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Wormverse ideas, recs, and fic discussion thread 1

Valmond said:
Amy was screwed from the word go.
First by her biological parents, then her adoptive parents, then her sisters aura, then by Tattletale, then by Slaughterhouse 9...
It's amazing she managed as long as shedid, and not just go and try to end the world with her powers.
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She was involved in nearly ending the world in ward.
 
The-Fall-Guy said:
Oh Lord help me I have a terrible idea.

Tinker Taylor that makes Doofenshmirtz's Inators.

And a compulsive need to add self-destruct buttons on every device.
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No, that is the best idea.

Also there's a fix buried in here somewhere where Doof and Perry get dropped into Earth Bet by one of his many inators, it was short but hilarious.
 
A interesting but probably doomed to fail fic in my head is a crossover where, when Taylor triggers, 4 humans are dragged from other earth's and given insect themed superheros powers.

1 is a comic-nerd/team joker/team's source of superhero knowledge given spiderman's powers, plus the web generation l.

2 is the team mom who has been given the powers (and the muscular build) of the Tick, and has no idea how to use them.

3 is an engineer that has the Scarab from the blue beetle stuck to her back and proceeds to make a mockery of tinkers while dealing with a semi-homicidal ai in her head.

4 is very angry short person who has the powers of antman/wasp, who desperately desperately wants to put all the Nazi's 10 feet or more underground.

And Taylor has to make sure they don't kill each other first.
 
ninjafish said:
As of ward that screwed her because her shard hated her for that and actively fucked with her and made her already titanic mental issues even worse.
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Which is, frankly, based on some rather useless and needlessly complicating Word of God about Uber's shard, which didn't come up in regards to Amy at all during Worm or before Worm but was seized on ex post facto.

Like seriously most of what Wildbow's said about Shards has made things less coherent, not more so.

ninjafish said:
Ward happened.
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Ward isn't something that actually happened. It's a story. Canon is what you make of it. Ward happened for SwiftRosenthal if SwiftRosenthal wanted it to happen, and not otherwise.
 
More on Para Puella (my Madoka/Worm idea), I had the thought that Madoka could trigger with Walpurgis-lite powers, however I feel just having a nightmare about an Endbringer/Witch would be a weak excuse for getting similar, if toned down, powers to them, and another problem is that it's pretty vague what exactly Walpurgisnacht's powers are, beyond 'world destruction', or er 'stages and clowns'.

So I thought either Madoka's Shard would grant powers related into nightmares, as maybe a way to bring surreal landscapes in now that we wouldn't have Witch Barriers, plus I like how it otherwise contrasts with her character. Either that or I could just let players vote on what power Madoka gets, since I've brought this up in the Quest Idea thread.
 
SecondRedux said:
I love how people who haven't read Ward actually think their opinions matter. Hilarious.
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I did try, I got several chapters in - but my tolerance for emo bullshit, dystopian horseshit, and torture-porn chickenshit is at a very low ebb at this point in my life. Perhaps if I were still eighteen and in the thankfully brief woe-is-me-hey-Dad's-shotguns-are-right-there stage of my life Ward would appeal, but I'm not.
 
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ToothMaker said:
I did try, I got several chapters in - but my tolerance for emo bullshit, dystopian horseshit, and torture-porn chickenshit is at a very low ebb at this point in my life. Perhaps if I were still eighteen and in the thankfully brief woe-is-me-hey-Dad's-shotguns-are-right-there stage of my life Ward would appeal, but I'm not.
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Ah that's real interesting, but I don't remember asking.

Boom, roasted.
 
Night said:
Like seriously most of what Wildbow's said about Shards has made things less coherent, not more so.
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It's only really confusing for people who don't want it to make sense because that justifies another reason for not liking Ward. Like, "Alien parasites that like it when you're violent" is a core concept in Worm, but because Ward says it explicitly it's now "incoherent".
 
I understand Ward apparently touches a nerve, but I still think you all are being extremely sensitive. It's still going to be talked about on this chat, so don't pretend it doesn't exist. Or you can, but don't cut in with swarmy, hostile remarks please. This is primarily a fan fiction chat, not necessarily a review chat.

Are we good? Then let's put this unpleasantness behind us. Thank you.
 
