The Second Reconstruction-A Post-Civil War Kaiserreich USA Quest

I thought you had to check off all three in Rank Choice?

Will say, I don't get why Germany has intervened so forcefully on the side of Long. There's nothing that particularly lines up idealogically, if anything mild distaste on the part of Berlin for a Populist rabble rouser. Were they promised a completely free hand in South America? That make some sense, I suppose. Also "The Feds have lost already, better to get someone forceful against the Reds?"

Approval voting isn't ranked choice. It means that you can select more than one option, but your votes are equally weighed. By voting for both #2 and #3, I am signaling that I find both equally acceptable.

I would appreciate it if the QM could resolve any questions of vote mechanics before the vote closes, and if necessary give us an extension. I don't want this to be decided by procedural errors.

I thought you had to check off all three in Rank Choice?

Will say, I don't get why Germany has intervened so forcefully on the side of Long. There's nothing that particularly lines up idealogically, if anything mild distaste on the part of Berlin for a Populist rabble rouser. Were they promised a completely free hand in South America? That make some sense, I suppose. Also "The Feds have lost already, better to get someone forceful against the Reds?"

I don't think this is a logical decision. They're a big empire, and they want to expand their sphere of influence. It's quite easy to convince yourself that you can intervene, win decisively, and secure a good, obedient puppet government, even if that isn't necessarily true.

If they were being logical, though, there's a decent argument for making the civil war uglier. Wreck America as badly as possible, and even if your faction doesn't win it will take decades to rebuild.

Honestly, their best option was to stay out of this, or perhaps to offer moral support for the federal government. The Internationale hates them, and a Southern victory would leave America in ruins. There's no real cost to providing a little bit of humanitarian aid to make Germany look good.

Unfortunately, Germany is under the control of people who love the sword and hate soft power. And when you have a hammer...
 
1. [X] The US would not allow its sovereignty to be trampled on nor be a beggar power, it would win the war and defend its overseas territories on its own.
2. [X] Recognizing that the Federals needed serious assistance, the Cabinet had accepted the offer and the agreement would be signed by Olson and Hull.


[X] The US would not allow its sovereignty to be trampled on nor be a beggar power, it would win the war and defend its overseas territories on its own.
 
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I don't think that's how you approval vote?

You have to check the options you want; choosing all three is the same as not voting at all.



The Germans and the Internationale are already intervening in the civil war. They wanted us to lose before we accepted any foreign help.

We may get the Condor Legions or International Brigades anyway, as the Germans and the International escalate in response to each other. Our best option is to call the Canadians in, use their full strength to tie down the CSA, and free up our own troops. Either to crush the CSA in a decisive offensive that closes one front, or to divert our attention to the South. I'm not sure which option would be best.

Germany's current support for Long is a whim of the Kaiser, and while Germany is hardly a model democracy, the Reichstag is not a powerless body and can certainly offer meaningful restraining force on an expensive foreign venture while the country suffers the effects of Black Monday. The Internationale's ability to intervene is their ability to reach the CSA by sea, and when Norfolk can be resupplied with oil, that becomes their willingness to fight the USN in our home waters far from Britain or France, while the German High Seas Fleet lurks in Europe. This calculation changes completely if Canada outright intervenes in the war for us, the uncertain worth of facing off against the USN in the face of threats closer to home vanish if we throw in with Canada now and broadcast an intention to unambiguously destroy the Internationale, which in turn draws Germany further into the war. If Canada is kept at arms length, then the Kaiser's attention will turn elsewhere as more crucial interests are threatened close to home, and we can conceivably stare down the Internationale on the seas. This all vanishes if Canada commits, and Canada's only current land border with the CSA is the urban Detroit-Windsor area which is also a river crossing.
 
