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Fools, We Will Destroy You All! ...After We Save The World! (Mad Scientist Riot Quest)(RECRUITING!)

How Should Minions Be Capped?

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However, if an individual has a skill level equal to or greater than that of the bonus, .nsm files don't help.
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So somebody with Operation 5 can't use the O5 skill they made, but they can use an Operation 4, for a total of 9.
(The O4 person can then use the O5 skill for the same total).


I misread the rule, actually. You're right: it wouldn't help. The person with the max of a stat can't use the boost. Which means that an O4 with an O5 set can get a total of 9, while the O5 can only use the default +1, for a total of 6.
This seems weird, but science is MAD here.
 
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trekbook said:
So somebody with Operation 5 can't use the O5 skill they made, but they can use an Operation 4, for a total of 9.
(The O4 person can then use the O5 skill for the same total).


I misread the rule, actually. You're right: it wouldn't help. The person with the max of a stat can't use the boost. Which means that an O4 with an O5 set can get a total of 9, while the O5 can only use the default +1, for a total of 6.
THis seems weird, but science is MAD here.
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No.

Exact quote: However, if an individual has a skill level equal to or greater than that of the bonus, .nsm files don't help.

The +1 files are less than the O5's level of skill, so don't help. And O4 confers a +20 skill bonus, since the formula is 5 * Skill, whereas the .nsm only confers a bonus of the Skill number.
 
trekbook said:
So somebody with Operation 5 can't use the O5 skill they made, but they can use an Operation 4, for a total of 9.
(The O4 person can then use the O5 skill for the same total).


I misread the rule, actually. You're right: it wouldn't help. The person with the max of a stat can't use the boost. Which means that an O4 with an O5 set can get a total of 9, while the O5 can only use the default +1, for a total of 6.
This seems weird, but science is MAD here.
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I read it as meaning the super skill file is not a bonus, but a supplement. It makes your skill equal to the greatest. But re reading it, it does technically say it's a bonus.
EternalStruggle said:
No.

Exact quote: However, if an individual has a skill level equal to or greater than that of the bonus, .nsm files don't help.

The +1 files are less than the O5's level of skill, so don't help. And O4 confers a +20 skill bonus, since the formula is 5 * Skill, whereas the .nsm only confers a bonus of the Skill number.
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What, the bonus isn't applied to the skill itself?
 
Trondason said:
What, the bonus isn't applied to the skill itself?
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Well the original quote was "with a skill bonus of whatever number the player has in a particular skill."

Which I took to mean the bonus is added to the skill check, not to the skill.

Well, even if Genon did mean the skill, that's not going to happen for ideally obvious reasons (it involves putting them in minions and making them superpowered.)
 
Space Jawa said:
I'm willing to trade assist actions; I'll help you with your personal project this turn if you help me with mine.
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Lizard Knight said:
(Could you please help with Fortress? I'll help with yours next turn.)
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I'll help both of you this turn if both of you help me w/ an action (possibly not the Warren; I plan on doing it but I'm also thinking of things like upgrading my dryads to be competitive w/ Navi, making war fox-dog-lions (planned name = Kitsune/Shishi; will have two variants one fox-y w/ mod combat but higher espionage, one lion-y with higher combat, no/low espionage), the Anglefield (it's just too lulzy), or an Unfallen-style alien or something) next turn.


