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OstermanA said:
They say Mars was "shot up", which implies to me that the Reapers found the Mars outpost. Presumably, the Protheans ran for the relay, then blew it up with the Reaper(s) close enough that they didn't survive the detonation either.
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Or, and let me posit a possibly more radical theory... Tali is from the Incompatible Systems version of Mass Effect. That Orbital bombardment part sounds like the WIMP error.
 
Hawkmoon said:
I wonder what will happen when Geth are shown the crystal based hardware Taylor developed when she needed more processing power. And how many Geth can fit inside Taylor's phone. Probably enough to give a certain Dragonslayer a heart attack.

Question for Dinah: "What is the probability of Geth starting to ship Tali/Taylor after finding out the entire story leading to the contact?"

With the Geth getting the whole story I predict Batarians to start having computer problems.

The reaction of the board responsible for reviewing Quarian Pilgrimages will be interesting. Comments about each Zorah generation being more of an overachiever than the last so they can be "worthy of their legacy" getting to ridiculous levels.
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To your first question. All of them. With much room to spare. Enough extra space that the Geth occasionally get lost in her phone.

Second, 100% Seriously. Taylor went and REACHED THROUGH UNIVERSAL BOUNDARIES to save Tali. That translates into The Most Epic Romance Ever! Geth will simply not accept anyone else. Period.

Third question. Yes. Yes they will, especially after getting Taylors upgrades. The Slavers will suddenly be suffering from the Relays not working, to the slave chips not working, to all their dirty laundry being sent out. Also, consider just what the Geth will do to the Reapers once upgraded.

Fourth question. The Board of admirals will probably be concerned that the pilgrims will want to somehow start doing time travel to upstage Tali's events. Which, would probably lead to a group of extremely scary Quarians. I mean, they are pretty much tinkers, without tinker problems. I'm scared they might decide to just build something to steal someone's moon....
 
Amdar210 said:
Fourth question. The Board of admirals will probably be concerned that the pilgrims will want to somehow start doing time travel to upstage Tali's events. Which, would probably lead to a group of extremely scary Quarians. I mean, they are pretty much tinkers, without tinker problems. I'm scared they might decide to just build something to steal someone's moon....
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Darth Vader (in confusion: "Where is the Death Star?"
Obi-Wan Kenobi: "That's no space station, that's a moon."
Board of Admirals (while staring out a viewport at the massive moon shaped space station): "One of that line did it again..."
 
havefeith said:
Or, and let me posit a possibly more radical theory... Tali is from the Incompatible Systems version of Mass Effect. That Orbital bombardment part sounds like the WIMP error.
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No, that doesn't work. The Charon relay was found intact in Incompatible Systems, and they tugged it out of the solar system. Also, the chunk hit the Earth thousands of years ago, after having been blown clear in an event tens of thousands of years before that.

If it was anyone other than Mppi, I'd be confident that the Mars outpost was discovered and the researchers suicided on the relay to prevent the local Reaper(s) from reporting the discovery to the rest.
 
Finagle007 said:
Nope. When Shepard blew the Alpha Relay in Arrival, the explosion was indeed on par with a nova... and when the blast hit the system's star, it went nova as well. The double nova obliterated everything in the system. If someone did blow up the Charon Relay, it would have taken out all or at least most of the planets and a good chunk of the Kuiper belt, so it couldn't have been that...
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I have never played the game or even watched a playthrough. I remember watching a cutscene. now that I'm thinking about it I think it may have been about how difficult it was to damage a relay of how they are much more fragile then everyone believes, might have crossed the wires in my brain, well I bow to your superior knowledge about the series
 
mp3.1415player said:
"Leave that to me," Brendan replied. "I've got a few people in mind who will be able to do the job. We need to move fast, in case either Tali's expedient work fails, or someone stumbles across the ship."
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I was kinda hoping for a certain 4-person group who regularly investigated new locations through a wormhole device....from a certain series some might remember a decade or so ago.
 
BenGoldberg said:
I suspect that the first question the Geth will have is the same one which started the conflict, namely "Does this unit have a soul?"

I'm super interested in hearing Tali's answer.
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Tali: "Well, I don't really have a way to tell if you or anyone else has a..."

Taylor: "..."

Tali: "You built a soul detector, didn't you."

Taylor: "Yep! Slapped one together over the weekend. Soul.exe seems to be running fine by the way Mister Geth."
 
havefeith said:
That Orbital bombardment part sounds like the WIMP error.
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OstermanA said:
No, that doesn't work. The Charon relay was found intact in Incompatible Systems, and they tugged it out of the solar system. Also, the chunk hit the Earth thousands of years ago, after having been blown clear in an event tens of thousands of years before that.
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Osterman is right. The timing of the explosion on Mars and the destruction of Charon indicates it happened the last time the Reapers rolled through the Galaxy. The only thing that makes sense is the Protheans at the Mars Archive had figured out a way to self-destruct Relays without taking out the accompanying solar system, blew up the Archive, and then self-destructed the Relay. Unknown if they went through the Relay first.
 
Bigshot0910 said:
The Middle East has always been a religious hotspot. There is a reason there were at least 8 crusades in the middle ages. But once Acre fell in 1291 Europe lost the ability to effectively Force project into the region.
The difference in this alt-history is no WW2. That means no Holocaust, and no Israel. That changes the geo-political situation of the a great deal.
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I don't think the crusades were all that important to the region even in their time, let alone in the 22nd century.