Germany's current support for Long is a whim of the Kaiser, and while Germany is hardly a model democracy, the Reichstag is not a powerless body and can certainly offer meaningful restraining force on an expensive foreign venture while the country suffers the effects of Black Monday. The Internationale's ability to intervene is their ability to reach the CSA by sea, and when Norfolk can be resupplied with oil, that becomes their willingness to fight the USN in our home waters far from Britain or France, while the German High Seas Fleet lurks in Europe. This calculation changes completely if Canada outright intervenes in the war for us, the uncertain worth of facing off against the USN in the face of threats closer to home vanish if we throw in with Canada now and broadcast an intention to unambiguously destroy the Internationale, which in turn draws Germany further into the war. If Canada is kept at arms length, then the Kaiser's attention will turn elsewhere as more crucial interests are threatened close to home, and we can conceivably stare down the Internationale on the seas. This all vanishes if Canada commits, and Canada's only current land border with the CSA is the urban Detroit-Windsor area which is also a river crossing.

This is a sound argument.

Like my own position, it depends on a number of variables which are difficult to pin down. We're trying to predict the decisions of foreign leaders who are not perfectly rational actors.

My support for Option #3 is simple. Canada has considerable industrial and military strength. They can threaten the CSA in New England and Detroit. Even if they can't simply go on the offensive, this will tie down considerable numbers of CSA soldiers who will need to reposition to deal with this threat. Just as the Germans had to leave soldiers in France before D-Day, the CSA will be forced to weaken or even cancel offensives to make sure that they don't lose a major industrial center.

If we make our enemies fight on multiple fronts, our job becomes vastly easier. Canada is right next door, and they can provide us with support quickly and easily. Our European enemies are across the Atlantic ocean, so any support they provide will be delayed. The military advantages of an alliance with the Entente are clear, and I prefer Option #3 because it creates an enormous threat that the CSA must respect.
 
This is a sound argument.

Like my own position, it depends on a number of variables which are difficult to pin down. We're trying to predict the decisions of foreign leaders who are not perfectly rational actors.

My support for Option #3 is simple. Canada has considerable industrial and military strength. They can threaten the CSA in New England and Detroit. Even if they can't simply go on the offensive, this will tie down considerable numbers of CSA soldiers who will need to reposition to deal with this threat. Just as the Germans had to leave soldiers in France before D-Day, the CSA will be forced to weaken or even cancel offensives to make sure that they don't lose a major industrial center.

If we make our enemies fight on multiple fronts, our job becomes vastly easier. Canada is right next door, and they can provide us with support quickly and easily. Our European enemies are across the Atlantic ocean, so any support they provide will be delayed. The military advantages of an alliance with the Entente are clear, and I prefer Option #3 because it creates an enormous threat that the CSA must respect.

The same way France had to leave multiple Corps on the Italian border in the first year of WW2 despite not being at war with Italy until the very end of the Battle of France, I am under the impression that the CSA must do that with Canada regardless of whether or not they are actually at war, such that Canada actually intervening would not materially change the situation immediately, the same essential principle as a fleet in being. There would only be a very short window during which Canada has mobilized and can commit forces before additional German or Internationale forces arrive as well which would entirely obviate any advantages and be more painful in the long term. The CSA must still respect the Canadian forces under Option #2 the same way France still had to guard the Italian border or how Japan still had hundreds of thousands of soldiers along the Soviet Border the whole of WW2.
 
The same way France had to leave multiple Corps on the Italian border in the first year of WW2 despite not being at war with Italy until the very end of the Battle of France, I am under the impression that the CSA must do that with Canada regardless of whether or not they are actually at war, such that Canada actually intervening would not materially change the situation immediately, the same essential principle as a fleet in being. There would only be a very short window during which Canada has mobilized and can commit forces before additional German or Internationale forces arrive as well which would entirely obviate any advantages and be more painful in the long term. The CSA must still respect the Canadian forces under Option #2 the same way France still had to guard the Italian border or how Japan still had hundreds of thousands of soldiers along the Soviet Border the whole of WW2.
The Commies are not going to send actual troops to the United States, "volunteers" yes but not actual troops.
 
[X] The Cabinet had a counter offer, formally asking that Canada join the Civil War on their side, launching military operations against the CSA, and in return when the time came to retake the Isles, the US would play an active role, essentially joining the Entente.
 
