Bad guys choices, bad guys choices everywhere
The Earthling's Search; a Stellaris Quest
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Bad guys choices, bad guys choices everywhere
greatly narrows in-character views into black-and-white only. This is childishly naive and so is both boring and annoying most of the time (except when you are a child yourself or the game deconstructs said idiocy)
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[X] Meritocracy: An individuals' social station or personal connections should have no bearing on their profession. The sole basis for advancement in this society is demonstrated ability and talent.
[X]Shadow Council: Unbeknownst to its own citizens, this society is actually manipulated from behind the scenes by a secretive shadow council. Appearances must be kept, but the tyranny of the majority should also be guarded against. After all, what if the fools vote for the wrong candidate?
[X] Talented: Every human has a natural aptitude for something.
[x] Beacon of Liberty: Human society is a shining beacon of light in a sea of darkness. Liberty and individual freedoms are held in the highest regard here.
[x] Charismatic: All aliens seem to enjoy the company of humans and value their opinions.
[x] Meritocracy: An individuals' social station or personal connections should have no bearing on their profession. The sole basis for advancement in this society is demonstrated ability and talent
[x] Charismatic: All aliens seem to enjoy the company of humans and value their opinions.
[x] Meritocracy: An individuals' social station or personal connections should have no bearing on their profession. The sole basis for advancement in this society is demonstrated ability and talent
[x] Meritocracy: An individuals' social station or personal connections should have no bearing on their profession. The sole basis for advancement in this society is demonstrated ability and talent.
[x] Beacon of Liberty: Human society is a shining beacon of light in a sea of darkness. Liberty and individual freedoms are held in the highest regard here.
[x] Charismatic: All aliens seem to enjoy the company of humans and value their opinions.
[x] Beacon of Liberty: Human society is a shining beacon of light in a sea of darkness. Liberty and individual freedoms are held in the highest regard here.
[x] Charismatic: All aliens seem to enjoy the company of humans and value their opinions.
Random Member
Gardener of Human Happiness
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- Behind You
Still sad Free Haven isn't popular, we could have given a home to all the oppressed people of the galaxy.
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- Southampton, Great Britain
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- He/Him
No, it doesn't. It just means you have white in addition to black and grey. You can have genuine good guys without it being 'childish naive'.
Ghostdevil
The Devil of Ghosts
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- United States
You can have good guys but not as a whole civilization, that's dumb and pretty much ignores that civilizations are not "good" or "evil" or "Assholes"
Their nations that do the best by those that occupy it, or atleast by the majority. (Or sometimes anyways, that's what their suppose to do)
The fact that you think only being the "Good Guy" is any fun is very narrow minded, never mind that there are nearly limitless amount of quests that you can go to where you can be the "Good Guy"
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- Southampton, Great Britain
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- He/Him
And the majority of the civilisation being good people is what I am aiming for here? I never stated that I expected every single person in our civ to be good guys. Besides, we are playing as a nation here. In games/quests like this, a nation is basically a character which is good, evil or arsehole.
Not at all. The fact that you find being the good guy boring is very narrow minded. Sure, I can go to those quests, but I can do that in addition to partaking in this quest. Why don't you go to one of those quests where you play as an arsehole?
Ghostdevil
The Devil of Ghosts
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- United States
Ehhh, if this QM is anything like Academia Nut in style then this black or white Bs isn't going to get you very far.
Besides the generalization of all these quest where were not a lame ass goody two shoes is so dumb that it kinda makes you look bad, Nevermind that those kind of quests are few and far between even more so for Space Quests, the quests where being cruel or capricious is actually entertaining.
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- Location
- Southampton, Great Britain
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- He/Him
Can you use grammar properly or can someone else translate this?
Ghostdevil
The Devil of Ghosts
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- United States
If you could not insult me, thanks. Or at least try to offer a counter, it'd make you look less assholish.
Random Member
Gardener of Human Happiness
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- Behind You
Honestly, I think the whole "the Illuminati actually control everything" trope is just silly. Makes me want to roll my eyes. So yeah, I'd rather play as boring good guys than as some silly super-secret conspiracy.
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- Southampton, Great Britain
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- He/Him
I'm not insulting you. The poor grammar in that over-sized sentence is generelly preventing me from understanding what you are trying to say unless you are saying that you are saying that you are dumb for not wanting to play a good-two shoes in this quest or that space quests are rare for space quests.
You here think Illuminati, when you should think about the Greater Good (the Greater Good)
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Ghostdevil
The Devil of Ghosts
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- United States
Lemme retype it for you then, I wrote in a rush it while eating
The Generalization that all quests that are not stereotypically Good are assholish is dumb, and makes you look bad for making such an assumption.
The Quests that are "assholish" in your opinion are few and far between, even more so for space quests where being cruel or capricious is actually fun.
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- Southampton, Great Britain
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- He/Him
I didn't make that assumption. I was referring to quests where people do immoral things for an mechanical advantage or how you and a handful of others in this quest didn't want to play as good guys in this quest. I also concur with you that assumption is a bad one.
While I admit that they are rare for space quests, they aren't rare for non-space quests, just uncommon. I also disagree that being cruel or capricious is fun.
Random Member
Gardener of Human Happiness
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- Behind You
I'm not sure the QM is willing to turn this into a crack quest, but okay, that would be acceptable, I suppose.
Still not going to vote for it though.
Ghostdevil
The Devil of Ghosts
- Location
- United States
Except were not doing immoral things for a purely mechanical advantage, like how the last vote was between not being a xenophile and being a xenophile while not being one just lets us have bigger bonuses while not taking away the ability to make large alliances. And how the personal actually serious goal of mine is just Human Supremacy not mass genocide, I don't want to be the good guys because I find having conflicts both internal and external more entertaining than conflicts that can only really be external from aliens that won't join our massive alliance.
Extremely uncommon, at least compared to the constant Good guy quests that cover the forum.
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- Southampton, Great Britain
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- He/Him
We'll have to agree to disagree then.
Are you just counting SV then?
Ghostdevil
The Devil of Ghosts
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- United States
SB, SV, QQ, Anonkun, The biggest source of evilness is from the last two... and I kind of don't want to count it since its mostly evil due to them being sites of depravity, but without it Good Guy quests outnumber any other kind of quests by a significant margin.
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Nah, I'm mostly joking. It's just surprisingly hard to find a secret world government that isn't sinister and oppressive, you can count them on the fingers. Pretty much a main reason why I vote for it, I'm simply really curious how Shep will portray them
Which doesn't actually exist and usually is declared to exist to justify something awful.
Ghostdevil
The Devil of Ghosts
- Location
- United States
Well in that case black doesn't actually exist either, but that's more Real Life than a narrative
- Location
- Ural, Russia, Earth
I, for one, fully intend to play as a good guy.
I just want to be a good guy from the shadow government.