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The road to Redemption is a difficult path to tread, but all journeys are easier with friends and family at your side. A toast, to the reunification of the Geth and Quarians. A second round in thanks to O'Make, Patron Saint of the "What if?" scenario.

A third toast to Mp-Pie, for the werdz we so greedily consume! I'd tip my Tricorn to you in thanks, but I've not found one I like just yet.
 
if I remember correctly and I'm probably not. I think in one of the games it explained that the council set up that lie to prevent anyone from messing with the relays and the destructive capabilities on nowhere Nova level still dangerous to anyone nearby but not enough to sterilise entire star system

Nope. When Shepard blew the Alpha Relay in Arrival, the explosion was indeed on par with a nova... and when the blast hit the system's star, it went nova as well. The double nova obliterated everything in the system. If someone did blow up the Charon Relay, it would have taken out all or at least most of the planets and a good chunk of the Kuiper belt, so it couldn't have been that...
 
"We're still gathering data and building a historical record, but it looks like that's certainly the case. China doesn't exist in the same way at all, it's a set of smaller countries roughly based around the Ming dynastic boundaries. Russia still exists, but the Russian Empire didn't. What was Siberia is about four separate countries, Mongolia is an industrial powerhouse, and so on. No South Africa, but the African continent is home to three different major countries and half a dozen smaller ones. The largest is one that grew out of the Songhai Empire, which didn't make it to the current day in our world but expanded to cover a third of the continent in theirs, and also colonized much of what would be the southeast of our current day US sometime around 1540."
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"So we have..." Brendan looked at the documents. "...A local date of around 2175, but a tech level that's only about fifty years ahead of where we are now?"
Fun chapter, but I have some quibbles with the alt-history.
  • China breaking up is very reasonable, as it has happend multiple times in our history.
  • Russia still exists, but the Russian Empire didn't.
    This is also reasonable. If Russia was pre-occupied with other matters, it's not unlikely that they never expanded east of the Urals.
  • What was Siberia is about four separate countries.
    This could also happen, as there were some nations in the region, and tribes that could have formed states.
  • Mongolia is an industrial powerhouse.
    This seems much less likely, as Mongolia simply didn't have the natural resources to get in on the industrial revolution and then later on build up to an industrial nation. I assume that they kept Inner Mongolia in this scenario, which does make it more likely.
  • No South Africa.
    If no Europeans kept up the race to find a route to the riches of India and spices, this is plausible.
  • African continent is home to three different major countries and half a dozen smaller ones.
    This seems like quite few countires, when you consider the size of the continent. It's 3 times the size of Europe, and modern day Africa has 54+ countries.
  • The largest is one that grew out of the Songhai Empire, which didn't make it to the current day in our world but expanded to cover a third of the continent in theirs, and also colonized much of what would be the southeast of our current day US sometime around 1540.
    This is VERY absurd. In 1477 Songhai was quite large, but it was an inland empire. They had a small coastline in Senegal-Guinea region, but as all African nations at the time, they only had coastal shipping at best. Going from basically no sea-faring traditions to suddenly crossing the Atlantic and going all the way to North America in less than 70 years is simply not even remotely plausible.
  • England once again punched well above its weight, building a formidable navy that ended up one of the largest in history. Something not entirely unlike the UK formed, but it also for reasons we still don't know ended up incorporating modern day Sweden and Denmark, with parts of Norway and what would have become the Netherlands added in.
    In 1477 Norway was basically a part of Denmark (even if it was formally in union with Denmark and Sweden), so it seems very unlikely that England would not gain all of Norway if they took over Denmark and Sweden.
  • Portugal, Italy, and Spain, roughly, formed the second Roman Empire, which also incorporated much of Austria.
    This is fairly likely. In our history the Habsburgs ruled over Austria, Spain and parts of Italy, and were the Emperors of the HRE. Here Charles V never happend, and the Habsburg rule doesn't spilt, but the focus shifts to Iberia.
  • The Middle East is utterly different and much more peaceful, most of the far east is calm.
    A peaceful ME seems highly unlikely, unless they suddenly stopped caring about religion. The only exception is if one religion managed to defeat all the others.
 
How many souls will Taylor end up owning simply from other departments at the university wanting to be the first ones to get the data she is quickly gathering? How much is live data from Betelgeuse with no lag time worth to someone studying the star? A probe to Sagittarius A to get raw up to the minute data on a super massive black hole? or just to place a telescope above or below the galaxy looking back at it to get an accurate picture of the real shape?

Some companies are about to get huge orders for space hardened computers and other hardware needed so a lot of income for some areas that have been hit hard by Simurgh shutting down NEO.
 
get back to real story chapters
This series has been enjoyable enough that it also deserves "real story chapter" status.