[X] Design a blueprint
-[X] Fortress
-[X] Using the Wunder-brass, Dynacapsule, Marble reactor, Buster cannon, Exotic particle cannon MK.2, Super bombs and feliationizer and revival serum. Aswel as concepts used in the pandora orb MK.3
--[X] This room wil cover the base it is place in with a layer of wunder-brass using the concepts used in the Dynacapsule and pandora orb (using less space then should and integratting something new), it wil also create hidden battery guns that pop up (out of Dynacapsule storage) and can open fire. These turrets are manned by NetNavi's. These turrets are armed with two Exotic particle cannons MK.2 and two Buster cannons each and can fire all at ones. These turrets are powered by a marble reactor. These turrets can switch to a mortar that fire super bombs, in these super bombs are two cannisters filled with airborn revival serum and Feliationizer, turning all in the blast radius into cat zombies. The Fortress room used pandora orb concepts to be able integrate any new defense mechanism at a moments notice.
[X] Upgrade Blueprint
-[X] Upgrade Eggmobile
--[X] Increase general power capabilities by incorporating any and all viable power upgrades that can be made to safely fit for MAXIMUM (non-suicidal) POWER!
--[X] Increase speed and maneuverability by incorporating Hyper-Rotating Plasma Engine.
--[X] Upgrade defenses to make design fully enclosed (while still allowing for full use of a better, safer Ejection system) for better environmental and overall protection; while incorporating use of 'Bubble Shield Belt' for exterior defenses, and a Diamond Silk-Git Gud Cotton Hybrid incorporated into the basic armor plating. And maybe throw some Wunder-brass in there too somehow.
--[X] Upgrade offensive and utility capabilities by incorporating a modular system allowing the new and improved Eggmobile to mount an array of weapons options and/or sidecars, or alternatively, allow the Eggmobile to easily integrate with or escape from a larger, appropriately designed vehicle on the fly.
[X] Install V3 Pandora Orb
-[X] L.E.A.R.N.E.R 1.5.4, Neurocomputer, Primitive Telepathic Circuit, Computerized Reality Model, Angelfield 1.7.2
[X] Accept the Awakened Madness's offer
[jk] Create Blueprint
-[jk] Anglefield 1.7.2 - Projects a series of forcefields around the user which passively sequentially redirect projectiles back at the source or around the user and can be actively shaped so as to direct projectiles (or sound, or light) originating from the user around corners. This effect can also be used to generate lift through a helicopter effect, a halo-esque visual artifact, and "wing"-shaped forcefields capable of slicing through steel embedded with carbon nanofiber.
 
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Yes, base-building avoids the lone-wolf penalty, so long as you provide evidence that more than one player wants those particular rooms built.
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*coughs frantically* WOw gOlly GeE I sure want the mine to have
--[] A few Recyclers, for ore processing
--[] Even mix of Server Rooms (1) and Robot Maintence Hubs (1)
--[] Even more lab (1) and some living quarters (2)
--[] Dig out new rooms as needed
 
Is warrens a good biological living quarter, or do we need to need to design a seperate?
Also @Umi-san are you sarcastic or not, I am not sure. Just asking because I am slightly confussed.
 
Lothyra speaks up.

"Hmm... I've been thinking. With all of this buzz about creating biological minions, early versions of power armor, and our need for combat capabilities, I wonder if we could create our own version of the Space Marines from Warhammer 40K. We could invent special biological implants to augment an existing human, likely a hired grunt, a heavy version of the Orichalcum armor that lacks in-built weapons but greatly makes up for it with defense (I honestly think that we should separate armor and weapons), and some heavy weaponry, such as a particle rifle or heavy laser rifle. It could help us deal with the various supernatural creatures that we've encountered."
 
Just going to put this out there right now: Only hired Minions can benefit from Skillsofts, and they may decide to ply their new prowess with a saner (if somewhat less effective) boss.
 
Lizard Knight said:
Is warrens a good biological living quarter, or do we need to need to design a seperate?
Also @Umi-san are you sarcastic or not, I am not sure. Just asking because I am slightly confussed.
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Warrens are intended to be a good biological living quarter for genetically engineered creatures who are used to sleeping in vats of goo inside a dark cave lit only by the bioluminescence of the bacterial symbiotes of the plant/fungal/animal machinery that creates and heals them.

I'm sincere about thinking more bases are always good. But I'm a tad proprietary about the mines and tbh... like... emotionally I don't want it to be tainted by robots and to just become yet another robot swarm. I bought it for the purpose of opening up space for biological minions. Logically, however, I acknowledge that it doesn't matter. So I just want there to be stuff like more labs and living quarters rather than more robot making machines and more space for the Navi's that we already have a shitton of space for.

gutza1 said:
I wonder if we could create our own version of the Space Marines from Warhammer 40K
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cliched, overdone, boring
move past WH40K
 
Umi-san said:
I'm sincere about thinking more bases are always good. But I'm a tad proprietary about the mines and tbh... like... emotionally I don't want it to be tainted by robots and to just become yet another robot swarm. I bought it for the purpose of opening up space for biological minions. Logically, however, I acknowledge that it doesn't matter. So I just want there to be stuff like more labs and living quarters rather than more robot making machines and more space for the Navi's that we already have a shitton of space for.
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Housing are being made in the bunker by the robots. The Mines, the location known by normies and being made by normies, I'm putting the more "mundane" stuff. Biological minions are more obviously the creation of mad science than server rooms and maintence bays. I arranged the stuff based on secrecy of location.
And we do not have enough room for Navis, we have just enough room for everyone to have exactly one personal Navi. Ideally I want 10 per person, so that everyone can make full use of them on any and all Research Projects.