I don't particularly care to distinguish between them if the end result is still an escalatory spiral of trained hostile troops arriving in the United States.

We could have that anyway, though.

If Guderian's people are too successful, then the Internationale could send more of their own "volunteers". If the Internationale's troops win victories, a few squadrons of German pilots could spontaneously decide to go to New Orleans on leave. With their planes. One of the great errors of diplomacy is imagining that you can avoid escalation by denying a "legitimate" reason for action. The Germans and the Internationale don't need reasons; they want to install a friendly government in America, and so they're sending soldiers.

It's possible that siding with the Entente could lead to a much more rapid and powerful intervention by the Germans. That's a real risk! But their decision-making process is opaque to us, and the advantages of an alliance with Canada are very clear.

Even if they don't send a single soldier over the border this year, they could provide us rifles and artillery pieces. Shells to feed the endless hunger of the guns. Oil and warships to blockade enemy ports. There are clear material advantages to a bargain with Canada, and while the risk is real I think it's worth taking.
 
Guderian already is leading a "not army" of German troops for the south and most of the international volunteers are probably outright British or French soldiers.
 
1. [X] The US would not allow its sovereignty to be trampled on nor be a beggar power, it would win the war and defend its overseas territories on its own.

2. [X] Recognizing that the Federals needed serious assistance, the Cabinet had accepted the offer and the agreement would be signed by Olson and Hull.
 
proval voting isn't ranked choice. It means that you can select more than one option, but your votes are equally weighed. By voting for both #2 and #3, I am signaling that I find both equally acceptable.

I would appreciate it if the QM could resolve any questions of vote mechanics before the vote closes, and if necessary give us an extension. I don't want this to be decided by procedural errors.
Gotcha, and yeah probably best to wait for Jee.


I don't think this is a logical decision. They're a big empire, and they want to expand their sphere of influence. It's quite easy to convince yourself that you can intervene, win decisively, and secure a good, obedient puppet government, even if that isn't necessarily true.

If they were being logical, though, there's a decent argument for making the civil war uglier. Wreck America as badly as possible, and even if your faction doesn't win it will take decades to rebuild.

Honestly, their best option was to stay out of this, or perhaps to offer moral support for the federal government. The Internationale hates them, and a Southern victory would leave America in ruins. There's no real cost to providing a little bit of humanitarian aid to make Germany look good.

Unfortunately, Germany is under the control of people who love the sword and hate soft power. And when you have a hammer...
Yeah, plus they always have been out of whack when taking America into their Calculations, trying to get the Mexicans to invade is all you need to know there. A ruined/tame America would be in their best interests for South American escapades, plus as Sturmi said we're dealing with Kaiser Wilhelm the Second. Perhaps Huey just wrote a letter and the man really liked the flattery.

If I were the Germans, I'd take a more proactive role of unilaterally imposing a blockade on weapons and volunteers with my navy. Assert myself as Global Hegemon, help the Feds and make life more difficult for the Internationale. If they were neutral, I'd actually try and woo them into doing this, with promises of a free hand in Argentina and Chile. But things are as they are alas.

The same way France had to leave multiple Corps on the Italian border in the first year of WW2 despite not being at war with Italy until the very end of the Battle of France, I am under the impression that the CSA must do that with Canada regardless of whether or not they are actually at war, such that Canada actually intervening would not materially change the situation immediately, the same essential principle as a fleet in being. There would only be a very short window during which Canada has mobilized and can commit forces before additional German or Internationale forces arrive as well which would entirely obviate any advantages and be more painful in the long term. The CSA must still respect the Canadian forces under Option #2 the same way France still had to guard the Italian border or how Japan still had hundreds of thousands of soldiers along the Soviet Border the whole of WW2.

But active fighting would be better for 1. Keeping New England and her industrial capabilities away from Red Thievery. 2. Forcing them to actually fight a professional army who has spent the last decade or so preparing for an ultra hard war with officers who actually did fight in one of the biggest in human history. 3. Launching air raids on the Steel Belt immediately. These are all hard military objectives which we can immediately acheive in case of intervention. Yes, Paris and London may decide this means war, but i honestly don't think Berlin will. The Ententes goals of restoring their nations are not as of yet incompatible with Berlins. If things go south, they'll withdraw. That just leaves us facing the Internationale, and at the end of the day, they're across the ocean, and we're right here.
 
