The Second Reconstruction-A Post-Civil War Kaiserreich USA Quest
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Folks, I get that there's a strong temptation to tell this guy to suck an egg, but there's a real danger of Byrd scuttling our campaign - he'll be stealing voters from us, not Long. We need to swallow our distaste and make a compromise in order to bring the Dixiecrats and business interests back to the table.
[X] Reiterate Olson's plan to rely on the cabinet, which has been promised to include Southerners
[X] This seems like an attention seeking ploy by Byrd, just offer him a spot in cabinet
[X] New York
[X] Pennsylvania
[X] Missouri
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I agree, but I think that moderating on unions is the wrong way to do that, since it may cost us the union vote. Since direct bribes, blackmail and intimidation is off the table, I think it's better to bribe the Dixiecrats with power. It may neuter our administration, but at least we'll have a chance to win the election.
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Right, that makes sense. I picked the Unions since it was the hot-button topic, but it also mentioned that we were making actual progress on winning them over from Reed, so we shouldn't sabotage that progress. Bribery and cabinet seats it is, then.
Also ended up replacing New Jersey with Missouri, since control over St. Louis is going to be incredibly important during the civil war - just look at a rail map to understand why.
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[X] Risk calling his bluff and allow him to run
[X] Reiterate Olson's plan to rely on the cabinet, which has been promised to include Southerners
[X] This seems like an attention seeking ploy by Byrd, just offer him a spot in cabinet
[x] New York
[x] Pennsylvania
[x] New Jersey
[X] Reiterate Olson's plan to rely on the cabinet, which has been promised to include Southerners
[X] This seems like an attention seeking ploy by Byrd, just offer him a spot in cabinet
[x] New York
[x] Pennsylvania
[x] New Jersey
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- Fort Worth, TX
[X] This seems like an attention seeking ploy by Byrd, just offer him a spot in cabinet
Pick three swing states to focus the campaign in
[X] New York
[X] Pennsylvania
[X] New Jersey
Pick three swing states to focus the campaign in
[X] New York
[X] Pennsylvania
[X] New Jersey
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- Watchung,New Jersey
Thats totally fair. I added on to giving Byrd a cabinet post (SecState? SecTreasury?). It be best to make absolutely sure we dont get fucked in the ass by him. Also what I said about Courting Conservatives is still in effect. We should probably go out of our way to allow them to start free trade again. In addition to being Politically expedient its just plain old good sense economically. We have the capability to be a economic powerhouse providing goods to whomever we choose (or just making the Entente our bitches). Lets not engage in a pointless trade war over it.
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Theaxofwar
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[X] Make a deal to moderate Olson's stance on Unions
[X] New York
[X] Pennsylvania
[X] Virginia
[X] New York
[X] Pennsylvania
[X] Virginia
[X] This seems like an attention seeking ploy by Byrd, just offer him a spot in cabinet
[X] New York
[X] Pennsylvania
[X] Texas
[X] New York
[X] Pennsylvania
[X] Texas
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- Conquest Bay
[X] This seems like an attention seeking ploy by Byrd, just offer him a spot in cabinet
[X] New York
[X] Pennsylvania
[X] New Jersey
[X] New York
[X] Pennsylvania
[X] New Jersey
Ghostdevil
The Devil of Ghosts
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[X] This seems like an attention seeking ploy by Byrd, just offer him a spot in cabinet
[X] New York
[X] Pennsylvania
[X] New Jersey
[X] New York
[X] Pennsylvania
[X] New Jersey
Ghostdevil
The Devil of Ghosts
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Honestly i could be tempted to the... argh segregation vote, just thinking of WHEN it actually ended in Real Life with a FAR stronger US with a FAR stronger federal government with a FAR stronger economy. Just Jesus. Fucked up but probably the strongest bet most likely due to how distasteful it'd be for the players to do it.
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- Location
- Most likely California
[X] Reiterate Olson's plan to rely on the cabinet, which has been promised to include Southerners
[X] This seems like an attention seeking ploy by Byrd, just offer him a spot in cabinet
Doesn't promise any policies, but allows the South Dems to feel like they have influence.
[X] New York
[X] Pennsylvania
[X] Virginia
[X] This seems like an attention seeking ploy by Byrd, just offer him a spot in cabinet
Doesn't promise any policies, but allows the South Dems to feel like they have influence.
[X] New York
[X] Pennsylvania
[X] Virginia
Being SV, we're not voting to suppress the Civil Rights movement. It just won't happen, no matter how pragmatic it is. What we can do is play politics, and I think bribing the man with an administration position is the best option we have.
Promising Cabinet Rule to the Dixiecrats isn't working. We need to give them something more.
[X] Make a deal to allow segregation into the Fair Deal
[X] Texas
[X] Missouri
[X] Virginia
[X] Texas
[X] Missouri
[X] Virginia
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- USA
Something maybe worth noting is that if Byrd ran a rogue regional segregationist campaign, there's a real chance that he could win enough of the south to push Long off the top 3 electoral vote getters which would completely exclude him from consideration in the House if nobody gets 266 EVs.
It's sort of up in the air as to how much of a shot we really have at winning the election outright. There appears to be consensus on NY, Penn, and NJ, so that plus New England is 140 EVs. Let's be generous and say that the coalition ticket is able to overcome or co-opt enough elements of EPIC in California and that Seattle isn't by itself enough to overcome the rest of Washington for 3 safe states. That's another 35 EVs for 175. Then we'll say that the plains states with no part of the Rocky Mountains and the accompanying mining union population are also safe, North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, and Kansas for another 24 EVs. for 199 EVs. Let's also say that Olson's home state of Minnesota is safeish at 11 electoral votes for 210.
Beyond this I don't think it's reasonable to consider anything safeish so I'll speculate in what I think is a descending order of likeliness that can be won.
