Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
I'm not sure contingencies are viable fluffwise considering what happens to Ganondorf. No way in hell Link should be winning against the brokenness of contingencies.Alratan said:
Xander [Quest], Thread Seven: Cops and G-Men and Parents, Oh My!
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Mm. I think it's more a combination of Link having diving artifacts that cut through most of Ganondorf's defenses and Ganondorf having a really high rating of Warrior Born.Aranfan said:
I mean really, half the time he seems to take up a sword and duel with Link even though he would probably be better suited using his magic. He also is way too bullheaded to change course when he decides to do something.
Contingency. They're an absolutely basic part of being a caster if you want to avoid being sniped or scry-and-die-ed.Nightblade said:
Didn't know that. I thought you were talking about planing for everything bad thing that could happen to us.Alratan said:
[X] Heart Container. Be HEALED!
Unless Briar's healing is better than I think, we're not going to be looking good for Dad unless we take this option.
Unless Briar's healing is better than I think, we're not going to be looking good for Dad unless we take this option.
...drake_azathoth said:
Briar's healing dust is a complete and perfect return to 100% heal. You can't get better.
The heart container should be able to do that as well.UberJJK said:
Wasn't there a limitation on how many times a day she can use that on a person or something?UberJJK said:
Technically that would be 133% however that's not really healing so much as it's a heal to 100% plus an increase in health.earth-destroyer said:
Yes. She has 2 uses. She hasn't any yet.drake_azathoth said:
We're not going to look that hot either way unless you have a handy dandy spell to fix our clothes?drake_azathoth said:
Voting for:
[X] Heart of Fire.
As has been pointed out THERE WILL BE OTHER HEARTS. However I get the feeling that fire attuned hearts are probably rather rare. We can wait until we acquire another with attributes we aren't interested in acquiring to boost our health.
Also, as has been pointed out if we work with our Ki we can improve our health and toughness most likely. Heck, why don't we ask Lu-sensei for some exercises that work on that and our stamina when we get back?
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
8 heart containers usually. I do believe there is a potion that heals completely.UberJJK said:
I'm pretty sure that's the WORST option. Not only is it likely a one shot use but you want to summon a beast that was the summon of a mage who was our enemy and which we sent back to wherever it's from with a good trouncing.Blackmane said:
You expect it to serve us instead of biting us in half?
Also, people please stop using the strawman that we're a wimp by comparing us to people that have absurd advantages on us like be several times our age or having the soul of a fucking DRAGON to argue for using the heart for health. There are other ways to get health than wasting a possibly one time only powerup like the heart of fire possibly is.
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
Master Sword in Twilight Princess and Windwaker.XenonPrime said:
Being a glass cannon should be looked at as a massive victory. At least then we'd be a cannon. That's what comes of being human in a world where potential enemies can be made out of solid stone or metal rather than weak flesh, as we are. Fire Heart isn the opposite of a shiny. It's a solid addition to our portfolio of abilities and builds on our main strength, which is our versatility. The Heart Container is the shiny. Being, relatively, made of pottery rather than glass doesn't matter when you're facing people with sledgehammers. You get broken either way.tenchifew said:
tl;dr: Tougher only matters when you're not being overkilled anyway. Given what we've seen of the opposition, over-kill is the name of the game, so most of the time it's not useful. In those situations it would be, our limiting factor tends to be fuel for our abilities, not our health.
Simply having fractionally more resilient flesh just doesn't stack up compared to the defensive options that the fire abilities may open up.
We can rely on ki, magical healing, and Briar for minor damage that doesn't splatter us in a blow but would wear us down.
I wish people would stop saying that when it's obviously wrong. Yes we almost died to a single strike form a Sorcerer 5 times our age. I dare you to find a healthy adult who can't put an 8 year old on the ground with a single punch.tenchifew said:
Remember Alex is a child. A very young child. A child who receives a full rank and half debuff on all his stats when fighting an adult.
Against him we had
Combat = E++ = A barely competent fighter.
