a tailspin due to Brockton Bay being unpathable, it's already happening. I am curious what Coil's up to (and hoping it's being laid out by massive migraines).
     
    FaerieKnight79 said:
    Considering Cauldron is already going into a tailspin due to Brockton Bay being unpathable, it's already happening. I am curious what Coil's up to (and hoping it's being laid out by massive migraines).
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    Coil will most likely be on someone radar wether any digging has been done is anyone's guess to find the connection between Coil and Thomas Calvert.

    As for Tommy boy given the way he left the PRT and the postion he had risen to before canon starts I think he maybe on someone's watch list if nothing else.
     
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    If what Taylor's subspace signal detector Is picking up is Shards sending signals and power to Host Gemma's, she might be taking the first steps to working out how to copy powers. After all, she has a viable power tap, and in theory I suppose her gravity reference frame modification device could be a duplicate of some Shard's power configuration. And she has Squealer's inviso-shield mostly deciphered, so that could be a second point of reference for signal interpretation.

    She just needs more data points to work with. Isn't it a good thing that she's been transferred to an area where her detection rig can data sample for around seven hours every day with little interference? :cool2:

    Edit: Arrgh! I hate when my autocorrupt program runs an update and resets my configuration.
     
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    mp3.1415player said:
    It was turning out to be a lot of fun, figuring out how a Tinker had screwed up a perfectly sensible design and fixing it. She was learning some interesting things in the process, and was wondering whether she could lay hands on more Tinker Tech...
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    This bit had me thinking...Taylor is interested in studying Parahumans and really want's to get her hands on more Tinker Tech to play with; however, as this is all a personal side project and she doesn't want anyone to know about her studies for now. I mean, if she went clean about reproducing Squealer's Cloaking Tech DARPA would be getting their hands on all the Tinker Tech they could get their hands on (and possibly "dealing" with some Tinkers if necessary), except she's not.

    So, the question becomes...how is she going to get a hold of more Tinker Tech to play around with without letting anyone know what she's doing? And why do I have the feeling that she's going to mug Chris in the near future?
     
    Yes. However, that will get major pushback from all of the other federal agencies. And some may start investigating PRT as well(compromised or just politics?).
     
    FaerieKnight79 said:
    Cue everyone's reaction upon hearing Taylor ranting about how piss poor and inept tinkers are because they keep screwing up simple devices.
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    Thinking on it that isn't the reaction that will be the most interesting.
    The most interesting is going to relate to how she's teaching others the same background that is letting her do that. So by the time she actually encounters a Tinker the event might be her and other scientists/engineers criticizing the tech.

    Actually, now I kind of want to see some of her current students independently from her look at tinkertech with this new background understanding. Because it seems fun to me that someone who isn't the group's big smart person being the first to inform a Tinker that they are making crap.
     
    It's just amusing that real super geniuses tend to be portrayed as looking down on tinkers with the opinion that Tinkers are complete hacks who don't even understand the simplest of concepts they are working with.

    EDIT: Speaking of such, I should continue working on the next Tinkering with Fate chapter.
     
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    E.I.G. said:
    Actually, now I kind of want to see some of her current students independently from her look at tinkertech with this new background understanding. Because it seems fun to me that someone who isn't the group's big smart person being the first to inform a Tinker that they are making crap.
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    Yeah, if this ever happens, it will let DARPA put a spike in the monopoly the PRT claims on confiscated Tinker designs. They'll have to go through the entire "test these individuals for signs of Coronas", but once that turns up negative the gates should open up regardless of how hard RCB fights the tide.
     
    E.I.G. said:
    Actually, now I kind of want to see some of her current students independently from her look at tinkertech with this new background understanding. Because it seems fun to me that someone who isn't the group's big smart person being the first to inform a Tinker that they are making crap.
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    Hmm would be interesting literial super genius taylor sparking innovation and research into Tinker tech again and some progress actually made.
     
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