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Pretty sure this current unpleasantness started with people getting insulting about people who don't like Ward, and not the other way around, unless i missed something before that.

I have not read Ward, nothing so far that the people who have read Ward, and liked it, have given me any reason to want to do so, quite the opposite.
But i have no problem with people liking Ward, as long as they don't start getting insulting at people who don't.
 
TreeFrogSoup said:
It's only really confusing for people who don't want it to make sense because that justifies another reason for not liking Ward. Like, "Alien parasites that like it when you're violent" is a core concept in Worm, but because Ward says it explicitly it's now "incoherent".
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See this would be a valid response except for the fact my statement encompasses all of Worm too going back to our good old deutrocanonical conflict drive which wasn't ever necessary to explain the interactions of the characters instead of them all just being broken people by the circumstances and nature of their triggers, but we got told it was a thing anyway, though it added nothing beyond wordcount to Wildbow's posts and introduced plotholes as further stuff that also did not lend the story coherence had to be said about how only Cauldron capes were free of it and capable of cooperating despite the obvious examples against this.

So maybe you should have just noticed the ever in that sentence and the title of this thread and realized this is a longstanding issue rather than tried to defend the sullied honor of Ward. I was referencing Uber and Leet for chrissakes, they ain't a big deal in Ward, that might have tipped you off?
 
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Night said:
See this would be a valid response except for the fact my statement encompasses all of Worm too going back to our good old deutrocanonical conflict drive which wasn't ever necessary to explain the interactions of the characters instead of them all just being broken people by the circumstances and nature of their triggers, but we got told it was a thing anyway, though it added nothing beyond wordcount to Wildbow's posts and introduced plotholes as further stuff that also did not lend the story coherence had to be said about how only Cauldron capes were free of it and capable of cooperating despite the obvious examples against this.
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"I don't think it was necessary" isn't a plot hole.
 
Except that the conflict drive is an explicit part of Worm itself and is referenced several times by the characters. The WoG about it is that Cauldron capes, as a whole, are less likely to go off the deep end or cause problems than natural triggers.
 
TreeFrogSoup said:
"I don't think it was necessary" isn't a plot hole.
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If that was what I was saying, you might have a point, but it's not. When your explanations are unnecessary and mandate further explanations, that is a plothole. If you have to explain your explanations you have definitionally failed. If those don't work, you have failed twice.

There is a saying about the author shutting up when the work if speaking. It exists for a reason.
 
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Lokimotion said:
Except that the conflict drive is an explicit part of Worm itself and is referenced several times by the characters. The WoG about it is that Cauldron capes, as a whole, are less likely to go off the deep end or cause problems than natural triggers.
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Well, the early WOG from Worm and early Wildbow Weaverdice campaigns is that Cauldron and Eden Capes tend to have problems physically and Scion capes mentally. Leet's Shard sabotaging him with fucky tech, Case 53's (though that's caused by Cauldron trial & erroring powers), Eidolon's shard drain, and even examples like Ballistic & Sundancer's high lethality powers, or that WD Lausanne Cauldron cape who could only use their power 3 times a day.
 
A thought experiment. With a hypothetically not-totally-evil person with Coil's power, how effective would allowing yourself to get captured to convince the villain to monologue before he kills you be? There are variations in this, ranging from the full ham "don't you want to float about your whole evil plan?" to more subtle "at least tell me one thing" to simply seeing what they bring up in front of a doomed prisoner.

What might work best, and just how much might one learn if the speaker thought they'd be killing you off before you could tell?

We see a lot of fanfic with Coil torturing somebody in one timeline and then ditching it to test the intel without them knowing they'd been tortured. Does the reverse work at all, particularly for a character who isn't willing to torture even in a throwaway timeline due to not seeing it as "okay?"
 
Kinda depends on the time constraints.
Do you have the time it takes to get captured, be monologued at, and then get back to a safe point and move from there?
Possibly if you are already acting, it might work to have one of you captured, while another is staying stealthy.
Coil's power is somewhat, overplayed, i think.
It's really powerful for what it does, but it only works well when you ar in control of timing, once you are forced to react to other people in real time, it starts to loose effectiveness fast.
Good for shadowy mastermind who can decide between do/don't, but once you have to act, and can't limit options to 2 possibilities, you start to get screwed.
 
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