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Xianxia Encompassing the World! (Xianxia Rec Discussion and Idea thread)

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Leingod said:
That same obsession with looking "dignified" is probably why wuxia fights tend not to involve grappling or ground fighting; it's also absent in wushu and demonstrations of traditional Chinese martial arts even though many of them are historically recorded as having techniques for both.
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It was also the reason behind these MMA vs Kungfu master "debunk"

These fake masters are all style and no substance. The real Masters have to pressure testing and spar all the time, to use the most optimal move at different circumstances.

Compare this to wuxia/xianxia's fondness for seclusion training. Which makes more sense when you treat Martial arts as spiritual training instead of purely physical and very limited by the mortal human strength.
 
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It is kind of frustrating when the MC is isolated, learns some move, then spends the next month "solidifying his foundation," alone, and declares that he can use it perfectly in battle.

Maybe he can execute it perfectly, but how would he know when to use it?

I would love to see one use some exotic move, then completely face-plant because his enemy took a step back.
 
It's a fairly common event in Nine Star Hegemon Body Arts, that even the lowest level member of the protagonist's army, the Dragonblood Legion, punch well above their weight because they've been following him through hellish battles for years and have a vast amount of practical combat experience. In contrast, most of their opponents are 'hothouse flowers' who have been trained carefully, given the best pills, plenty of cultivation time in good locations... and never actually faced real danger before.
 
Why the hell is Hua San always been the #1 choice for Murim protagonist sect lol.
Either Mount Hua or third faction aside from Righteous alliance or Demon sect.
(Said third faction is honestly often worse than the Demon sect)
 
I'm trying to find the page in martial memes but can't find it but it was

Yang physique
- Grants healthy body and high vitality
- Strong unmatched physique
- Struck awe on men and women alike

Yin physique
- short lifespan, lucky to get past 20
- frail body made of glass, always sick
- Everyone want to make you a cauldron

Then I remember why I wrote Jingyi the way she is lol. She still falls victim to point 3, but Taoist sex practice WAS often abused and therefore condemned by most of the main characters.
 
You're forgetting:
Yang physique
-Overflowing with yang energy requiring sex anytime they are alone with a beautiful woman.
-Purely for medical purposes of course.
-Not all because they are a horn-dog with no self-control.
-Totally a horn-dog with no self-control.

"It's not cheating if you have a Yang Physique!"
 
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Comrade Future said:
Are Taoist practices reminiscent of rape?
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kinglugia said:
Worse.
Grooming.
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Based on typical xianxia logic? Even if it's not rape it is often a very blatant objectification of women. As in, literally treating them as tools for cultivation.

That's why it is almost universally condemned by the MCs unless of course we get:
Blaflaix said:
-Overflowing with yang energy requiring sex anytime they are alone with a beautiful woman.
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Because "medical emergency" doesn't count :rolleyes:

(Or as I like to say, absolutely coward move by the authors. If you want two characters to fuck, have them fuck sober.)
 
Comrade Future said:
Are Taoist practices reminiscent of rape?
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Basically like this:
Dick into pussy
???
Free energy. Often one-sided and benefit men more than the women.
The only time I've heard it explicitly benefited women was in that one farming system story, with prostitutes climbing rapidly in cultivation.

ZeroXSEED said:
Because "medical emergency" doesn't count :rolleyes:
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For me it's the context and framing.
Very often it was treated as rape. With typical asking responsibilities or revenge murder bullshit and the male main character treating it as such.

Which very often lead to romance. Disgusting.

That's why I like it when this happen in Nanomachines and the MC absolutely disgusted with the process, but everyone accepted it as medical neccesity, no strings attached. This includes the MC's fiancee, because the patient was another woman.
 
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Comrade Future said:
Are Taoist practices reminiscent of rape?
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TriGayatri said:
Basically like this:
Dick into pussy
???
Free energy. Often one-sided and benefit men more than the women.
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The principle of Dao De Jing itself does encourage consensual sex
And the energy created is shared by both parties
This is GOOD Dao cultivation, often involving married couple

However, in Xianxia, the term "Plundering" was very explicit. The term human cauldron often objectify women. And consent are very much optional.
Very often it's done by male, though very few times committed by female character. (succubus allegory). The victim don't get benefit but instead become dry husk.
So it's literally rape vampirism.
 
