- Location
- va
[X] Bertrand Smith
Semper Ad Meliora (Code Geass/Britannian Royalty Quest)
- Thread starter Slayer Anderson
- Start date
- Sci-Fi
- Location
- United states
Dude can you not fear monger? Because you kind of are by pretty much implying that we absolutely need to take this choice or else we are screwed. Which just seems insulting to the QM by implying that they are pretty much railroading us into this choice.
This is also something to consider but Bertrand while good likely isn't the only hacker of his caliber considering the setting is full of people as talented as him. Also consider that Lelouch would likely not be putting every single one of his secrets into a digital format and we have seen that this is the case for even the higher ups of Britania who still seem to use pen and paper for important stuff like with Jeanne's recruitment letter.
[X] Dr. Kenshin Jaegar
QuietlyObserving
The Railgun That Walks Like a Bear
- Location
- Here.
Oh, man, I'm glad I found this.
We've got a whole clan of super-ninjas, we're a nascent Psychic God, we're about to get a super-genius scientist, and we managed to snag an ace pilot who was able to draw even with Suzaku Friggin' Kururugi and his literally supernatural skills on her own talents. And it's only 3 years in.
This is gonna be awesome.
[X] Dr. Kenshin Jaegar
We've got a whole clan of super-ninjas, we're a nascent Psychic God, we're about to get a super-genius scientist, and we managed to snag an ace pilot who was able to draw even with Suzaku Friggin' Kururugi and his literally supernatural skills on her own talents. And it's only 3 years in.
This is gonna be awesome.
[X] Dr. Kenshin Jaegar
- Location
- USA
[X] Dr. Kenshin Jaegar
Let's squeeze every drop of use from the orb. Maybe find out about whatever scheme is replacing the Ragnarok Connection.
Let's squeeze every drop of use from the orb. Maybe find out about whatever scheme is replacing the Ragnarok Connection.
- Location
- ?????????
We are average at coding which is okay but it will take more actions to get good, so to speak.
- Location
- Brazil
[X ] Dr. Kenshin Jaegar
- Location
- USA
[X] Bertrand Smith
- Location
- Midway
[X] Dr. Kenshin Jaegar
- Location
- USA
You're acting like we can reliably raise his SL when we have so many important ones to do.
There's also the fact that we have absolutely no indication that we can acquire any of them in a reasonable timeframe if we turn them down here. Hell, there's no indication we can acquire any of them later if we don't choose them now.
You're also acting like the OSI is our enemy, when our GM has stated on multiple occasions that this is a Loyal Britannian Royal quest.
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@Slayer Anderson who controls the OSI? I thought it was controlled by the Emperor, and it seemed to have deep connections canonically to the Geass Directorate. How does it work here?
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Haven't seen too much discussion on what people think the hidden plot hooks the options have, so I'll give my take.
Obvious hook is we can get into spy games, but the less obvious one is that it's probably connected to the secret conspiracy stuff that exists in Code Geass. His personality could be natural, or it could be a result of reprogramming.
The kind of "anything goes as long as it helps Britannia" sounds a lot like what Charles did to Lelouch in the Akito OVAs to make Julius Kingsley to me.
Hot take, the girl is the real advisor. This one seems relatively normal hook wise to me. Maybe transhumanism for the secret conspiracy?
Jump straight into the hidden conspiracy stuff, but also leverage the fact that there's bonus conspiracy we can delve into because of our unique artifact
Shapeless Phobos
Filthy Casual
[X] Bertrand Smith
Having re-watched the first season I couldn't help but notice that a lot of Lelouch's tactics involved battlefield control. Such wonderful examples include stealing IFF codes to know enemy positions, planting fake gas bombs, crashing a mountain on a third of the enemy forces. And of course my favorite, pulling the veritable rug out from under Cornelia's fortifications.
Getting 'collaborators' was one of Lelouch's favorite tactic and it worked pretty well for his opening moves in most conflicts. Without his Command Geass hacking the enemy or surveying them with drones is probably the next best thing. And these two super-scientists' audacity looks like it'd fit well with his style. Not to mention drones could help us preserve our forces, at least in regards to our ace pilots if we ever run out of luck.
Admittedly, we could potentially do something similar with the Psionics but I'm uncertain of it. Feels too much like the Mystery Box, still. We've already been told we don't really need a Piety adviser but I feel like having a Learning Adviser who is partly focused on the mystic is double-dipping into something that's not really required anymore.
Having re-watched the first season I couldn't help but notice that a lot of Lelouch's tactics involved battlefield control. Such wonderful examples include stealing IFF codes to know enemy positions, planting fake gas bombs, crashing a mountain on a third of the enemy forces. And of course my favorite, pulling the veritable rug out from under Cornelia's fortifications.
Getting 'collaborators' was one of Lelouch's favorite tactic and it worked pretty well for his opening moves in most conflicts. Without his Command Geass hacking the enemy or surveying them with drones is probably the next best thing. And these two super-scientists' audacity looks like it'd fit well with his style. Not to mention drones could help us preserve our forces, at least in regards to our ace pilots if we ever run out of luck.
Admittedly, we could potentially do something similar with the Psionics but I'm uncertain of it. Feels too much like the Mystery Box, still. We've already been told we don't really need a Piety adviser but I feel like having a Learning Adviser who is partly focused on the mystic is double-dipping into something that's not really required anymore.
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PlazmaStryke
Proving why Orbital Bombardment is the way to go
- Location
- High Orbit, maybe?
