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[X] Capture Sulqueum. She has given you a ferocious battle and thus proved herself a worthy foe. Defeat her then let her survive in return for a tribute of wealth, a portion of her undoubtedly massive hoard. If she does not pay up? Destroy her cities and let her be known as a dragon not worth letting live. This would also demonstrate to other dragons that you are not seeking dragonicide and so can be dealt with reasonably. (Gain 30ish Wealth with 3 point of infused magic, plus not be Dragon Enemy No 1. Might get cut up by Sulqueum, she can still fight back).
 
Packrat said:
The key factors here are that Sulqueum was every bit as dangerous as you and that if you demonstrate that you will immediately kill and eat defeated peer opponents? Then if you ever lose, you are likely to be killed and eaten. Taking on a peer opponent is outrageously dangerous after all.
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Damn. It would have been so satisfying. :( @Packrat, will taking her stuff make her less attractive/mind-controlling for us?

[X] Capture Sulqueum. She has given you a ferocious battle and thus proved herself a worthy foe. Defeat her then let her survive in return for a tribute of wealth, a portion of her undoubtedly massive hoard. If she does not pay up? Destroy her cities and let her be known as a dragon not worth letting live. This would also demonstrate to other dragons that you are not seeking dragonicide and so can be dealt with reasonably. (Gain 30ish Wealth with 3 point of infused magic, plus not be Dragon Enemy No 1. Might get cut up by Sulqueum, she can still fight back).
 
[X] Capture Sulqueum. She has given you a ferocious battle and thus proved herself a worthy foe. Defeat her then let her survive in return for a tribute of wealth, a portion of her undoubtedly massive hoard. If she does not pay up? Destroy her cities and let her be known as a dragon not worth letting live. This would also demonstrate to other dragons that you are not seeking dragonicide and so can be dealt with reasonably. (Gain 30ish Wealth with 3 point of infused magic, plus not be Dragon Enemy No 1. Might get cut up by Sulqueum, she can still fight back).

I kind of wanted to just bail out, take our dragon-god ball and go home for a year or so, then return. Let the Benefactors get mad that they fired their own, and maybe do a minor sweep of the mind-magics when we get back. The idea being to let the mortals do our dirty work for us so we don't dirty our illustriously glowing scaly claws doing the work of punishing them for their impudence.
 
Duesal said:
Damn. It would have been so satisfying. :( @Packrat, will taking her stuff make her less attractive/mind-controlling for us?
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Well she was not mind controlling before, but she is the first fully grown dragoness Etorix has met since he has been fully grown himself and able to have an actual chance. By dragon standards she is also good looking and her being extremely wealthy is a huge plus. Realistically there are only a dozen or so potential peer mates for Etorix and the presence of preening juvenile males whom she might well be keeping/have been keeping as a harem was pressing his buttons hard.

Taking a chunk of her hoard would reduce the wealth factor in attraction yes but as just said there are not exactly very many options for potential mates, a few more if Etorix is willing to play junior partner to an ancient and sufficiently impresses her perhaps.
 
Packrat said:
[] Capture Sulqueum. She has given you a ferocious battle and thus proved herself a worthy foe. Defeat her then let her survive in return for a tribute of wealth, a portion of her undoubtedly massive hoard. If she does not pay up? Destroy her cities and let her be known as a dragon not worth letting live. This would also demonstrate to other dragons that you are not seeking dragonicide and so can be dealt with reasonably. (Gain 30ish Wealth with 3 point of infused magic, plus not be Dragon Enemy No 1. Might get cut up by Sulqueum, she can still fight back).
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Hopy Ship, 30 Wealth? She's richer than most Ancients by a ridiculous amount.
 
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Packrat said:
Two of the damaged Lammergeier G75 Aerospace Fighters are now tumbling fragments but the other four seem to be intact, if no longer capable of inertia-less flight, also fleeing eastward. You have no idea what happened to the two juvenile dragons who disengaged before the corvette exploded but likely nothing good..
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@Packrat, just confirming, but it's very unlikely that they managed to escape unscathed, right?
 
[X] Capture Sulqueum.

We're really going to have to grill the humans after this. Impulsive decisions like that are supposed to be for wrymlings and barbarians, not a highly advanced intra-stellar organization. On the plus end, maybe that hard-ass idiot general got himself killed in the fight?
 
Duesal said:
@Packrat, just confirming, but it's very unlikely that they managed to escape unscathed, right?
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Right, they are both likely sevely injured but was one invisible and the other underwater with both already fleeing.

Also @PrimalShadow that is exactly right. Her hoard is at least as well hidden as yours and remained undiscovered for over a millenia, so not easy to find.

@The Froggy Ninja you currently have 70 wealth with ,your Hoard 7 she probably has 150ish from Hoard 9, which would be typical for a 'one cycle' ancient. So actually amending the quantity you could extort from her to more like 40.
 
