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Attempting to Subvert the Plan: Dominion Edition

Retcon: Should General Horner (the MC) have been The Magistrate (Starcraft 1 PC)?

  • Yes

    Votes: 35 43.8%

  • No

    Votes: 29 36.3%

  • This does not matter to me

    Votes: 16 20.0%
  • Total voters
    80
  • Poll closed .
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Plus undergoing any kind of state run mass cloning and indoctrination program when that state is run by Mensk is incredibly unwise. More than running out millions of clone children we need to build up the fleet and orbital defenses. The more Zerg that are stopped in space the less that can land and begin the ground fight where they have all their advantages.
 
Cloning, much less mass human cloning, is not a developed scientific technique in the Koprulu Sector. The only time it was ever referenced was apparently some SC2 dev Q&A that's no longer online, so that isn't canon. People reproduce the old-fashioned way (albeit at a surprisingly high rate).
 
Alright, I've distilled the numbers in a way that makes sense.

50% without Space Defenders is enough to pay for basically everything we want to do, including increasing Funding, with -10 Paranoia out of it.

45% with Space Defenders does more or less the same thing, but requires us to put at least 6 dice into space projects per turn (or 24 in a year) to not be a resource loss compared to 50%. However, if we put more than 6 dice into space per turn it actually starts being a net resource increase.

So basically, do 50% plain for a flexible year or 45% with Space Defenders for a space heavy year.
 
I think I'd be fine with either of those, as long as we did SCV Factories and Tool & Die. We're gonna have space-heavy commitments anyways.
 
I'm stupid and for some reason thought the difference between 45% and 50% was 60 R. It is not. It is 40 R.

The breakeven point is 4 per turn/16 in a year.
 
I gotta be honest and say I'm still leaning towards 45%, all leverage actions, saying yes, and percentage. I think this maximizes benefits and disadvantages.
 
I think I'm going to go with this option.

[X] Plan: 45% budget but all others
-[X] 45% of the Dominion Budget - no change
-[X] An Actual Goddamn Fleet - +2 Leverage
-[X] The Sludge Must Flow - +1 Leverage
-[X] A Nice Chat Over Lunch - +1 Leverage
-[X] Military Surplus Redux - -1 Leverage
-[X] Space Defenders - -2 Leverage
-[X] Running Interference - -1 Leverage
-[X] Accept the deal - no change
-[X] Make it percentage-based - +5 Suspicion

[X] Plan: Everybody's Best Friend
[X] Plan: All In

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So the calculation for Plan 45% budget but all others is as follows.

Leverage: 1 + 2 + 1 + 1 - 1 - 2 - 1 = 1, -10 Paranoia

Starting Paranoia - 15 (25-10)
Base Paranoia - 10

(Also I'm pretty sure this is how plan format works. If there is any issues or questions do not hesitate to comment, I don't want there to be problems.)

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Like I'm not against the 50% but I'd rather go to 15 Paranoia then 35.
 
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[X] Plan: Leveraging Our Assets
-[X] 50% of the Dominion Budget -2 Leverage
-[X] An Actual Goddamn Fleet +2 Leverage
-[X] The Sludge Must Flow +1 Leverage
-[X] A Nice Chat Over Lunch +1 Leverage
-[X] Military Surplus Redux -1 Leverage
-[X] Running Interference -1 Leverage
-[X] Accept the deal
-[X] Make it percentage-based

This gives us most of the advantages without increasing Paranoia. That net -10 Paranoia will pay for having a higher percentage with the Paranoia-gain that will come with it.

The 50% lets us more than easily pay for what we need to pay for, without needing Space Defenders, and without giving ground to our rivals/opponents... who should be happy because we're giving them what they want anyways.
 
[X] Plan: 45% budget but all others
[X] Plan: Leveraging Our Assets
[X] Plan: Everybody's Best Friend

Will back-edit in approval votes later.
 
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[X] Plan: Everybody's Best Friend
-[X] 45% of the Dominion Budget - +0 Leverage
-[X] An Actual Goddamn Fleet - +2 Leverage
-[X] The Sludge Must Flow - +1 Leverage
-[X] A Nice Chat Over Lunch - +1 Leverage
-[X] Military Surplus Redux - -1 Leverage
-[X] Space Defenders - -2 Leverage
-[X] Running Interference - -1 Leverage
-[X] Accept the deal - no change
-[X] Keep it as a fixed amount - no change

[X] Plan: 45% budget but all others
 
Basically, my perspective is that if you pick 45% you need to commit to not completing SALOME this year or it's an objectively bad plan, and I don't think many people are actually, like, thinking that through?