Magical = E++ = A barely competent practitioner
Mental = F++ = Dumb as a rock
Physical = E+++ = less then average physically capable for our age
Social = E+++
Spiritual = E+++
Alex handled a full on slugging match with a Dragon Knight he is not a glass canon. For his age.
That was Ganondorf, not Ganon - at least for Wind Waker.Aranfan said:
On top of that, even if we had vastly more 'health', we'd still have been dead if he'd succeeded in giving us a lava bath.UberJJK said:
The abilities we'd gain from the heart, depending on what they are, might make us relatively much more resistant to the attacks he used, so actually have been relevant in this battle.
I'm saying the medium term options are, essentially, being a glass cannon or being a marginally tougher glass anti-material rifle. We're facing enemies that can be made of solid stone or metal. I'd say our active attacks and defences are always going to massively outweigh our passive defences.tenchifew said:
What are these hit points of which you speak? They're simply an abstraction. Remember that Tara, a quote decent 'level' witch, died from a low calibre bullet to the chest, and Buffy died from a fall that even normal humans could have survived. Fire abilities make great defences against many kinds of attacks - that's why dedicated elemantalists (which I'm not suggesting we be) are viable.tenchifew said:
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
Unless you plan to be having a lot of fights on active volcanoes, this seems like it's fighting the last war rather than the threats we are actually likely to face in the future.Alratan said:
One of the nice things about fire is that it's the element that it's by very, very, far the easiest to make more of. We're a wizard. Shaping our environment to our advantage is what we should do, as we did with the Illusory Wall. Fire powers make that much simpler.Aranfan said:
Fire is also one of the real go to attack forms for magic users. It's one of the most obvious destructive forms of magic.
Remember that we're rare in having such versatile magic. Most local magic users are two or three trick ponies, with limited abilities in their field of speciality. Unlike us, they can't just eqsily switch attack modes if one proves ineffective.
That's true for just about any upgrade we get. The less likely we are to get hurt the more relative benefit we get from each 'unit' of healing we receive from Briar. In particular, given the all or nothing nature of Briar's full heal, abilities that allow us to avoid damage entirely are more useful than ones that give us a higher total, as in the first case we don't need healing at all and she can help other people, and in the second, unlike the suggestion above, we still need her healing - as we do now, when we'd still need her assistance whether or not we had a third more hit points.earth-destroyer said:
I would suggest re-reading pretty much every fight Alex has ever had.earth-destroyer said:
Speed is something he focuses on a lot. I don't think Alex has gone a fight without applying Haste and Ki boosted speed. Even under the Physical Prowess skill Alex's speed is rated higher then his strength.
I think this is where we diverge. Judge has been very explicit that he's not using Pathfinder rules for this quest, even loosely. He's specifically using the spell list as a general guideline for the kinds of things we're capable of at each level of spells, expressed in descriptive rather than mechanical terms.tenchifew said:
That's not quite what Judge described the Heart as doing, when he described it.tenchifew said:
That's... well, if it's true it's a disaster that has to be rectified. Fortunately, I don't think it is. Between the mobility opportunities granted by Body Flicker + Mental Haste + Flight, we should be able to run rings around most enemies.earth-destroyer said:
Being slow isn't an option against the calibre of opponents who can fling lava around. It's not something you can sit there and tank. Indeed, with modern weaponry, there's an awful lot of things that we can't sit there and tank, unless Judge were to let us be basically completely immune to virtually all lesser sources of physical damage, which would include the unarmed blows of even really quite superhuman opponents. Even the Judge, a legendarily tough by Buffy-verse standards demon, which is what our abilities are scaled to, was taken out by an anti-tank missile (which, although it's a bit of an apples to oranges comparison, doesn't seem too far out of the league of damage that lava immersion would do).
Some things, you just have to dodge.
No he's probably dead. We hit him with the spell before he was teleported out.
No he's probably dead. We hit him with the spell before he was teleported out.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
[x] Heart of Fire. You're sure that Altria will be so jealous like it.
- [x] Get Briar to heal us, we had lava chucked at us and lava is hot
- [x] Get Briar to heal us, we had lava chucked at us and lava is hot