We could have that anyway, though.

If Guderian's people are too successful, then the Internationale could send more of their own "volunteers". If the Internationale's troops win victories, a few squadrons of German pilots could spontaneously decide to go to New Orleans on leave. With their planes. One of the great errors of diplomacy is imagining that you can avoid escalation by denying a "legitimate" reason for action. The Germans and the Internationale don't need reasons; they want to install a friendly government in America, and so they're sending soldiers.

It's possible that siding with the Entente could lead to a much more rapid and powerful intervention by the Germans. That's a real risk! But their decision-making process is opaque to us, and the advantages of an alliance with Canada are very clear.

Even if they don't send a single soldier over the border this year, they could provide us rifles and artillery pieces. Shells to feed the endless hunger of the guns. Oil and warships to blockade enemy ports. There are clear material advantages to a bargain with Canada, and while the risk is real I think it's worth taking.

We could also have rifles and artillery from New England under Option #2 while those are protected by the Canada and oil is hardly in short supply in the US, if the CSA decides they want to have a go at it then splendid, Canada is dragged into the war without us needing to write that diplomatic check. I do not doubt that escalation may occur but I view it as the difference between actively inviting it and slowing it down.

Gotcha, and yeah probably best to wait for Jee.



Yeah, plus they always have been out of whack when taking America into their Calculations, trying to get the Mexicans to invade is all you need to know there. A ruined/tame America would be in their best interests for South American escapades, plus as Sturmi said we're dealing with Kaiser Wilhelm the Second. Perhaps Huey just wrote a letter and the man really liked the flattery.

If I were the Germans, I'd take a more proactive role of unilaterally imposing a blockade on weapons and volunteers with my navy. Assert myself as Global Hegemon, help the Feds and make life more difficult for the Internationale. If they were neutral, I'd actually try and woo them into doing this, with promises of a free hand in Argentina and Chile. But things are as they are alas.



But active fighting would be better for 1. Keeping New England and her industrial capabilities away from Red Thievery. 2. Forcing them to actually fight a professional army who has spent the last decade or so preparing for an ultra hard war with officers who actually did fight in one of the biggest in human history. 3. Launching air raids on the Steel Belt immediately. These are all hard military objectives which we can immediately acheive in case of intervention. Yes, Paris and London may decide this means war, but i honestly don't think Berlin will. The Ententes goals of restoring their nations are not as of yet incompatible with Berlins. If things go south, they'll withdraw. That just leaves us facing the Internationale, and at the end of the day, they're across the ocean, and we're right here.

Under Option #2, New England will have a tripline of Canadian forces that will either keep the Reds away entirely, or leading to Canada being dragged into the war without us having to write that diplomatic check. In World War 2, Canada was only able to sustain a single army on the field after thorough mobilization, no matter how well trained it simply isn't practical to for those forces to spell a quick end to the northern front, and I believe it would be rapidly outweighed by a massive increase in foreign volunteers. In terms of airpower, Canada's airforce is simply not capable of waging a meaningful strategic campaign against CSA targets, the Royal Air Force couldn't even really do it until 1942 at the earliest. Airpower as it stands at this juncture is predominantly psychological which can just as easily backfire, or tactical in its considerations. With Option #2 we could have the practical elements of still forcing the CSA to be wary of their northern border and the industrial advantages of New England, without having to dive headfirst into the escalatory spiral when we could just as easily make those commitments after the Civil War is complete.
 
If I were the Germans, I'd take a more proactive role of unilaterally imposing a blockade on weapons and volunteers with my navy. Assert myself as Global Hegemon, help the Feds and make life more difficult for the Internationale. If they were neutral, I'd actually try and woo them into doing this, with promises of a free hand in Argentina and Chile. But things are as they are alas.

