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Wormverse ideas, recs, and fic discussion thread 1

I mean they only killed God after he spent thirty years in a depression fueled life saving spree in search of meaning after his partner died.

I mean, that's a very oversimplified summary but then again that's how you make things seem silly.
 
Thankfully, any plan that beats a non idiot Scion beats an idiot Scion as well. And as Cauldron, you pretty much have to assume that Scion isn't an idiot (and be wrong about it, but how would you know?).
 
Evonix said:
Taylor Varga was the big offender but that Worm/MLP fic also had a touch, I think I saw it in other places too.
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What happened in those stories?

Evonix said:
For a start I would have seriosly considered that Zion, as the source of powers, would have some system to prevent them being used against him. I would have catalogued and cross-referenced all known capes for possible exsplore let combinations. I would have put more effort into finding weaknesses instead of making powers. And most importantly I would have gotten more people, especially someone more cut out for the leader job than me, just because I ended up in that situation somehow doesn't mean someone else couldn't do it better.

Also look for options other than killing him, diplomacy, mind control, trapping him, if you can take just one of his shards out his ability to dimension hop freely would be good.
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We do not know what Cauldron tried since we only really see their plans in a few parts of the story. We know what they planned when they first formed, We don't really know what they planned after wards.


Diplomacy is unlikely to work. Cauldron knows that he isn't human (contessa got knowledge of edens plans along with the shard). They don't really have anything to offer him.

You can't take out his ability to travel dimensions. It's almost certainly something like a core feature that every shard has access too.
Also they can't exactly get to his real body, due to it being blocked off.
 
TheDivineDemon said:
You ever start planning on a fic realize that a character fits a role you need/want filled and go "But I don't like this guy!"?


Also, do you guys have any Characters were in more fics? For me it's Lily/Foil, Charlotte, Forrest, and Taylor's Grandma.
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Chevalier, any of the Chicago Wards, Theo, the Travelers in general, any of the various minor Protectorate heroes like Hoyden, Jouster, Revel, Arbiter, etc, and yeah, the minor unpowered characters like Taylors Minions.
 
Graypairofsocks said:
You can't take out his ability to travel dimensions. It's almost certainly something like a core feature that every shard has access too.
Also they can't exactly get to his real body, due to it being blocked off.
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These are both kind of iffy because they have access to everything Eden did, at least in theory. This would include the dimensional blocking off ability and all her dimensional travel variants, plus her own versions of Flechette/Foil's shard which is noted to be an expressly anti-entity weapon, one they developed for hurting each other, and one of several methods of doing such.
 
I'm surprised Cauldron didn't focus exclusively on creating Tinkers. They have the most flexibility, and greatest ability to synergize of any type of cape. IIRC Hero even had access to Scion's stilling beam, among other things.

Another avenue would have been brain manipulation. Any shard can become an S-class threat with its training wheels taken off. If they'd spent more time experimenting with the brain interface they could have had an army of psuedo-endbringers rather than a bunch of street level chumps.
 
Path to Victory appeared to not be infallible when it came to getting specific powers out of Eden's corpse. I dunno, maybe its a side effect of Eden tweaking it to not work on Entities.
 
Matou Sutegobana said:
Path to Victory appeared to not be infallible when it came to getting specific powers out of Eden's corpse. I dunno, maybe its a side effect of Eden tweaking it to not work on Entities.
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But still, grabbing all the tinkers, social-fuing them into working together, is a very good and useful thing to do.

I can't believe I'm on this thread again.
 
Night said:
They are willing to do so much to end Scion that the world ending immediately after Scion dies becomes a very real possibility, or even a slow, torturous death of a vastly reduced humanity.
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Not really. Scion was going to destroy all the earths, Cauldron was completely fine with letting everyone on Earth Bet, Aleph, and every other one mentioned die in exchange for the vast majority of humanity to survive. Once Scion is dead their job is over, most universes will never even notice.
 
