Xianxia Encompassing the World! (Xianxia Rec Discussion and Idea thread)

What annoys me is that the so-called MCs with True Yang Body and whatnot still look like pale-skinned jade with a slender body. Come on, stop being cowards and show us real muscular men!
There is a possibility that the plot will be adapted for the drama, which means that most likely some male idol will play the role - and they are not very muscular (although among them there are more muscular ones, but to see the muscles you have to look at Instagram - in fantasy dramas the characters wear so many clothes , that you won't see any muscles there).

true Dao is about universality and Wuxing is the polar opposite, as it box people into certain restriction)
It must be said that in general the original symbol very strongly implies that in every Yang there is a little Yin and vice versa. However, Wuxin was not really invented by Taoists - initially it was a parallel philosophical concept, which Taoists then began to use and interpret in their own way.
 
It must be said that in general the original symbol very strongly implies that in every Yang there is a little Yin and vice versa. However, Wuxin was not really invented by Taoists - initially it was a parallel philosophical concept, which Taoists then began to use and interpret in their own way.
I know. It is actually funny to see in Legend of the Qin, where the Daoist and Wuxing/elementalist are not the same, but are in fact hostile to each other.

Xianxia took later developments long after the syncretism of various school of thoughts, with these factions cannibalize each others based on concepts and ideas, merging and changing compared to how it was before.
 
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Xianxia took later developments long after the syncretism of various school of thoughts, with these factions cannibalize each others based on concepts and ideas, merging and changing compared to how it was before.
Typically for China, competing with each other, philosophical schools actively borrowed ideas and concepts from each other, often adapting them in their own way. As a result, Taoists talk about the teachings of Buddha, Buddhists try to comprehend the Tao, and Confucianists are familiar with Taoist and Buddhist terminology - and all this moves in the minds of anyone who can read. The truth is that as a side effect, in different philosophical schools the same word can mean completely different things (and at the Faculty of Philosophy I was taught that philosophical discussion is not possible if no one has agreed on definitions).
 
Another aspect is that there's no drive for philosophical/religious/ideological purity in the Hundred Schools of Thought, maybe until the Qin Dynasty and its Legalist framework.
 
Another aspect is that there's no drive for philosophical/religious/ideological purity in the Hundred Schools of Thought, maybe until the Qin Dynasty and its Legalist framework.
I thought it was the opposite. Puritanism was all the rage until Qin suppression and during Han they fell out of favor and syncretism is the new hot shit.
 
I thought it was the opposite. Puritanism was all the rage until Qin suppression and during Han they fell out of favor and syncretism is the new hot shit.

Makes sense, internal purity is needed when there's like 10 different schools of thought and one needs to differentiate from each other. The thing was that Spring and Autumn Period was also politically divided meaning each school could exist in its own state and define itself. When the Qin happened, it was politically united but philosophically divided and so the Legalist progrom resulted in an attempt at internal purity at a larger scale. When the Han happened, it remained politically united and so the ideas end up mixing together in a philosophical melting pot instead.
 
Yea, that's why Wuxing and Daoists were enemies in Legend of the Qin. I mean it took a mountain of artistic liberties, but the theme was not without merit.
In fact, they remarked that Wuxing was falling out of favor.

After the fall of Qin, Mohism is dead, School of Agriculture also dead (despite being ardent supporter of Han) while Confucianism took the mantle and absorb the two teaching + legalism as framework. (Han hates legalist) Daoism went to absorb the Wuxing school and then Buddhism is rising again (Qin hates Buddhism).

Which is how you see Confucianism, Daoism, and Buddhism as three school of Xianxia. Those are what most people know currently.
 
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Entirely unrelated to the discussion, I kinda want to recommend something atm: Source & Soul: A Deckbuilding LitRPG.

It's not a xianxia, but I consider this more or less the general LitRPG thread, so I'm just gonna post it here.
Kind of off-topic there. This is not the LitRPG thread. If it was, I'd have a whole bunch of recs of my own that I've been holding back on.

Also, I read that and... yeah. I held on for a while, but eventually the cringe of the angst and obvious bad decisionmaking by the protagonists got to be too much.
 
Yeah, I don't even know if there is a litrpg thread around here. There's stuff that's close -- the isekai thread is much more adjacent than the xianxia one, there's CYOA threads around including celestial forge, etc. -- but if there's a dedicated litrpg (or even just gamelit) thread I haven't noticed it.

... probably could stand to be one, but considering how heavily it's weaved into genres (like, well, xianxia and isekai :V) that are consistently just kinda' absolutely horrid on a number of fronts very much including ethics, gods know I wouldn't want to be the one to make or try to herd it into something reasonable. Even though it's like 95% of what I read these days, heh.
 