ZeroXSEED said:
The principle of Dao De Jing itself does encourage consensual sex
And the energy created is shared by both parties
This is GOOD Dao cultivation, often involving married couple

However, in Xianxia, the term "Plundering" was very explicit. The term human cauldron often objectify women. And consent are very much optional.
Very often it's done by male, though very few times committed by female character. (succubus allegory). The victim don't get benefit but instead become dry husk.
So it's literally rape vampirism.
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This actually mirrors the steady degeneration of Taoist sexual practices into the exact same shit over the centuries IRL, BTW.

From Wikipedia:

According to Jolan Chang, in early Chinese history, women played a significant role in the Tao (道) of loving, and that the degeneration into subordinate roles came much later in Chinese history.[18] Women were also given a prominent place in the Ishinpō, with the tutor being a woman. One of the reasons women had a great deal of strength in the act of sex was that they walked away undiminished from the act. The woman had the power to bring forth life, and did not have to worry about ejaculation or refractory period. To quote Laozi from the Tao Te Ching: "The Spirit of the Valley is inexhaustible... Draw on it as you will, it never runs dry."[19]

Women also helped men extend their lives. Many of the ancient texts were dedicated explanations of how a man could use sex to extend his own life but, his life was extended only through the absorption of the woman's vital energies (jing and qi). Some Taoists came to call the act of sex "the battle of stealing and strengthening".[20]​ These sexual methods could be correlated with Taoist military methods. Instead of storming the gates, the battle was a series of feints and maneuvers that would sap the enemy's resistance.[21]​ Fang described this battle as "the ideal was for a man to 'defeat' the 'enemy' in the sexual 'battle' by keeping himself under complete control so as not to emit semen, while at the same time exciting the woman until she reached orgasm and shed her Yin essence, which was then absorbed by the man."[22]​

Jolan Chang points out that it was after the Tang dynasty (AD 618–906) that "the Tao of Loving" was "steadily corrupted", and that it was these later corruptions that reflected battle imagery and elements of a "vampire" mindset.[23]​ Other research into early Taoism found more harmonious attitudes of yin-yang communion.[24]​
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Some Ming dynasty Taoist sects believed that one way for men to achieve longevity or 'towards immortality' is by having intercourse with virgins, particularly young virgins. Taoist sexual books by Liangpi[26]​ and Sanfeng[27]​ call the female partner ding (鼎) and recommend sex with premenarche virgins.

Liangpi concludes that the ideal ding is a pre-menarche virgin just under 14 years of age and women older than 18 should be avoided.[28]​ Sanfeng went further and divided ding partners into three ranks of descending importance: premenarche virgins aged 14-16, menstruating virgins aged 16-20 and women aged 21-25.[29]​[30]​
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So it started out pretty consensual and mutual and more or less harmless, but as time went on, the thinking about it became completely male-centric and male-dominated, and the practice grew steadily more misogynistic and predatory.
 
ZeroXSEED said:
However, in Xianxia, the term "Plundering" was very explicit. The term human cauldron often objectify women. And consent are very much optional.
Very often it's done by male, though very few times committed by female character. (succubus allegory). The victim don't get benefit but instead become dry husk.
So it's literally rape vampirism.
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In a lot of stories, they spin this by having the Evil Demonic Cultivator kidnapping the love interest, then the MC rescuing her.
"Treatment" for aphrodisiacs being an optional outcome.

Then when they encounter the Female Succubus Demonic Cultivator, they "overcome" them with their overwhelming yang energy.
 
Entirely unrelated to the discussion, I kinda want to recommend something atm: Source & Soul: A Deckbuilding LitRPG.

It's not a xianxia, but I consider this more or less the general LitRPG thread, so I'm just gonna post it here.

The setting: is basically a world not unlike Yugioh, except that it's based on not-quite-Magic the Gathering instead. The rules are simplified, players are themselves a part of the card game, and there's a lot more to do with card rarities and the like. In terms of actual politics and whatnot it's a standard fantasy kingdom capital: there's a bad bit, there's Noble Houses, there's people of different races intermingling, there's preconceptions about good and evil etc. Familiar fare despite the cards, but I wouldn't call it bad by any means.