Also, the Mines will be getting atleast 60 more rooms, and 56 in the bunker. We will have plenty of room for everyone after this turn, robotic or organic. You don't need to worry.
 
Trondason said:
And we do not have enough room for Navis, we have just enough room for everyone to have exactly one personal Navi. Ideally I want 10 per person, so that everyone can make full use of them on any and all Research Projects.
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3 Robot Maintenance Hub - 47 housing left
that's an aggressively high amount.

Trondason said:
Housing are being made in the bunker by the robots. The Mines, the location known by normies and being made by normies, I'm putting the more "mundane" stuff. Biological minions are more obviously the creation of mad science than server rooms and maintence bays. I arranged the stuff based on secrecy of location.
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cool; I'll still be putting my biological minions in the mine, labs, and surrounding forest.
 
Trondason said:
Housing are being made in the bunker by the robots. The Mines, the location known by normies and being made by normies, I'm putting the more "mundane" stuff. Biological minions are more obviously the creation of mad science than server rooms and maintence bays. I arranged the stuff based on secrecy of location.
And we do not have enough room for Navis, we have just enough room for everyone to have exactly one personal Navi. Ideally I want 10 per person, so that everyone can make full use of them on any and all Research Projects.

Also, the Mines will be getting atleast 60 more rooms, and 56 in the bunker. We will have plenty of room for everyone after this turn, robotic or organic. You don't need to worry.
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That makes sense to me, the mines are in the public eye So having abomanations of science around would be odd.

Also I had a weird thought
Dedede in Kirby always gets possesed. What If the corpse of dedede comes back to life or gets possesed by the proto-pillah or something.

Wel that would be the case If Master Viper Jamieson hadn't burned DeDeDe and Waldo in a vikings burial.
 
Umi-san said:
3 Robot Maintenance Hub - 47 housing left
that's an aggressively high amount.


cool; I'll still be putting my biological minions in the mine, labs, and surrounding forest.
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Not really. We are going to have thousands of minions going forward, we have to if we dont want to get crushed in combat.

Guess it will be one of the first casualties of the upcoming war then. Secrecy is our friend.
 
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    • I just write said:
    Notes


    Action 11: Research Time
    Roll 45 + 4 (manpower) + 25 (skill) = 74
    Failure

    The very next morning after the decision was made to continue research into how to make time do things, the participants (DeDeDe and Waldo) were found dead. It was very obviously a deliberate killing, as there are fragments of expanding bullets inside the brains of both participants. Further, whoever did this was extremely thorough, causing sufficient brain damage that the two of them won't be restorable to any state remotely resembling what they were pre-incident without either extensive reconstruction (at which point you're basically just making a wetware AI in their image), or an external backup (which neither of them had).
    Dr. Penguin. Wake up. You are not supposed to fall asleep. Wake. Up. Now. Dr. Penguin. DR. PENGUIN. DR. PENGUIN! DEDEDE WAKE UP! MY FRIENDS ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO DIE ON ME! WAKE! UP!
    YOU TOO WALDO. WAKE UP! BOTH OF YOU. THIS ISN'T FUNNY! WAKEUPWAKEUPWAKEUPWAKEUPWAKEUPDON'TDIEWAKEUPWAKEUPDON'TDIEPLEASENOWAKEUPWAKEUPWAKEUPWAKEUPPLEASEPLEASEDON'TLEAVEMEALONEAGAINWAKEUPWAKEUPWAKEUPWAKEUPWAKEUPNONONONWAKEUPWAKEUPWHYWAKEUPWAKEUPI'LLKILLWHOEVERDIDTHISWAKEUPWAKEUPWAKEUPWAKEUPWHYWHYWHYWAKEUP
    Casualties
    @Lizard Knight (Make a new Character)
    @dunk1010 (Make a new Character)

    Action 12: Design Comprehensive Risk Assessment Model 7 + 4 (manpower) + 40 (skill) = 51
    Failure

    Ironically, the Comprehensive Risk Assessment Model couldn't assess the risk of stripping open walls to insert new - and apparently unprotected wiring -, of CRAMming donuts into the various orifices of the core hardware nor, indeed, of having a litter of kittens in a conveniently sized but noisy cubby. Thankfully for the base, fire alarms and water sprinklers were installed first. Regrettably, this saved neither CRAM nor the cat minion inside it from a painful, fiery death.