But active fighting would be better for 1. Keeping New England and her industrial capabilities away from Red Thievery. 2. Forcing them to actually fight a professional army who has spent the last decade or so preparing for an ultra hard war with officers who actually did fight in one of the biggest in human history. 3. Launching air raids on the Steel Belt immediately. These are all hard military objectives which we can immediately acheive in case of intervention. Yes, Paris and London may decide this means war, but i honestly don't think Berlin will. The Ententes goals of restoring their nations are not as of yet incompatible with Berlins. If things go south, they'll withdraw. That just leaves us facing the Internationale, and at the end of the day, they're across the ocean, and we're right here.

The sword suspended is often more useful than the actual execution.

If the Germans weren't sending soldiers to help Long, then they could drop by and casually mention that they're a neutral power, leaning Federal, and they would really appreciate it if we didn't do anything to change that. Under those circumstances, I would not be in favor of Option #3.

Since they're already showing their desire to cripple and vassalize America, we have little reason to say No to the Entente's offer.

Canada can help us in New England. They can send warships to begin blockading enemy ports immediately, with zero delay. They can help us with oil and shells and all the material of war, and they can do this before a single Canadian soldier enters battle.

Given their fear of the Internationale, I would be surprised if they don't have some soldiers and artillery in position near Detroit already. Even if they limit their attacks to artillery bombardments and coastal raids, the impact of an active second front will be significant. Yes, the CSA would need to have troops there anyway, but now they'll be taking casualties and fighting on multiple fronts. We can expect significant damage to morale, as the looming threat on the northern border shows that any CSA triumphs in the east are built upon sand.

We could also have rifles and artillery from New England under Option #2 while those are protected by the Canada and oil is hardly in short supply in the US, if the CSA decides they want to have a go at it then splendid, Canada is dragged into the war without us needing to write that diplomatic check. I do not doubt that escalation may occur but I view it as the difference between actively inviting it and slowing it down.

Under Option #2, New England will have a tripline of Canadian forces that will either keep the Reds away entirely, or leading to Canada being dragged into the war without us having to write that diplomatic check. In World War 2, Canada was only able to sustain a single army on the field after thorough mobilization, no matter how well trained it simply isn't practical to for those forces to spell a quick end to the northern front, and I believe it would be rapidly outweighed by a massive increase in foreign volunteers. In terms of airpower, Canada's airforce is simply not capable of waging a meaningful strategic campaign against CSA targets, the Royal Air Force couldn't even really do it until 1942 at the earliest. Airpower as it stands at this juncture is predominantly psychological which can just as easily backfire, or tactical in its considerations. With Option #2 we could have the practical elements of still forcing the CSA to be wary of their northern border and the industrial advantages of New England, without having to dive headfirst into the escalatory spiral when we could just as easily make those commitments after the Civil War is complete.

I agree with most of this, which I why I approval voted for Option #2 as well as Option #3.

I think that neither the Internationale nor the Germans will rapidly mobilize a substantial number of soldiers in response to America siding with the Entente. But I could be wrong! I'm gambling about the actions of foreign powers. The Internationale's choices are shaped by ideology and wishful thinking, while the Germans are militarists with a dubious understanding of the Western Hemisphere, and they're led by a ruler who is notoriously fond of poor life choices. Option #2 is in many ways the safe option.

I don't imagine that Canada is a great military power. However, at the present time all of the factions are working with limited resources and a serious shortage of trained soldiers. None of us have full access to the industrial and military might of America, because we're in a civil war. Under these particular circumstances, Canada can punch well above their weight.

While I agree with your dismissal of the Canadian Air Force as a significant force, what about the Navy? Canada doesn't have our problems, and our enemies don't have much of a navy, so it seems that they could contribute a great deal by blockading Southern ports along the east coast.
 
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I think that neither the Internationale nor the Germans will rapidly mobilize a substantial number of soldiers in response to America siding with the Entente. But I could be wrong! I'm gambling about the actions of foreign powers. The Internationale's choices are shaped by ideology and wishful thinking, while the Germans are militarists with a dubious understanding of the Western Hemisphere, and they're led by a ruler who is notoriously fond of poor life choices. Option #2 is in many ways the safe option.
Well look at it this way, if our war really does set off an escalatory spiral, the end of said spiral is the European fuse being lit early. Once that's done well, I don't think Paris will have time to send their boys to New York.