The protagonists: There's two. The first is Hull, who starts out the poorest of the poor and has to scrabble for every advantage, and is jaded and bitter as a result. The second is Basil, who starts out a bit of a noble fop and, while he also scrabbles for advantage, he doesn't have anywhere near as many consequences if he does fail. When they meet the results are.... anything except explosive. Surprisingly amicable, really. (They don't have any sexual interest in each other, unless I'm really misreading things.) Anyway, that sets plots in motion that'll lead both of them to surprising places eventually.

I'm recommending this because it's an absorbing read so far. Deckbuilding's an interesting little niche, too, and in contrast to the most famous exemplar (All the Skills), there's really been zero dragons so far. Which I consider a plus, I'm going to be honest. Also, the author goes to more emotionally complex lengths than you'd expect from your average RR fiction and while the beats resolve quicker than you'd get in most published books there's still a core there that's missing from most.

So yeah. I'd recommend it.

I've also been reading Intelligent Design, which is just outright popcorn about transforming into a bat monster after the apocalypse, exploring, and making friends with other ex-human monsters. Harder to write a lengthy review about this but still: good timewaster.
 
ZeroXSEED said:
Or as I like to say, absolutely coward move by the authors. If you want two characters to fuck, have them bang sober.
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I heard that in China the ratings are very strict and they won't let through anything that even remotely resembles pornography. Actually, "double cultivation" is often used as a metaphor for sex. I was surprised that all such practices are depicted as rape.


ZeroXSEED said:
As in, literally treating them as tools for cultivation.
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As far as I know, there is a typical pattern here - a certain character (usually a woman, but rarely a child or even a young man) has some power, which is why he often becomes an instrument of other people's interests. The main character wins their affection by perceiving them as people (or the author tries to convince us of this).


ZeroXSEED said:
Yin physique
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In fact, it sounds like a misconception - in Wuxia, Yin specialists are often found (this can be either a woman or a man who looks like a woman) and they are very deadly. There are cases when factions that emphasize Yin are portrayed as evil, but this is also misconception
 
Comrade Future said:
In fact, it sounds like a misconception - in Wuxia, Yin specialists are often found
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In Xianxia they won't bother mentioning it unless they have an "Extreme Yin Physique" which is often depicted as being lethal unless they can get some powerful source of yang to balance it out.
That might be a pill or herb, or a cultivation technique, or an MC.

If someone just uses yin techniques, they won't even mention it as being special.
"They use ice and wind and yin techniques."
 
Comrade Future said:
In fact, it sounds like a misconception - in Wuxia, Yin specialists are often found (this can be either a woman or a man who looks like a woman) and they are very deadly. There are cases when factions that emphasize Yin are portrayed as evil, but this is also misconception
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You misunderstood Yin body means they're born with talent to absorb Yin Qi significantly faster, like twice as fast. Yang physics are the opposite.
Fiction aka Xianxia stories often shows Extreme Yin body as something even more tremendous but with lethal side effect I've mentioned. SOMETIMES they made Supreme Yang physics, which is their counterpart, to have similar problem, but this is a lot rarer. One of such example is [The peak of true martial arts] where the Supreme Yang MC was literally dying from fever in his youth.

So what you describe is correct.... AFTER these women find out the way to deal with side effect, they became gigantic powerhouses. Before that, they're literally destined to die and that's my problem and complain. There was clear trend of double standard. Nevermind that Yang male - Yin female itself is stupid concept and anti-Dao (true Dao is about universality and Wuxing is the polar opposite, as it box people into certain restriction).
 
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What annoys me is that the so-called MCs with True Yang Body and whatnot still look like pale-skinned jade fuckers with a slender body. Come on, stop being cowards and show us real muscular men!
 
kinglugia said:
What annoys me is that the so-called MCs with True Yang Body and whatnot still look like pale-skinned jade fuckers with a slender body. Come on, stop being cowards and show us real muscular men!
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I don't have a Yang physique male MC but well


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HRZmQMSp0M

When this show up on my feed I was like "Well, that's exactly how I imagine Xuan Lian" (a major female character in my story, not the MC, but also have Supreme Yang body)
The funnier, most ironic part is of course the fact that Nen Master use gentle fist and fight not with her physical strength but inner Qi (Nen). Think the Hyuuga Clan of Naruto.
 
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