Yeah... same. I've looked around, and if one existed I'd probably try to join, but I'm not up for making one on my own, or trying to resuscitate one of the almost-but-not-quite threads on the topic that seem to have died years ago.
 
Someone just told me about this interesting discussion going on, and I´d like to weigh in on it a little.

Yea, that's why Wuxing and Daoists were enemies in Legend of the Qin. I mean it took a mountain of artistic liberties, but the theme was not without merit.
In fact, they remarked that Wuxing was falling out of favor.

After the fall of Qin, Mohism is dead, School of Agriculture also dead (despite being ardent supporter of Han) while Confucianism took the mantle and absorb the two teaching + legalism as framework. (Han hates legalist) Daoism went to absorb the Wuxing school and then Buddhism is rising again (Qin hates Buddhism).

Which is how you see Confucianism, Daoism, and Buddhism as three school of Xianxia. Those are what most people know currently.

While I believe you´re correct about Daoistic and Wuxing schools fusing together, and the Han dynasty expressing Confucianism in a very legalistic way, it must be noted that Buddhism didn´t actually exist in the China during the Qin.

The current main scholarly consensus is that Buddhism entered China during the first century A.D., i.e. the Eastern Han. It probably was spread by Buddhist missionaries travelling along the silk road.

At first it was sometimes seen as some sort of variation of Daoism, but people began to realize that it was something separate rather quickly. What helped Buddhism´s spread was, amongst other things the lack of a central government after the fall of the Eastern Han.

Nevertheless, Buddhism came to be criticized as an un-Chinese religion/philosophy by quite a few intellectuals in the Chinese areas: shaving off your hair, not propagating your ancestral line, living away from society were all things they considered anathema to traditional values. At least up to the Song dynasty, there have been several suppressions of Buddhists (which mainly consisted of monasteries being closed, losing all their possessions, and monks being forced to become laymen again)

However, in the end, (Chan) Buddhism remained part of Chinese society and, by the the time of the Ming dynasty, was considered one of the main three teachings of China, alongside Daoism and Buddhism. By that time, all of these three teaching had been influenced by each other to at least some degree. (e.g. Neo-confucianism developing metaphysics inspired at least partially by certain Daoist teachings)

The frameworks often used by Wuxia and Xianxia authors have their origin mainly in the Ming and Qing dynasties, rather than in the earliest ones. It was during this period that some of the most famous and influential Chinese novels were written, such as Water Margin and Journey to the West. (Another example: the earliest example of Shaolin monks actively practicing martial arts date from the Ming)

Of course, Xianxia novels today are based upon distorted interpretations of earlier xianxia novels, which are based upon a chain of distorted interpretations of later Daoist/Buddhist-like teachings.
 
Now I'm curious on a xianxia narrative where the schools of thought remained separate in the setting.

Thought the other idea that's on my mind is a xianxia narrative where the schools of thought are based on modern Western philosophies like Absurdism...
 
Thought the other idea that's on my mind is a xianxia narrative where the schools of thought are based on modern Western philosophies like Absurdism...
I've seen at least one or two over on royal road running off that general idea, for what it's worth... cultivation novels rooted in western instead of eastern philosophy. Never actually took the time to any of 'em, though, heh.

That said, there's definitely more standard xianxia with heavy separation between schools of thought, stuff where taoist and buddhist schools are actively incompatible and whatnot. Dunno how common they are, though... I've seen it, but I can't recall titles offhand and I don't think I've seen it very often.
 
That said, there's definitely more standard xianxia with heavy separation between schools of thought, stuff where taoist and buddhist schools are actively incompatible and whatnot. Dunno how common they are, though... I've seen it, but I can't recall titles offhand and I don't think I've seen it very often.

Was thinking more Hundred Schools of Thought level of separation than the Big Three that is Taoism, Buddhism, and Confucianism. Though other schools would also be interesting if there's a way to explain them being in the narrative...
 
The issue Xianxia runs into with competing philosophies is that Xianxia centers around the idea that Power Is Everything.

They tend to assume that any person would throw away their philosophy for power, and anyone would adopt a philosophy if it leads to power.
Any philosophy that doesn't lead to power, if it had loyal adherents, would be exterminated by a more powerful group.

The strict darwinism tends to grind all other considerations down.
 
The issue Xianxia runs into with competing philosophies is that Xianxia centers around the idea that Power Is Everything.

They tend to assume that any person would throw away their philosophy for power, and anyone would adopt a philosophy if it leads to power.
Any philosophy that doesn't lead to power, if it had loyal adherents, would be exterminated by a more powerful group.

The strict darwinism tends to grind all other considerations down.