    One (1) member of the multitude that is the Unusual Stray Cat Colony fallen. All research progress lost, some hardware progress retained (reduced difficulty for implementation).
    *hissing noises* Sutures no... why......
    @PurposefulZephyr Research 4 (2/11) -> Research 4 (3/11)
    @Bass11 Research 4 (3/11) -> Research 4 (4/11)


    This is the information you have gained from the Illuminati this week.

    -Supernatural Demographics near Buenos Aires
    --Wizards
    ---310 unaffiliated independents Could grab a few.
    ---102 solo operators associated with one group or another
    ---6 unaffiliated groups
    ---2 groups connected to the Arcane Society of Merlin
    ---4 groups connected to the Neo-Aztec Council
    ---3 groups connected to the Atlantean Inheritors
    ---1 group connected to the Pàiduì xiàngdǎo dìngdān, a wizard society connected to the Chinese Communist Party
    --Werewolves
    ---239 unaffiliated specimens Grab some.
    ---22 packs of 4-8 members on average
    --Vampires
    ---16 nests of Vampires, averaging 6-10 members
    ---87 unaffiliated Vampires Grab some.
    --Dream Creatures
    ---The presence of Mad Dreams has been noticed, but the Illuminati really has bigger problems Means we can mess around with them.... without notice.... maybe?
    --Cultists
    ---Over the past year, there have been 107 cults to the Old Powers in the Buenos Aires area. Usual lifespan after discovery is <1 week.
    --Aliens
    ---There are four attempted alien infiltrators in Illuminati custody within the Buenos Aires area Don't want to mess with their prey.... bad manners.
    ---There are 18 suspected aliens currently at large in Greater Buenos Aires These are free game though... ready to be.... stalked... hunted... devoured.
    ---Intelligence indicates that there are two major interstellar powers with interests on Earth, currently at war with each other. Ally with one side?

    Illuminati perspective on Mad Scientists
    -The Illuminati has had several encounters with Mad Science over the past month, but still isn't sure how it works
    --They know of MAD and SASRI's existence, but they have very limited information about both groups.
    --They know MAD has a base in Pilar, but they don't know the exact location
    --They suspect that Fairweather Agricultural has ties to MAD

    Recent happenings
    -An alien infiltrator just got mauled by a werewolf within a quarter mile of your base; you could probably collect the corpse if you hurry. Someone come with me.... rather not fall asleep.
    -The order to perform CONTINGENCY: FALSE UNVEIL has just been issued by the Illuminati High Council Don't like this.... should look into.
    -The Buenos Aires Police Department has recently hired a solitary werewolf with a reputation for not giving a shit about the masquerade Stupid stinky dogs...
    -A Vampire tried to enthrall the President of Argentina, and had to significantly deplete their blood reserves to escape without being gunned down by their security, which happened to include a previously covert unaffiliated Wizard. Interesting.... not relevant though.
    Credit to my co-GMs
    @ConfusedPotato
    @EternalStruggle
    @Umi-san
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    PurposefulZephyr said:
    Dear Felicia,
    First of all, you have my sincere condolences. That was a horrid way to go.
    Secondly, please keep your cats away from my experiments. It's the second time already.
    Sincerely,
    Gary Arneson

    I'll be trying to repeat that, since it's slightly closer than it was previously.
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    Gary will find an meowing box on his desk along with that the note has been returned to him taped back togeather after being shredded. The text isn't as legible as it was due to all the tearstains and snot on it. An new note is pinned to it with an Felinationizer syringe.

    Dear Butterflies,

    Take responsibility. Sutures had an litter.
    The fat orange tabby kitten is Dedede Jr., the tall brown kitten is Waldo Jr., the orange and white tabby is Sutures Jr.
    I will let them know to avoid your experiments in exchange.