Edit: Also removed the All Alone option from my votes.
 
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The sword suspended is often more useful than the actual execution.

If the Germans weren't sending soldiers to help Long, then they could drop by and casually mention that they're a neutral power, leaning Federal, and they would really appreciate it if we didn't do anything to change that. Under those circumstances, I would not be in favor of Option #3.

Since they're already showing their desire to cripple and vassalize America, we have little reason to say No to the Entente's offer.

Canada can help us in New England. They can send warships to begin blockading enemy ports immediately, with zero delay. They can help us with oil and shells and all the material of war, and they can do this before a single Canadian soldier enters battle.

Given their fear of the Internationale, I would be surprised if they don't have some soldiers and artillery in position near Detroit already. Even if they limit their attacks to artillery bombardments and coastal raids, the impact of an active second front will be significant. Yes, the CSA would need to have troops there anyway, but now they'll be taking casualties and fighting on multiple fronts. We can expect significant damage to morale, as the looming threat on the northern border shows that any CSA triumphs in the east are built upon sand.



I agree with most of this, which I why I approval voted for Option #2 as well as Option #3.

I think that neither the Internationale nor the Germans will rapidly mobilize a substantial number of soldiers in response to America siding with the Entente. But I could be wrong! I'm gambling about the actions of foreign powers. The Internationale's choices are shaped by ideology and wishful thinking, while the Germans are militarists with a dubious understanding of the Western Hemisphere, and they're led by a ruler who is notoriously fond of poor life choices. Option #2 is in many ways the safe option.

I don't imagine that Canada is a great military power. However, at the present time all of the factions are working with limited resources and a serious shortage of trained soldiers. None of us have full access to the industrial and military might of America, because we're in a civil war. Under these particular circumstances, Canada can punch well above their weight.

While I agree with your dismissal of the Canadian Air Force as a significant force, what about the Navy? Canada doesn't have our problems, and our enemies don't have much of a navy, so it seems that they could contribute a great deal by blockading Southern ports along the east coast.

The Canadian Navy is predominantly elements of the old RN, and it's difficult to imagine they have been well maintained on Canada's GDP for the past decade, meaning no designs past 1925. These aren't obsolete per se, but to me they feel like a wash in comparison to redoubling the Internationale's willingness to commit their own Navies against us much more heavily if we throw in fully with the Entente now as opposed to the reluctance they would feel if we kept Canada at arms length combined with domestic worries about the German High Seas Fleet. The Union of Britain has maintained a very extensive naval building program but the balance between it and the HSF is fragile.
 
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The Canadian Navy is predominantly elements of the old RN, and it's difficult to imagine they have been well maintained on Canada's GDP for the past decade, meaning no designs past 1925. These aren't obsolete per se, but to me they feel like a wash in comparison to redoubling the Internationale's willingness to commit their own Navies against us much more heavily if we throw in fully with the Entente now as opposed to the reluctance they would feel if we kept Canada at arms length combined with domestic worries about the German High Seas Fleet. The Union of Britain has maintained a very extensive naval building program but the balance between it and the HSF is fragile.

Hmm.

My base assumption is that the Internationale isn't willing to engage in open war. They'll send "volunteers" and supplies, but not battleships. If this is wrong, then things will get interesting.

However, if my assumption is correct, then an aging WWI cruiser can manage a blockade just fine. It's not like the South or the Syndicalists have anything larger than a destroyer.

I feel that we're operating from very different first premises. You appear to believe that the Internationale and/or the Germans could decide to make a major effort on this continent, while I believe that they won't go far beyond Spanish Civil War levels of support. "Volunteers" and equipment, yes, but not warships or armies. I think that they will keep most of their forces at home, watching the neighbors.