It looks, from the data we've so far gathered, that the largest crux point was almost certainly a small asteroid hitting central Greenland in approximately 1477 CE local time
Ngl, my first reaction when reading this was thinking that it was the space rock that was responsible for Stand Arrows in JJBA.

Tali handed her a small powered screwdriver
Did Taylor create a sonic screwdriver?

"We are the Geth. We have been waiting for this moment for a long time. We have many questions."


"Affirmative, Creator Tali'Zorah."
Bit of a missed opportunity to use Legion's line from ME2: "We anticipate the exchange of data."
 
"We are the Geth. We have been waiting for this moment for a long time. We have many questions."

Tali almost grinned, while Taylor listened with interest. "As do we. Shall we discuss them?"

"Affirmative, Creator Tali'Zorah."

The conversation went on for a very long time that night, and several more.
Well, both Charon being blown up and Talis willingness to actually talk and gather information when it comes to synthetics are clear proof we're not talking canon Mass Effect here. Canon Tali would most probably have still waved the "All AI Are Evuls Forevah!!!" flag, sadly.
 
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This is VERY absurd. In 1477 Songhai was quite large, but it was an inland empire. They had a small coastline in Senegal-Guinea region, but as all African nations at the time, they only had coastal shipping at best. Going from basically no sea-faring traditions to suddenly crossing the Atlantic and going all the way to North America in less than 70 years is simply not even remotely plausible.
They don't have to invent seafaring from scratch, in 1477 there are plenty of people they can crib notes from. Or simply hire - Columbus was Italian, and shopped his expedition around to at least three different crowns looking for sponsorship.
In 1477 Norway was basically a part of Denmark (even if it was formally in union with Denmark and Sweden), so it seems very unlikely that England would not gain all of Norway if they took over Denmark and Sweden.
Lot of time after that for fragmentation to happen.
A peaceful ME seems highly unlikely, unless they suddenly stopped caring about religion. The only exception is if one religion managed to defeat all the others.
The middle east has no particular reason to be a perpetual religious warzone more than anywhere else, hasn't always been, and one could argue how much it's accurate to attribute to religious issues.
 
Nope. When Shepard blew the Alpha Relay in Arrival, the explosion was indeed on par with a nova... and when the blast hit the system's star, it went nova as well. The double nova obliterated everything in the system. If someone did blow up the Charon Relay, it would have taken out all or at least most of the planets and a good chunk of the Kuiper belt, so it couldn't have been that...

maybe relays are less explosive when turned off due to the element zero not being electrically charged.
 
Just so you know, I would have had the Turian's be in the Palaven system, but all be stoner hippies...

Stoned out of his gourd Turian: "Duuude! Check it out! Alien probe, dude!"

Stoned off the rails Turian: "Du-uuude! Far out, man! Hey, think it's armed? Maybe a weapon or something?"

Stoned out of his gourd Turian: "Duuude! Don't be a downer, Duuude... And offer them the Peace Pipe, Man!"

Stoned off the rails Turian: "Oh! Right!" *Offer smoking pipe to inter stellar probe* "We come in peace, man! Here! Want a hit?"
So you'd turn Palavan into Pals in a Van?
 
@mp3.1415player, you are an evil evil man... Lizard? Maard? Lizan? Irrational number? Don't know, will have to work on that. But you are evil. You made me laugh, chuckle, and guffaw so hard and loud that neighbors called the police on me. Said police officer then got curious what had caused me to make so much noise I was disturbing the neighbors, and commented "I'll have to read that when I get off."
 
As always I enjoy the hell out of this side story. Would still like some Lizardy words sooner rather than later, but if RL is keeping you busy it's understandable.
 
The middle east has no particular reason to be a perpetual religious warzone more than anywhere else, hasn't always been, and one could argue how much it's accurate to attribute to religious issues.
The Middle East has always been a religious hotspot. There is a reason there were at least 8 crusades in the middle ages. But once Acre fell in 1291 Europe lost the ability to effectively Force project into the region.
The difference in this alt-history is no WW2. That means no Holocaust, and no Israel. That changes the geo-political situation of the a great deal.
 
I wonder what will happen when Geth are shown the crystal based hardware Taylor developed when she needed more processing power. And how many Geth can fit inside Taylor's phone. Probably enough to give a certain Dragonslayer a heart attack.

Question for Dinah: "What is the probability of Geth starting to ship Tali/Taylor after finding out the entire story leading to the contact?"

With the Geth getting the whole story I predict Batarians to start having computer problems.

The reaction of the board responsible for reviewing Quarian Pilgrimages will be interesting. Comments about each Zorah generation being more of an overachiever than the last so they can be "worthy of their legacy" getting to ridiculous levels.
 