What it means not to increase our dice total because we can't really afford to in terms of what we can do?
 
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The Laurent said:
Basically, my perspective is that if you pick 45% you need to commit to not completing SALOME this year or it's an objectively bad plan, and I don't think many people are actually, like, thinking that through?

What it means not to increase our dice total because we can't really afford to in terms of what we can do?
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Its 40 resources per turn. I'm not really seeing how that is enough to close out an option entirely. Maybe we have to wait or something but I don't really think that this is that bad.

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Honestly, the real thing for me is that I want all six options. So plans that provide all six options might get an approval vote later on, though I'm going to wait and see. I like 45% but 50% with +10 Paranoia (so 35) is also not the end of the world for me.
 
[X] Plan: 45% budget but all others

[X] Plan: All In
-[X] 50% of the Dominion Budget - -2 Leverage
-[X] An Actual Goddamn Fleet - +2 Leverage
-[X] The Sludge Must Flow - +1 Leverage
-[X] A Nice Chat Over Lunch - +1 Leverage
-[X] Military Surplus Redux - -1 Leverage
-[X] Space Defenders - -2 Leverage
-[X] Running Interference - -1 Leverage
-[X] Accept the deal - no change
-[X] Make it percentage-based - +5 Suspicion
 
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Its 40 resources per turn. I'm not really seeing how that is enough to close out an option entirely. Maybe we have to wait or something but I don't really think that this is that bad.

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Honestly, the real thing for me is that I want all six options. So plans that provide all six options might get an approval vote later on, though I'm going to wait and see. I like 45% but 50% with +10 Paranoia (so 35) is also not the end of the world for me.
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I think it's an important 40 assets... and it also gives ground to the vultures that are the other parts of the budget, tbh. I think it'll make it harder to go back up to 50% in the future just because they've gotten used to understanding that they can push us around and shrink our budget. I don't think it'll be doom, or some sort of "50% is locked off" but I wouldn't be that surprised if being willing to take a hit doesn't make the new minimum 35% and just shift the competition downards.
 
[x] Plan: 45% budget but all others
- [x] 45% of the Dominion Budget - no change
- [x] An Actual Goddamn Fleet - +2 Leverage
- [x] The Sludge Must Flow - +1 Leverage
- [x] A Nice Chat Over Lunch - +1 Leverage
- [x] Military Surplus Redux - -1 Leverage
- [x] Space Defenders - -2 Leverage
- [x] Running Interference - -1 Leverage
- [x] Accept the deal - no change
- [x] Make it percentage-based - +5 Suspicion
 
Mathematically, 45%+Space Defenders is more money if we spend at least 5 dice on Space actions in a turn (or at least 17 in a year). If we do not want to do that, then 50% is more money.

I ran the numbers on Funding as well.

We have a total of 90 R in non-budget Resources (which goes up by 5 each turn), and budget options of 360 or 400. That's a total resource budget of 450 or 490 to draw Funding from. Funding is going to have a static +15 from insider trading. I asked Etranger and he confirmed that %s will round up to the nearest 5.

  • 5%: 25 either way, +15, for 40 Funding if we for some reason wanted to keep the status quo
  • 10%: 45 or 50, +15, for 60 or 65 Funding
  • 15%: 70 or 75, +15, for 85 or 90 Funding
  • 20%: 90 or 100, +15, for 105 or 115 Funding

So even on Funding, we're good. The only arguments I think are pertinent are, do we not want to go space heavy this year and, how concerned are we about setting a new normal at the budget? I do want to go to space this year, and while I'm not happy about backsliding we can always promise more and ask less next year.

[X] Plan: 45% budget but all others

Also, as a side note, I wasn't going to run all of my plans and frankly a lot of these are basically identical so I won't be initiating them. If you voted for one of my exploratory drafts, sorry about that, but I think we're basically just choosing between 45% budget but all others and Leveraging Our Assets. For the record, I won't be disappointed if the latter wins, I think these are more or less equally good plans but we have an opportunity to specialize and knock some critical work out of the park right now.
 
When doing the math of the space things we're likely to do, it's honestly pretty close-ish? Ish.

But it locks us into having to obsessively pick space stuff despite there frankly being a lot more interesting non-space stuff going around, in a similar but less interesting way that the Starke Planning locks us into always trying to have Paranoia-positive turns so that we can use the effect.

That's another thing. If you don't think that we're going to have MANY paranoia-positive turns, you should remove the Starke Favor, add in Space Defenders, and you'll have a net-neutral plan that gets even more resources/etc.

E: Personally I'm planning on intentionally trying to have four turns in a row with +5 Paranoia to wipe out. :V
 
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