Fair. I do find the irony of a literary genre noted for its extreme darwinism being based on Taoism and it's 'action without action' principles to be something. Not surprising, just finding the irony to be a bit funny.

Though that does make me imagine a narrative of wandering immortal cultivators who are actually following the ideals of Taoism think of the current crop of aspiring immortals in a 'I don't get what the youth of today are doing these days' sort of way...

After all, weren't one of the Taoist immortals became immortal by riding a donkey backwards or something?
 
In World Apocalypse Online there are cultivators who are Buddhists, and they can fight against Tianma using sutras or something like that
 
Though that does make me imagine a narrative of wandering immortal cultivators who are actually following the ideals of Taoism think of the current crop of aspiring immortals in a 'I don't get what the youth of today are doing these days' sort of way...

After all, weren't one of the Taoist immortals became immortal by riding a donkey backwards or something?


It is worth pointing out that there's no actual guarantee any given cultivation method works.
For the vast majority, it's all apocryphal.
"Supposedly, someone somewhere became immortal by swinging a sword."

If any given method was a dead end, or they "ascended" and immediately got exterminated, how would anyone else know?

So I could imagine a world setting where some faction like the chaos demons deliberately propagate "false" paths as a long-term campaign to crush humanity.
Then you have a bunch of backwards donkey-riding traditionalists who are trying not to be killed by the rampaging lunatics until they can show the truth.
 
That said, there's definitely more standard xianxia with heavy separation between schools of thought, stuff where taoist and buddhist schools are actively incompatible and whatnot.
Offhand I remember Zhu Xian - the protagonist at the beginning of the story receives instructions from a dying Buddhist monk, but the learned techniques prevent him from effectively mastering Taoist practices (at least in the drama this is justified by the fact that Buddhists and Taoists use their powers differently - Buddhists rely on the strength of their spirit , in the same time as Taoists use natural elements).
In fact, I think this is the will of the author - you can use both syncretism and restrictions. Both approaches can be played out in a very interesting way.
 
Now I'm curious on a xianxia narrative where the schools of thought remained separate in the setting.
Zero did that, although it was based in Japan.

It follows the creation myth of Qin expedition fleet in search of immortality fruit to Japan, but the expedition fleet never returned. These people married the indigenous Japanese tribes to become Japanese as we know them. However their cultural history was explicitly Chinese.

There's even Confucian character talking about evangelization of Japanese Confucianism by Scholars from post-Han Chinese, which causes their reputation to tank. Bear in mind that Japanese in this period is far more egalitarian. (IIRC it was set in Heian period)

I think it even deals with rise of Buddhism as backstory, and even the burning of Kyoto as historic event.

It was technically a fanfic (it uses known anime characters as focus), but the world building is very unique to me because it was very rooted in history.
 
Other than what Tri said, I used exact same worldbuilding in my original.

The school of thoughts themselves survived... ish. There's still a lot of syncretism, and both Wuxing and Legalism still dead as independent school but they're absorbed by Daoism and Confucianism respectively, however Mohism DID survive, and absorb much of the School of Agriculture.

This would then be represented by the five great academies of China, aka, school of cultivation, expressly funded and supported by the Huaxia Empire
1. Northern Comet, close to Siberia, which represent Daoism (+Wuxing)
2. Central Peak, close to Mongolia, which represent Buddhism (note that Mahayana and Vajrayana Buddhist are explicitly separate here)
3. Western Front, represent Militarism
4. Southern School of Order, represent Confucianism (+Legalism)
5. Universal Love School, represent Mohism (+ Agriculturalism)

Each school have their philosophies and specialties, and people who are interested to learn those specialized skills enrolled to certain schools of choice.
 
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Now I'm curious on a xianxia narrative where the schools of thought remained separate in the setting.

Thought the other idea that's on my mind is a xianxia narrative where the schools of thought are based on modern Western philosophies like Absurdism...
There are quite a few, I just can't recall the titles off the top of my head right now. There's a genre called Confucian Taoism or something where people gain skills based on the school they follow and I've seen renditions of the Hundred schools a lot in those cases. And there's Legend of Qin, and there's like too many stories "inspired" by it. Legend of Qin in other dynasties. Spring and Autumn Chronicles of XXY School is a genre in itself. All these are usually found in the Alt History portion of webnovel sites and I think nobody translates that stuff.
 
I'm not generally particularly fond of "system" elements but an idea occurred to me of a story where the setting had "systems" not only exist but be functionally omnipresent, only to suddenly just... stop working. In my head I'm thinking the "mission tracking" and rewards still work the system has just stopped handing out any new missions or assigning any new rewards after the old ones are taken, because the idea that you can still get rewards you haven't gotten around to yet but you gotta treat them as extremely valuable because they're the last ones you'll get seems potentially narratively interesting.
 
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