I think Maryland is a reasonably sure pickup, while it's character is still far more southern than it is today, it also isn't dominated by the same sort of courthouse cliques and the city of Baltimore by itself changes the balance of the state to be significantly more northern and industrial outlook and with this very progressive platform I feel that unless the SPA has complete control of the Baltimore which I find unlikely given the relative lack of a political machine existing at all in Baltimore in comparison to Tammany Hall or the Daley family machine, Maryland's 8 EVs can be counter for the Unity ticket for 218 EVs.
Iowa has a similarish character in the agrarian portions of the state to Minnesota albeit without the Arrowhead mining interests and the twin cities. I think with Floyd Olson at the head of the ticket and his background in the Farmer-Labor movement, I don't think Long can compete at all and I think Olson has a very good chance of defeating the more industrial interests of the SPA in Iowa for another 11 EVs for 229 EVs.
The remaining 37 EVs that would be needed to win are really dependent on this turn and the next. If Byrd bolts, we can probably say goodbye to the whole South to either him or Long. if that doesn't happen 3 or 4 Southern states would push us over the edge. The forces in the border states are so divided that regardless of what happens they'd be either 3 or 4 way tossups(Oklahoma, Missouri, and Kentucky). The Rocky Mountain states probably aren't tossup but it's really hard to discern their orientation without knowing the extent to which the SPA has been able to win over union interests in those states. There's also the uncertain political orientation of the Mormons in Utah, Idaho, and Wyoming who may very well be inclined to throw in with the AFP. This is also a sufficiently progressive platform that a misstep by Reed could conceivably result in the more right wing portions of the SPA coming onside to the coalition throughout the campaign with particular note towards Wisconsin(12 EVs) and Indiana(14 EVs), Wisconsin due to the historical success of the La Follete family in maintaining the Progressive Party's control of the state government for about a whole decade around this time and their truce with the SPA in Milwaukee, and Indiana as being far and away the most conservative single state in the Steel Belt.
Overall, even if Byrd bolts, I think there's better than even odds of being able to win the election outright.
It's sort of up in the air as to how much of a shot we really have at winning the election outright. There appears to be consensus on NY, Penn, and NJ, so that plus New England is 140 EVs. Let's be generous and say that the coalition ticket is able to overcome or co-opt enough elements of EPIC in California and that Seattle isn't by itself enough to overcome the rest of Washington for 3 safe states. That's another 35 EVs for 175. Then we'll say that the plains states with no part of the Rocky Mountains and the accompanying mining union population are also safe, North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, and Kansas for another 24 EVs. for 199 EVs. Let's also say that Olson's home state of Minnesota is safeish at 11 electoral votes for 210.
Beyond this I don't think it's reasonable to consider anything safeish so I'll speculate in what I think is a descending order of likeliness that can be won.
I think Maryland is a reasonably sure pickup, while it's character is still far more southern than it is today, it also isn't dominated by the same sort of courthouse cliques and the city of Baltimore by itself changes the balance of the state to be significantly more northern and industrial outlook and with this very progressive platform I feel that unless the SPA has complete control of the Baltimore which I find unlikely given the relative lack of a political machine existing at all in Baltimore in comparison to Tammany Hall or the Daley family machine, Maryland's 8 EVs can be counter for the Unity ticket for 218 EVs.
Iowa has a similarish character in the agrarian portions of the state to Minnesota albeit without the Arrowhead mining interests and the twin cities. I think with Floyd Olson at the head of the ticket and his background in the Farmer-Labor movement, I don't think Long can compete at all and I think Olson has a very good chance of defeating the more industrial interests of the SPA in Iowa for another 11 EVs for 229 EVs.
The remaining 37 EVs that would be needed to win are really dependent on this turn and the next. If Byrd bolts, we can probably say goodbye to the whole South to either him or Long. if that doesn't happen 3 or 4 Southern states would push us over the edge. The forces in the border states are so divided that regardless of what happens they'd be either 3 or 4 way tossups(Oklahoma, Missouri, and Kentucky). The Rocky Mountain states probably aren't tossup but it's really hard to discern their orientation without knowing the extent to which the SPA has been able to win over union interests in those states. There's also the uncertain political orientation of the Mormons in Utah, Idaho, and Wyoming who may very well be inclined to throw in with the AFP. This is also a sufficiently progressive platform that a misstep by Reed could conceivably result in the more right wing portions of the SPA coming onside to the coalition throughout the campaign with particular note towards Wisconsin(12 EVs) and Indiana(14 EVs), Wisconsin due to the historical success of the La Follete family in maintaining the Progressive Party's control of the state government for about a whole decade around this time and their truce with the SPA in Milwaukee, and Indiana as being far and away the most conservative single state in the Steel Belt.
Overall, even if Byrd bolts, I think there's better than even odds of being able to win the election outright.
Ghostdevil
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Its hard to tell since this is Kaiserreich politics honestly, after all (this is responding to the whole btw not just the quoted part)
The Syndicalists somehow picked up Conservative areas with super left wing policies since a large part of their regional base was pretty right wing in the OTL.
I think the Mormons would go with Us, mostly because the AFP seems mainstream Christian supporting and pretty eh for everyone else.
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Ya the AFP and religion seems really weird. The lore portrays Father Coughlin as Longs go between with the Pelley, who runs the silver legion full of the KKK veterans who weren't, ya know, fans of Catholics. Also an interesting thing is until the rise of the religious right, Utah was fairly moderate and populist in its own weird way (unasked for knowledge brought to you by someone who lives there lol)
Ghostdevil
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Guys, they already KNOW were saying were going to do a cabinet presidency it is basically the same vote as calling his "bluff" which is to say, a bad idea.
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