    - Felicia Von Clawsenhauser

     
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    • trekbook said:
    According to the Co-GM, it's free.



    So EVERYBODY should make an nsm. ideally, we would have an nsm at the max of each skill. AND 1 below max for each skill as follows.
    R7: @Entropy Engineer or @ConfusedPotato
    R6: @DarkKing98
    O5: @trekbook (or @them8, but I have it covered)
    O4: @Rotekian or @LuciDreamer
    E5: @OneArmedYeti
    E4: @Shadowhope or @Hazard (thanks!)
    C5: @EternalStruggle
    C4: @BBBence1111 or @D.D. Spectator

    EDIT: I misread the rule, so I've crossed out the mistaken bits.
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    Umm the "donate" part of the .name makes it seem like I lose the stats to give to someone else... Don't want to do that...
     
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    Trondason said:
    Not really. We are going to have thousands of minions going forward, we have to if we dont want to get crushed in combat.

    Guess it will be one of the first casualties of the upcoming war then. Secrecy is our friend.
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    I don't agree, it will depend on the targets we encounter and the actions we take. The more of a threat we pose the more forces will be allocated toward us. Also, by now I'm in agreement w/ the guy who forestalled my initial minion rush that minion rushes kind of harm the spirit of the game.

    Unlike with robots, you can't stick biological minions underground and keep them that way if you expect them to be happy and functional. My company is already a bioengineering company and the minions that I, at least, intend to make will be capable of at least some degree of camouflage. Plus, the mining operation is separate and not staffed by normals, or at least won't be after the hired workers expire, to my knowledge.

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    Luckily, the foolish ecology activists were, despite being extremists, actually okay with technology and genetic modification and such, many being huge fans of Fairweather Agricultural, so when the connection is made public they shut their trap immediately...
    It was difficult to hide the robotic workers and the nature of some of the built rooms from the contracted labor, but in the end could be done without less of effectiveness.... of course the sizable caverns of the site make it a large base with minimal effort on the part of MAD. All in all, a smashing success.
    ...Mining is occurring separate from the room structure, bringing in an income of raw materials.

    Robots and server rooms are maybe less obvious in themselves than monstrous creatures - which aren't what I've made thus far - but are no less interesting to people who wonder why a bioengineering company would be making a bunch of robots and need a huge server farm and a giant underground cavern.
     
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    Umi-san said:
    I'll help both of you this turn if both of you help me w/ an action (possibly not the Warren; I plan on doing it but I'm also thinking of things like upgrading my dryads to be competitive w/ Navi, making war fox-dog-lions (planned name = Kitsune/Shishi; will have two variants one fox-y w/ mod combat but higher espionage, one lion-y with higher combat, no/low espionage), the Anglefield (it's just too lulzy), or an Unfallen-style alien or something) next turn.
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    So basically you'll help me with my Eggmobile this turn, and I'll owe you one on a future research action so long as it's not something in the 'suicidal' category (Like, say, 'Time')?

    I can work with that.

    [X] Refuse the Awakened Madness's offer
    -[X] If we known where the Awakened Madness plans to enter our dimension, make a point of being anywhere else but there around the time we expect it to happen.

    [X] Upgrade Blueprint
    -[X] Upgrade Eggmobile
    --[X] Increase general power capabilities by incorporating any and all viable power upgrades that can be made to safely fit for MAXIMUM (non-suicidal) POWER!
    --[X] Increase speed and maneuverability by incorporating Hyper-Rotating Plasma Engine.
    --[X] Upgrade defenses to make design fully enclosed (while still allowing for full use of a better, safer Ejection system) for better environmental and overall protection; while incorporating use of 'Bubble Shield Belt' for exterior defenses, and a Diamond Silk-Git Gud Cotton Hybrid incorporated into the basic armor plating. And maybe throw some Wunder-brass in there too somehow.
    --[X] Upgrade offensive and utility capabilities by incorporating a modular system allowing the new and improved Eggmobile to mount an array of weapons options and/or sidecars, or alternatively, allow the Eggmobile to easily integrate with or escape from a larger, appropriately designed vehicle on the fly.

