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Xander [Quest], Thread Seven: Cops and G-Men and Parents, Oh My!

Didn't know about that post from Judge. I have mixed feelings about it.

On one hand I was disappointed Herakles was insane, so that's a relief.

On the other hand there's no way Berserker from Kenishi could keep up with Altria blow for blow. He could be her better in technique but he wouldn't be able to match her enhancement.
 
arrepio said:
Didn't know about that post from Judge. I have mixed feelings about it.

On one hand I was disappointed Herakles was insane, so that's a relief.

On the other hand there's no way Berserker from Kenishi could keep up with Altria blow for blow. He could be her better in technique but he wouldn't be able to match her enhancement.
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KI works differently in this quest then it does in Kenichi. Which is why he could keep up.
 
arrepio said:
On the other hand there's no way Berserker from Kenishi could keep up with Altria blow for blow. He could be her better in technique but he wouldn't be able to match her enhancement.
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He's not better at her in technique. The whole point of Berserker was that he had too much raw talent for his own good and a ridiculously unfair battle instinct.

Turns out he got someone who had more raw power than him, had a much more unfair instinct ratting than him and was a passable enough fighter to not suck on principle.

The hard part was Altria trying to defeat him without injurying him too much.
 
Nightblade said:
Altra also cheats by having a dragon in her.
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Well, we also cheat by having a Beast in us.
And traces of the Triforce of Power, and Ganondorf Dragmire slipping us cheats whenever he can.
(I mean, as said, our Maximum Power was something we invented a day before fighitng Altria - and we still managed to keep up with her; that's impressive as hell)
arrepio said:
Didn't know about that post from Judge. I have mixed feelings about it.

On one hand I was disappointed Herakles was insane, so that's a relief.

On the other hand there's no way Berserker from Kenishi could keep up with Altria blow for blow. He could be her better in technique but he wouldn't be able to match her enhancement.
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To be fair, this isn't Altria with all Nasuverse stuff.
Just like Lu-sensei isn't Lu Tze.
They're just expies, scaled down to fit within the setting of Buffy.

We're not going to have the Holy Grail War happening, I think. :p
 
arrepio said:
On the other hand there's no way Berserker from Kenishi could keep up with Altria blow for blow. He could be her better in technique but he wouldn't be able to match her enhancement.
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Remember other then the end half of her fight with Medaka and her entire fight with Alex Altria was holding back on her enhancement.

Once she stopped holding back on Berserker she finished him in a single charge.
 
Krain said:
Well, we also cheat by having a Beast in us.
And traces of the Triforce of Power, and Ganondorf Dragmire slipping us cheats whenever he can.
(I mean, as said, our Maximum Power was something we invented a day before fighitng Altria - and we still managed to keep up with her; that's impressive as hell)
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We sure as hell were lucky. Maybe this year Lu-sensei will start to train Alex in Ki manipulation more intensely?

I'd just want to know, what having Ganon inside us help precisely? Altria probably have her Prana Reactor and the Instinct as a bonus, but what about Alex?
Krain said:
To be fair, this isn't Altria with all Nasuverse stuff.
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This one have an actual personality :D
Krain said:
Just like Lu-sensei isn't Lu Tze.
They're just expies, scaled down to fit within the setting of Buffy.

We're not going to have the Holy Grail War happening, I think. :p
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I'm afraid to say that other than NP they need to be scaled up to Buffy. Specially if that abortion of comic book plot will be even remotely referenced.

Guess Joss Whedon got too distracted by his necrophiliac lesbian show to know what the hell he was signing up on later seasons. At the very least, he didn't told then no.
 
UberJJK said:
Um no. I don't remember anyone in Buffy having a fight while running up a skyscraper. Not to mention some of the crazy calcs like Saber moving to block an arrow at march 11.
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Firstly the arrow was explicitly stated to fly at match 3, secondly there is the comic book plot where the slayer spirit gave bullshit levels of superpower.
 
ryuan said:
I'd just want to know, what having Ganon inside us help precisely? Altria probably have her Prana Reactor and the Instinct as a bonus, but what about Alex?
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Altria got a prana reactor and magic resistance from the Dragon. Her magic resistance even scaled down should be strong enough that only a master sorcerer should be able to do anything more than inconvenience her. Her instinct is her own.