[X] Dr. Kenshin Jaegar
It's seems like the madman is our "best" choice here. While they might be just scientist images, both the lunatic and his friend feature in the "crazier ideas" side of not only what we've got so far, but also what we're trying to grab too. Astrophysics could be amazing, given time, and that's not even counting how archaeology might stack up with our orb/memories.
And, ofc, shadowy psy cabal is probably real and he might have actual insight into them. Or at least, maybe some potential security measures?
And barring all of that, he's a known polyglot. If we could leverage our time right, we could probably get him to teach us some more languages. Which should hopefully turn into a/more traits that hopefully build up our diploma bit. Or just expand our recruitment horizons. It's also probable that he has no loyalty to Schnizel at all, given his past and even current life. Bertrand might hate Schnizel/Schnizel dislike him, or worse, he's actually more loyal to him for being the prince who brought him in and everything. That could be awkward, just sayin.
Duly note: he's probably well known to said cabal, and any others similar. Him getting picked up will probably be known, and possibly traced back to us. It could be they were planning on kidnapping and convincing him to work for them. Could be that they were just fine with him going around providing them cover by trying to tell everyone he can about them. You never know.
However, we will be losing out on Bertrand, which is sad. He might not be the only super hacker around, and his criminal past might cause us some problems, but he would make an excellent intrigue supporter. And his assistant could be useful for drone development, and probably for the likes of IFF and other electronic military communication hardware. On the other side, they're missing out on a lot of normal stuff themselves, are of dubious levels on "holding back", and overall might be more willing to do law breaking actions....even when we don't tell them to. Drones would also probably be a costly path to take, similar to any actual space actions.
If we didn't have Kensin, I would've gone for Bertrand in a heartbeat. As it is, I would like our intrigue advisor to be someone who we can count on to back us up, and cover our intrigue weaknesses (few that they may be).
It's seems like the madman is our "best" choice here. While they might be just scientist images, both the lunatic and his friend feature in the "crazier ideas" side of not only what we've got so far, but also what we're trying to grab too. Astrophysics could be amazing, given time, and that's not even counting how archaeology might stack up with our orb/memories.
And, ofc, shadowy psy cabal is probably real and he might have actual insight into them. Or at least, maybe some potential security measures?
And barring all of that, he's a known polyglot. If we could leverage our time right, we could probably get him to teach us some more languages. Which should hopefully turn into a/more traits that hopefully build up our diploma bit. Or just expand our recruitment horizons. It's also probable that he has no loyalty to Schnizel at all, given his past and even current life. Bertrand might hate Schnizel/Schnizel dislike him, or worse, he's actually more loyal to him for being the prince who brought him in and everything. That could be awkward, just sayin.
Duly note: he's probably well known to said cabal, and any others similar. Him getting picked up will probably be known, and possibly traced back to us. It could be they were planning on kidnapping and convincing him to work for them. Could be that they were just fine with him going around providing them cover by trying to tell everyone he can about them. You never know.
However, we will be losing out on Bertrand, which is sad. He might not be the only super hacker around, and his criminal past might cause us some problems, but he would make an excellent intrigue supporter. And his assistant could be useful for drone development, and probably for the likes of IFF and other electronic military communication hardware. On the other side, they're missing out on a lot of normal stuff themselves, are of dubious levels on "holding back", and overall might be more willing to do law breaking actions....even when we don't tell them to. Drones would also probably be a costly path to take, similar to any actual space actions.
If we didn't have Kensin, I would've gone for Bertrand in a heartbeat. As it is, I would like our intrigue advisor to be someone who we can count on to back us up, and cover our intrigue weaknesses (few that they may be).
Archon of Ghosts
Servant of Rome
- Location
- Luxembourg
[X] Bertrand Smith
- Location
- UK
That logic seems questionable. It's bizarre that you mention Kenshin Jaegar's Special Feature, without also mentioning Bertrand Smith's. Bertrand's Special Feature is "Imperial Ethics - They enable law-breaking actions against the Britannian Empire itself as long as they can be justified for it's long-term gain and prosperity." That essentially negates what you were worried about.
This is also bizarre. Quite clearly there aren't many super hackers with stats of 25 learning on the planet. If there were, we wouldn't have needed a huge critical success in order to recruit this guy. You could just as equally argue that there are plenty of people who could help us study psionics. Are you going to say that we shouldn't pick Kenshin Jaegar because there are dozens or hundreds of other people just as skilled at Psionics who could help our enemies, and who we ourselves could recruit?
I don't think that @ThatGuyWithIdeas is fear mongering. They are instead making the salient point that cyber security, and lack thereof, is very important. It's no more fear mongering than suggesting we miss out on the opportunity of researching psionics by not getting Kenshin Jaegar. There are costs to going with any option instead of the others, and being reminded of that is simply common sense.
Like I said above, it's also ridiculous to act as if this guy, almost the equivalent of Lloyd Asplund in brilliance, is some kind of dime-a-dozen computer hacker. If anything, you're doing exactly what you accused @ThatGuyWithIdeas of doing, and are being "insulting to the QM by implying that they are pretty much railroading us into this choice" with the suggestion that Bertrand Smith is apparently just some worthless scrub, instead of a nigh unparalleled and absolute genius in his field.
As it is, I still haven't decided which advisor I want to get, as I'm torn between Bertrand and Kenshin, but I really dislike the arguments you all are making in favour of Kenshin.
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