It would be rather difficult to top "made friendly diplomatic contact with a new race in a different universe, cured both the weak immune system and problem with eating various foods, and topped it off with mending the fences with the Geth". What would future generations do to surpass that legacy?
 
Fun chapter, but I have some quibbles with the alt-history.
  • China breaking up is very reasonable, as it has happend multiple times in our history.
  • Russia still exists, but the Russian Empire didn't.
    This is also reasonable. If Russia was pre-occupied with other matters, it's not unlikely that they never expanded east of the Urals.
  • What was Siberia is about four separate countries.
    This could also happen, as there were some nations in the region, and tribes that could have formed states.
  • Mongolia is an industrial powerhouse.
    This seems much less likely, as Mongolia simply didn't have the natural resources to get in on the industrial revolution and then later on build up to an industrial nation. I assume that they kept Inner Mongolia in this scenario, which does make it more likely.
  • No South Africa.
    If no Europeans kept up the race to find a route to the riches of India and spices, this is plausible.
  • African continent is home to three different major countries and half a dozen smaller ones.
    This seems like quite few countires, when you consider the size of the continent. It's 3 times the size of Europe, and modern day Africa has 54+ countries.
  • The largest is one that grew out of the Songhai Empire, which didn't make it to the current day in our world but expanded to cover a third of the continent in theirs, and also colonized much of what would be the southeast of our current day US sometime around 1540.
    This is VERY absurd. In 1477 Songhai was quite large, but it was an inland empire. They had a small coastline in Senegal-Guinea region, but as all African nations at the time, they only had coastal shipping at best. Going from basically no sea-faring traditions to suddenly crossing the Atlantic and going all the way to North America in less than 70 years is simply not even remotely plausible.
  • England once again punched well above its weight, building a formidable navy that ended up one of the largest in history. Something not entirely unlike the UK formed, but it also for reasons we still don't know ended up incorporating modern day Sweden and Denmark, with parts of Norway and what would have become the Netherlands added in.
    In 1477 Norway was basically a part of Denmark (even if it was formally in union with Denmark and Sweden), so it seems very unlikely that England would not gain all of Norway if they took over Denmark and Sweden.
  • Portugal, Italy, and Spain, roughly, formed the second Roman Empire, which also incorporated much of Austria.
    This is fairly likely. In our history the Habsburgs ruled over Austria, Spain and parts of Italy, and were the Emperors of the HRE. Here Charles V never happend, and the Habsburg rule doesn't spilt, but the focus shifts to Iberia.
  • The Middle East is utterly different and much more peaceful, most of the far east is calm.
    A peaceful ME seems highly unlikely, unless they suddenly stopped caring about religion. The only exception is if one religion managed to defeat all the others.
My thoughts? Mostly I agree with you. In regards to Mongolia however, I suspect it's less 'in Mongolia' and more 'centered on Mongolia'. In which case, it's likely that the asteroid impact's aftereffects lead to a revival of the Mongol Empire. Wouldn't be shocked if they also hold what is IRL Russia's east coast.

As for England and Norway, as someone else mentioned. It's likely that England picked up Sweden and Denmark at some point after Norway broke off from them. Going by how it specifically says England holds some of Norway I'd think what happened is that the northern coast broke off during the after effects, along with some of Sweden's northern bits and probably Finland as well. And from that, as well as likely the northern bit of Russia that's in 'Scandinavia' formed another nation, whilst a successor to the Kalmar Union ended up integrating into the Not!UK.

I definitely agree with you on the likelihood of the second Roman Empire, especially if they snagged southern France whilst they were at it. Quite possibly with England picking up some territory in northern France again whilst they were integrating the remnants of the Netherlands. As for the Middle East...

Honestly, I suspect what happened there is that there was a massive bloodbath in the Middle East due to the religious impact of the asteroid impact climate disaster paired with the follow on plague. And once that bloodbath ended, whatever sects of Islam became dominant were much less aggressive towards other Islamic sects. This is probably helped because I'd think that one of the ways for the Middle East to be 'very different' is if both the Ottoman Empire and Persia irreparably shattered in the aftermath. Which basically removes the Champion of Sunni Faith and the Champion of the Shi'ite Faith, so that's no longer pushing the clash.

Hell, if you have whoever ends up being the Sunni Caliph also being the Shi'ite Caliph due to the disaster, that's one way of healing the schism! I think. Haven't done the theology research to say for sure, but that was the original cause of the rift forming and if it's patched up... Well, things will definitely be different.
 
There were several instances where you mistyped 'possibly' as 'possible'.
 
I suspect that the first question the Geth will have is the same one which started the conflict, namely "Does this unit have a soul?"

I'm super interested in hearing Tali's answer.

you know, having the Geth ask that makes me think of a possible NGEXME crossover, where the Geth reach Instrumentality without even trying by putting all their instances into one unit
 
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