I'm assuming that what Alex got from the Triforce was the ability to use any power in existence; and increase its power faster then normal.
 
ryuan said:
Firstly the arrow was explicitly stated to fly at match 3, secondly there is the comic book plot where the slayer spirit gave bullshit levels of superpower.
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I was referring to the calcs that I've seen brandied around that to block the arrow Saber would have had to move at Mach 11.

I'd ask for descriptions of what happened in the comics, I've avoided them due to their horribad reputation, but I agree with darthdavid on avoiding power level debates so lets just say that characters are exactly as strong as they are shown to be in the quest.
 
ryuan said:
We sure as hell were lucky. Maybe this year Lu-sensei will start to train Alex in Ki manipulation more intensely?
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With divination and ki sight, our training with Lu-sensei should improve.
Hell, it should with all of our friends - we've basically got a way to cheat our way into better knowledge concerning ki.
I'd just want to know, what having Ganon inside us help precisely? Altria probably have her Prana Reactor and the Instinct as a bonus, but what about Alex?
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We get our Totem, that can match the Dragon of Altria (so there's got to be plenty of stuff on offer).
It's also a defense against someone being in our mind.

Other than that...well, it's Ganon.
He's all about Power - we just haven't explored that very much just yet.
I'm willing to bet he holds some traces of the Triforce within him, traces of it which we can't access.

(I'd be willing to be that, if we could subvert Ganondorf Dragmire - make him see us as 'tribe' rather than 'enemy', and get him to not see us as a tool, instead treating us as he did at the start with his fellow Gerudo... we could probably get more from the Beast.)
This one have an actual personality :D
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Heh.
And there also won't be any Shirou around, so there's more of her personality that can come about!
Looking forward to when we start the Reincarnation Club.
I'm afraid to say that other than NP they need to be scaled up to Buffy. Specially if that abortion of comic book plot will be even remotely referenced.

Guess Joss Whedon got too distracted by his necrophiliac lesbian show to know what the hell he was signing up on later seasons. At the very least, he didn't told then no.
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Aren't Servants supposed to be insanely strong and fast?
Like, moving and reacting at mach speeds?[/quote]
 
Nightblade said:
Actually Alratan Altra is weaker than us. All of her impressive feats of strength are her aura. She might be more skilled then us but I doubt its by much.
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I suspect that in pure combat she's a lot better than us. She's a weapon user denied the use of her weapons in the tournament. There's also pretty much no real meaning as to whether her strength comes from her aura or from her muscles. The bruises they cause would hurt exactly the same.
Nightblade said:
Also your the guy that said that heart containers gave a temporary heal. That makes me less incline to trust what you say as being true.
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They do give us a temporary heal. In Zelda heart containers heal you up to full and add one to your maximum health. People were arguing that we should use the heart container as we're currently injured and need to be back in shape by the time we return to the hotel, despite us having Briar and her full heals right next to us. Choosing on that basis would be dreadful misprioritisation.
 
Alratan said:
I suspect that in pure combat she's a lot better than us. She's a weapon user denied the use of her weapons in the tournament. There's also pretty much no real meaning as to whether her strength comes from her aura or from her muscles. The bruises they cause would hurt exactly the same.



They do give us a temporary heal. In Zelda heart containers heal you up to full and add one to your maximum health. People were arguing that we should use the heart container as we're currently injured and need to be back in shape by the time we return to the hotel, despite us having Briar and her full heals right next to us. Choosing on that basis would be dreadful misprioritisation.
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I want it to get more health.
 
Nightblade said:
I want it to get more health.
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I'd prefer not to get hurt in the first place. I think we should apply a more generalised version of Patton's maxim, our job isn't to die for our cause, it's to make some other poor bastard die for his.
 
Alratan said:
I'd prefer not to get hurt in the first place. I think we should apply a more generalised version of Patton's maxim, our job isn't to die for our cause, it's to make some other poor bastard die for his.
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And yet tanks have tick armor platting and soldiers use body armor and helmets.

I think you got lost in your quote somewhere.
 