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A couple more questions for you, @Packrat.
  • Is capturing Sulqueum easier, harder, or the same difficulty as killing her?
  • If we capture Sulqueum, is the ransom and reputation effect the only thing we are getting, or do we also ensure a degree of cooperation from her? E.g. working for us, or at least not working against us?

Also, some questions for the thread as a whole:
  • Can someone remind me how much wealth we have total? I want to see how +30 wealth compares to that.
  • What is the benefit of having extra wealth? I can think of three reasons; am I missing any?
    • More Wealth translates into more prestige in dragon society
    • More Wealth means we can stockpile more power for use during the next cycle, though this is a highly long-term concern
    • Wealth can probably be traded to other dragons for things
 
@PrimalShadow capturing her would be similar difficulty, given that she would not be fighting to the death and/or tempted to drain her hoard of the stored magic she is using to survive in order to spite and hurt you.

She would probably not 'work for' you but there would be a tacit understanding that she lost, you won, it would reset interactions but recast you in a positive light.

You are also pretty much right about the uses of Wealth though given your divine purview of Greed you cannot actually give away or trade something once it is added to your hoard, it is yours then, forever. On the other hand Etorix craves precious treasures even more than one might expect a dragon to, despite them being even less useful.
 
PrimalShadow said:
Also, some questions for the thread as a whole:
  • Can someone remind me how much wealth we have total? I want to see how +30 wealth compares to that.
  • What is the benefit of having extra wealth? I can think of three reasons; am I missing any?
    • More Wealth translates into more prestige in dragon society
    • More Wealth means we can stockpile more power for use during the next cycle, though this is a highly long-term concern
    • Wealth can probably be traded to other dragons for things
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We should have 70 Wealth. I don't know of any important uses you haven't mentioned. The 3 points of stored magic and demonstrating we don't want to slay all dragons is probably more important.
Packrat said:
Hoard – Your stored wealth and also repository for magical power.
7 – Stored Power 4 out of 70 maximum
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[X] Capture Sulqueum. She has given you a ferocious battle and thus proved herself a worthy foe. Defeat her then let her survive in return for a tribute of wealth, a portion of her undoubtedly massive hoard. If she does not pay up? Destroy her cities and let her be known as a dragon not worth letting live. This would also demonstrate to other dragons that you are not seeking dragonicide and so can be dealt with reasonably. (Gain 30ish Wealth with 3 point of infused magic, plus not be Dragon Enemy No 1. Might get cut up by Sulqueum, she can still fight back).
 
@Packrat, in what event would we be able to eat our annoying enemies and not accidentally convince every dragon in the world we're planning on dragon genocide?

For example, could we eat our father?
 
[X] Capture Sulqueum. She has given you a ferocious battle and thus proved herself a worthy foe. Defeat her then let her survive in return for a tribute of wealth, a portion of her undoubtedly massive hoard. If she does not pay up? Destroy her cities and let her be known as a dragon not worth letting live. This would also demonstrate to other dragons that you are not seeking dragonicide and so can be dealt with reasonably. (Gain 40ish Wealth with 4 points of infused magic, plus not be Dragon Enemy No 1. Might get cut up by Sulqueum, she can still fight back).
 
If we have 70 wealth right now, I wonder where the magic charge on it went.

We started the game with 10 magic charged up. That means that if we had charged up our hoard fully last cycle (which I assume we did), we used up 60 out of 70 charge. Does that mean we would have died if we had less than 60 wealth to start? Or is there some scaling factor there, with less gold to hibernate on would have led to less growth and therefore lower consumption (at the cost of stunting power)? Or did we actually draw on stored magic to wake up, and a less wealthy dragon could have slept more to save some more energy? Or is there another option here?
 
[X] Kill Sulqueum. She has spent her strength and is now more badly injured than you, whilst you are strengthened with divine power. She can no doubt still put up a fight but you can overhaul and slay her, eat her, take power from her and leave her hoard unclaimed (Gain 30ish magic from eating Sulqueum, though she can still fight back).

We take her out, we'll be uncontested across the planet. That will give us time to build up an iron-clad worship base such that we can start taking down ancients. Perhaps this is too ambitious, but I don't see making friends with ancients working very well for us, even if we spare Sulqueum. They'll be intimidated by both our worshiper base and our human acceleration ambitions and undermine both.
 
[X] Capture Sulqueum.

Fuck the Benefactors, we are not trying to exterminate all dragons. Especially when we will need help further down the line with repelling the space dragons. Even if I would like to kill Maven.
 
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[X] Capture Sulqueum. She has given you a ferocious battle and thus proved herself a worthy foe. Defeat her then let her survive in return for a tribute of wealth, a portion of her undoubtedly massive hoard. If she does not pay up? Destroy her cities and let her be known as a dragon not worth letting live. This would also demonstrate to other dragons that you are not seeking dragonicide and so can be dealt with reasonably. (Gain 30ish Wealth with 3 point of infused magic, plus not be Dragon Enemy No 1. Might get cut up by Sulqueum, she can still fight back).
 
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