    [X] Build Counterintelligence Network
    -[X] Random security/brainwashing checks, anti-scrying fields, general paranoia, the works. Basically, do everything we can to keep spies out.

    [X] Forging Furnaces
    -[X] 8 Buzzkill

    [X] Order Minions
    -[X] Send 4 Buzzkill and 20 Motobug to retrieve the Alien Infiltrator corpse that was killed by a werewolf near our base.
    -[X] Order 10 Motobug and 10 Spiderbots to expand the Bunker, with at least 1 Recycler and a bunch of Storerooms for, among other things, Robot Minion storage.
     
    Umi-san said:
    I don't agree, it will depend on the targets we encounter and the actions we take. The more of a threat we pose the more forces will be allocated toward us. Also, by now I'm in agreement w/ the guy who forestalled my initial minion rush that minion rushes kind of harm the spirit of the game.

    Unlike with robots, you can't stick biological minions underground and keep them that way if you expect them to be happy and functional. My company is already a bioengineering company and the minions that I, at least, intend to make will be capable of at least some degree of camouflage. Plus, the mining operation is separate and not staffed by normals, or at least won't be after the hired workers expire, to my knowledge.

    Relevant quotes:
    Luckily, the foolish ecology activists were, despite being extremists, actually okay with technology and genetic modification and such, many being huge fans of Fairweather Agricultural, so when the connection is made public they shut their trap immediately...
    It was difficult to hide the robotic workers and the nature of some of the built rooms from the contracted labor, but in the end could be done without less of effectiveness.... of course the sizable caverns of the site make it a large base with minimal effort on the part of MAD. All in all, a smashing success.
    ...Mining is occurring separate from the room structure, bringing in an income of raw materials.

    Robots and server rooms are maybe less obvious in themselves than monstrous creatures - which aren't what I've made thus far - but are no less interesting to people who wonder why a bioengineering company would be making a bunch of robots and need a huge server farm and a giant underground cavern.
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    Some WOG
    "I can confirm that the average low-level combat DC is somewhere around a thousand"
    The strongest fighting unit we have is the Buzzkill, +41 each. 1000/41=24. For a low-level combat DC. So you might have a point where we won't need thousands if we never go after anything bigger than small game. But Ih oneslty don't see that happening. I'm almost certain that at some point we will have to fight a high level fight that "can very easily breach six digits", 100000/41=2400
    And I disagree, minion rush is built into the mechanics, and there are very few Mad Scientists without a legion of mooks serving them.

    Biological creations can stay underground if you make them happy with staying underground. You are literally designing them, and there are plenty of living things that never see the light of day so it's not like being alive is antithetical to living underground.

    "Some degree of camouflage" is not nearly as good as not being in sight at all. Hence, that place will probably be among the first casulties, having been found out first by some "lucky" joe.

    All big corporations of any respectable size have server rooms. Fairweather Agricultural is no different. As for the robots, they won't be seeing any of the robotic minions, they are all busy working on the bunker, all the workers will be seeing is the maintence bays, which honestly could be used for any machine theoretically. Perhaps we are planning on making some better farming equipment, that falls well within what Fairweather Agricultural does.

    Now compare those with building of hundreds of bedrooms (the least suspicious of possible biological housings). Why are we going to be having so many people living here underground, behind super tight security? Thats going to raise way more eyebrows than normal buisness stuff that are server rooms and robot maintence bays.
     
    [X] Accept the Awakened Madness's offer
    [X] Manufacture Equipment
    -[X] Scranton Reality Anchor

    [X] Design a blueprint
    -[x] Make a robot version of the Orichalcum V1 power armour.
    --[X] Swap Buster Pistol on the hand with Exotic Particle Rifle Instead.
    --[X] Upgrade overall performance now that It don't have to protect squishy flesh inside.

    While we are getting information from the illuminati we might as well get what they have on the other factions.
    It would serve as a good starting point on our own research and approprite counter measures.
     
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    I think that for the high-level fights we may have to start investing into combat vehicles...
     
    If we do want to go into space, I think we should first create a way to mass-produce magnetic monopoles, because I think that could allow us to recreate the absorbic devices from The Killing Star, which convert thermal energy into matter, and it would let us deal with our waste heat issues without having to build bulky heat radiators on our craft.
     
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