Alratan said:
I'd prefer not to get hurt in the first place. I think we should apply a more generalised version of Patton's maxim, our job isn't to die for our cause, it's to make some other poor bastard die for his.
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Dude were going to get hurt whether we want it or not unless we somehow make ourselves invulnerable.
 
earth-destroyer said:
I feel the strongest point in favor of using it as a heart container, is that is what Link uses them for. And considering his record I think copying him is a good idea.
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Link also has the favour of a different goddess to us, no teachers, and is in an enormous hurry to maximise his short turn returns. Our situation is quite different.

I think we need to follow his example in spirit, rather than slavisly follow the details. That is to play to our strengths, as he does may making it harder and harder to put him down, and build up the breadth and depth of our powers.
ryuan said:
And yet tanks have tick armor platting and soldiers use body armor and helmets.

I think you got lost in your quote somewhere.
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Tanks and body armour are great. However, neither allow you to sit there and take hits from peer opponents for long.

In any case, that's not the point of the quote, or why I misquoted it. The best defence is rapid victory, of having defeated your enemy before they get the chance to attack you repeatedly.
 
Alratan said:
Link also has the favour of a different goddess to us, no teachers, and is in an enormous hurry to maximise his short turn returns. Our situation is quite different.

I think we need to follow his example in spirit, rather than slavisly follow the details. That is to play to our strengths, as he does may making it harder and harder to put him down, and build up the breadth and depth of our powers.
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Alratan more health is always useful.
 
Nightblade said:
Alratan more health is always useful.
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It's useful, that's not in dispute. The question is whether it's as useful as the other options. There are three sides to this:

Many of the attacks we faced against the sorcerer would have instantly killed us if they'd hit us dead on, whether or not we were a third more resilient. They'd have killed a bull, or one, a elephant. Many attacks are such over-kill against us that health doesn't help. This will be particularly important if we face enemies with weapons, particularly modern weapons.

The second is that the abilities we gain from the heart may significant;y reduce the amount of harm we take, either by allowing us to avoid getting hit in the first place, making us resistant or immune to the damage, or by allowing us to take down the enemy before they make an attack that would otherwise have harmed us.

We can also recover health very easily using our magical abilities in downtime, and have very good in-combat healing. That reduces the value of increasing our health cap, as in attritional battles, which are the main thing a higher health cap helps with, the main limiting factor we seem to have is mana rather than health. Using the heart to gain an ability may well help to deal with this limiting step, particularly if an innate fire ability allows us to use ki based fire attacks.
 
iamnuff said:
[X] Heart of Fire. You're sure that Altria will be so jealous like it.

healing is easy.

Briar can heal us to full in one go, but these fire powers are probably never going to pop up again.

once in a lifetime chance here.

I mean, sure, healing us will (hopefully) give us more max HP, which is cool, but fire-powers!

Also, apparantly, Din will like us having fire powers.


we get the fire one, then we give the other one to Din.
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The healing is a side effect. It gives you more hp and then fills your max. Which has the side effect of fully healing you.
 
GamingGeek said:
While you make good points about putting down the enemy before he does damage to you, let's face facts.

This thing'll boost us by a third of our total health. And we're just starting out.
We'll get chances to upgrade our skills later, but we have to survive to use those skills. And right now? Most things are way out of our power range. We're winning due to them not taking us seriously. This last fight? He did, and we almost lost. ((Likely would have lost had the GM not been nice))

More health please this time. We can power up skills later.
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A third extra HP wouldn't have helped us here. A direct hit from any of his attacks would have taken us down whether we had a third or three times more HP. He tried to give us a lava bath. Similarly if someone sticks a sword through our heart or shoots us in the head. It's very easy to do far more damage to the human body than is needed to kill it.

If, as you say, most things are out of our league, more HP doesn't actually help us. Being dead three times over rather than five doesn't help us. We're still dead. What we need is abilities to allow us to level the playing field by attacking where our enemies are weak or we can negate their strengths.

We can also learn to reinforce our body and make ourselves more resilient much more easily than we can learn to upgrade our magical abilities. In Lu-sensei we have a ki master to teach us, but we have no magic teacher. This may also be our only chance to be able to innately create fire so we can use fire based ki attacks.
 
EVA-Saiyajin said:
It's kind of sad that despite learning so much, any idiot with a gun will still be a threat.
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Bullet Shield


Now admittedly it's an active protection so Alex has to cast it first but it's cheap since it's a 2nd circle spell and lasts ages; 10 minutes per level which with his current level of abjuration is ~100 minutes.
 
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