Would agree with you and more with Sandy River DL that the totally different (and relatively undocumented) 20th-century alternate history of the region is a more relevant consideration.
 
Rajvik_wolfboy said:
you know, having the Geth ask that makes me think of a possible NGEXME crossover, where the Geth reach Instrumentality without even trying by putting all their instances into one unit
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Heeeeeeeyyyyy~ now that idea really sounds FUN.

All jokes aside that concept really does sound like a fun read. Has anybody tried to write that?
 
rdmcmains said:
The only thing that makes sense is the Protheans at the Mars Archive had figured out a way to self-destruct Relays without taking out the accompanying solar system
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Assuming you made, or at least, understood the thing well enough to have made it, I could see something along the lines of a forced overload, combined with an activation (aimed off the galactic plane for safety), to let the thing blow it self up while channeling most of the explosion into the FTL transit corridor.

There should be some fractions of a second between the energy release hilariously overloading everything, and the device fully failing. Just long enough to get most of the kaboom heading out to deep space at FTL speeds. The amount of the blast not contained accounts for the damage done to Pluto.

Hell maybe they even pointed it at the attacking Reaper for a 2 for 1.
 
The boom of theRelay should be tied directly into how much Element Zero is in it. The Alpha Relay was a major relay that had insane range.

The Earth Relay led to Arcturus, about 36 LY away. It probably did not have nearly as much Element Zero and when it went boom it was merely a planet cracker.
 
I'll be honest, my first reaction to hearing about what hit the Earth, was thinking about an Alt History book called Peshawar Lancers by SM Stirling. Not everything matched up, as Lancers was only set around the late 21st century by my recollection, with the impact having occurred in the mid 18th Century as I recall. And Stirling went and patched on a supernatural enemy part way through the story for some reason. A mostly interesting book of the aftermath of a orbital strike in the mid-Industrial Age & overall I will recommend it to those of you interested in that type of thing.

Based on what you briefly provided about the history of this alt Earth, it seems to have followed a few similar paths (UK, African Empires, mostly desolated North America), but with more recovery time and a chance to settle into a new normal as well. I will look forward to seeing how this story continues, cause while I have definitely been enjoying it, this new Earth has absolutely made me perk up in interest.
 
GhostWerx said:
I'll be honest, my first reaction to hearing about what hit the Earth, was thinking about an Alt History book called Peshawar Lancers by SM Stirling. Not everything matched up, as Lancers was only set around the late 21st century by my recollection, with the impact having occurred in the mid 18th Century as I recall. And Stirling went and patched on a supernatural enemy part way through the story for some reason. A mostly interesting book of the aftermath of a orbital strike in the mid-Industrial Age & overall I will recommend it to those of you interested in that type of thing.

Based on what you briefly provided about the history of this alt Earth, it seems to have followed a few similar paths (UK, African Empires, mostly desolated North America), but with more recovery time and a chance to settle into a new normal as well. I will look forward to seeing how this story continues, cause while I have definitely been enjoying it, this new Earth has absolutely made me perk up in interest.
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It's been a while, but I don't think Peshawar Lancers had a supernatural enemy as such, just an enemy that was actively exploiting emergent psychic powers. Yes, that's some super soft SF there, but it's not exactly uncommon in post-apocalyptic settings.

In Peshawar Lancers I believe the British Isles were a desolate and mostly abandoned wasteland. The Empire was a major going concern, but the United Kingdom itself was defunct.
 
So, a quick thought happened to me.
Could the Protheans have tried to build a smaller test version of the crucible, and broke the relay that way? If we follow the ending scene, the Relays get damaged by the pulse. If the site on Mars was the R@D lab for the Crucible, then building a small test version would make sense.
So they build it. But find out they are obviously missing something to transfer the energy to the relay. (Aka the Citadel) The Protheans try to build something that would work, but it doesn't. It does break the relay, perhaps it's parts are picked up by the Protheans, and they do a long sleep thing and leave with the parts after purging their base.
It makes sense, based on Canon, doesn't change huge amounts of stuff, and is easy to understand.

What do you guys think?
 
Avernus said:
Tali: "Well, I don't really have a way to tell if you or anyone else has a..."

Taylor: "..."

Tali: "You built a soul detector, didn't you."

Taylor: "Yep! Slapped one together over the weekend. Soul.exe seems to be running fine by the way Mister Geth."
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...why is the soul an exe file?

Though I suppose it opens up the door of how you view the soul. Could be anything from a compressed data file to a yml file that feeds parameters into a possible reincarnation system.
 
While everyone seems focused on Quarians, Geth and Humans, I find it more interesting that a number of systems in Worm universe are missing planets with related ingelligent life. If that's not a Chekhov's gun for later revelations about Entities' lifecycle, I don't know what is.

P. S. Which means that Entities have already incorporated Salarian and Turian tech. Which means there's a possibility for Tali to recognize familiar designs in some of tinkertech (assuming Zion/Eden participated in Salarian/Turian destruction or interacted with those who did).
 
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Lav said:
While everyone seems focused on Quarians, Geth and Humans, I find it more interesting that a number of systems in Worm universe are missing planets with related ingelligent life. If that's not a Chekhov's gun for later revelations about Entities' lifecycle, I don't know what is.

P. S. Which means that Entities have already incorporated Salarian and Turian tech. Which means there's a possibility for Tali to recognize familiar designs in some of tinkertech (assuming Zion/Eden participated in Salarian/Turian destruction or interacted with those who did).
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A possibility, though there's also the possibility of planets being moved around in Mass Effect universe via relay shenanigans.
 
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