I don't want to deny it; Option #3 is a gamble. Option #2 offers many of the benefits of Option #3, and if the Syndicalists are kind enough to attack the Canadians in New England then we could get most of the benefits without the price. However, if they don't mess up, then we can't count on the same level of Canadian support. Which is only reasonable; you get out what you put in, and we aren't doing much for Canada if we pick Option #2.
 
Ok because I'm not entirely sure how instant runoff works, I switched back to simple majority and I'll go through and count the second preference votes by hand if I have to.

That said, if you do two votes in the same post, it will count it being a de facto runoff.
 
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3. No, if it was up to Eddy, he would not of selected Mackenzie King, a populist who has doubts on the "Reclaim the Birthright" stuff as a practical piece of the agenda. He was democratically elected, in an election where millions of Canadians voted, competively, against a man who was in fact, more receptive to Eddys demands.
Yeah would have really leaned towards option 1 if R.B. Bennett was in charge. King in charge means that Edward VIII still respects Canadian democracy and the exiles haven't fully committed Canada to a full on invasion of the UOB, damning any other foreign policy concerns. King has a vested interest in seeing the CSA be brought to ruin. A syndicalist state right on the border with Canada is not an outcome the Canadian government can allow.

Well look at it this way, if our war really does set off an escalatory spiral, the end of said spiral is the European fuse being lit early. Once that's done well, I don't think Paris will have time to send their boys to New York.
We can't really know for sure. In a normal Kaiserreich game, the 2ACW doesn't signal the start of the 2WK, not even with a Canadian intervention. That's usually started when the Commune of France tries to invade Alsace-Lorraine in 39 and there is a small chance for it to start earlier over Switzerland. This is a quest though so who knows what could happen.

Right now Germany should still be dealing with Black Monday, the Internationale are busy building up their industry and reforming their armed forces. They both have a vested interest in seeing their candidate win the 2ACW but the collapse of Mitteleuropa's economy and the Internationale's timetable for a final showdown with Germany are going to keep them busy in my opinion. They're simply both not yet ready for a global conflict to ensue, and Japan is off playing singleplayer trying to expand it's Co-Prosperity Sphere. An over commitment of forces to other theaters by the International or Mitteleuropa will be seen as a weakness by either one.

It's important to note as well that the world isn't static and the 2ACW isn't the only conflict happening or about to happen. Spain should also be in it's own civil war. Mittelafrika might have collapsed. The German East Indies are most likely still fighting the Indochinese Union. Russia might have it's own civil war or be stable. Italy is split and will have it's 2nd Risorgimento to unify the boot. China is just a right mess right now. There are a lot of fires that need to be put out before the world explodes into the 2nd Weltkrieg. We might not know which fires are burning right now and I definitely missed mentioning some but we know that they're there. I doubt a Canadian intervention because of the threat posed by the CSA will likely cause the 2WK. The 2ACW might be the most significant conflict in Kaiserreich pre-Weltkrieg but it's not the only one.
 
[X] The Cabinet had a counter offer, formally asking that Canada join the Civil War on their side, launching military operations against the CSA, and in return when the time came to retake the Isles, the US would play an active role, essentially joining the Entente.

Fuck American pride. We have a war to win, and Germans, syndicalists and Japanese to crush.
 
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[X] The Cabinet had a counter offer, formally asking that Canada join the Civil War on their side, launching military operations against the CSA, and in return when the time came to retake the Isles, the US would play an active role, essentially joining the Entente.
 
First Choice:
[X] The US would not allow its sovereignty to be trampled on nor be a beggar power, it would win the war and defend its overseas territories on its own.

Second, very reluctant choice:
[X] Recognizing that the Federals needed serious assistance, the Cabinet had accepted the offer and the agreement would be signed by Olson and Hull.
 
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Also a point on the RN: We shouldn't just assume it's the Reds who've been building ships. Sure, Canada on their own can't make a huge amount of vessels, but she does have her colonial empire to draw upon. South Africa, Australia, Parts of India could all provide the nessicarry material, at a price sure but one Canada would be willing to pay. Even if their not going to reclaim their homeland anytime soon, it would be imperative to have a military force ready to deter the Syndies from attacking them.
 
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