Puzzle said:
Not really. Scion was going to destroy all the earths, Cauldron was completely fine with letting everyone on Earth Bet, Aleph, and every other one mentioned die in exchange for the vast majority of humanity to survive. Once Scion is dead their job is over, most universes will never even notice.
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This is of extremely doubtful comfort to anyone who happened to live on Aleph, Bet, or others mentioned.
 
Night said:
This is of extremely doubtful comfort to anyone who happened to live on Aleph, Bet, or others mentioned.
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The world ending immediately after Scion is destroyed how, though? The Endbringers are a long-term problem. A disaster, yes, but they aren't going to immediately destroy the world, and considering the existence of different dimensions, honestly they wouldn't be as big of a threat as one might think.

I mean, for the human race as a whole. They're horrible and practically unbeatable, yes.
 
The Laurent said:
The world ending immediately after Scion is destroyed how, though?
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Well, canonically Glastig Ulaine decided she was gonna try her hand at human genocide right before Yamada talked her out of it, and being by far the most powerful person in the world immediately after the Golden Morning, she probably would have succeeded.

The other thing that has to be remembered is that the Golden Morning doesn't have to play out well because Cauldron has no means to predict the course of the battle, and no way to put a finger on the scales like they normally do. They're so used to being able to do both, as well, that this could really bite them. They think if they do it early the result will be better...but it's a lowercase t, not an uppercase one. There is no real certainty of success. If the story ended with Khepri, Contessa, and three other people standing in the ruins of a dead planet that's rapidly going to kill them all through tectonic activity or an unbreathable atmosphere or a simple lack of food or water, that's a possible outcome too. The world's not over. It's just going to be very very soon.
 
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Night said:
Well, canonically Glastig Ulaine decided she was gonna try her hand at human genocide right before Yamada talked her out of it, and being by far the most powerful person in the world immediately after the Golden Morning, she probably would have succeeded.

The other thing that has to be remembered is that the Golden Morning doesn't have to play out well because Cauldron has no means to predict the course of the battle, and no way to put a finger on the scales like they normally do. They're so used to being able to do both, as well, that this could really bite them. They think if they do it early the result will be better...but it's a lowercase t, not an uppercase one. There is no real certainty of success. If the story ended with Khepri, Contessa, and three other people standing in the ruins of a dead planet that's rapidly going to kill them all through tectonic activity or an unbreathable atmosphere or a simple lack of food or water, that's a possible outcome too. The world's not over. It's just going to be very very soon.
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Sure, that's possible, but that's possible, maybe even certain, they think, if they do nothing. And I think it's reasonable to say that someone should do something, and if their logic is, "This is something, therefore we should do it" well.

Not the smartest move, by far, but there's a lot that they can't do. After all, if they could just solve the Endbringer problem, then they'd have a lot more time to think and plan, in theory. But they can't, and it's not really fair to them to blame them for being unable to fix that, considering nobody else can either.

Edit: Also, I forgot about the Glaistig genocide thing. Sounds kinda weird, honestly.
 
So, reading about SI's and Tattletale on previous page, I have got a stupid, silly and/or crazy question.

So, the bank job and the SI knowing timeline.
Would it be possible for him to get there, and shortly after Undersiders taking the bank hostage, to fill Tattletale's back with holes (Trenchcoat and lupara optional) and feed other Undersiders bullshit like "She is a turncoat, boss did not approve this run. Her employer is moving in on recently triggered mayor's niece while you catch all the heat."?
 
Dwergar said:
So, reading about SI's and Tattletale on previous page, I have got a stupid, silly and/or crazy question.

So, the bank job and the SI knowing timeline.
Would it be possible for him to get there, and shortly after Undersiders taking the bank hostage, to fill Tattletale's back with holes (Trenchcoat and lupara optional) and feed other Undersiders bullshit like "She is a turncoat, boss did not approve this run. Her employer is moving in on recently triggered mayor's niece while you catch all the heat."?
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No, it really isn't. They trust her too much. Even the ones that really don't like her at all.
 
Dwergar said:
So, reading about SI's and Tattletale on previous page, I have got a stupid, silly and/or crazy question.

So, the bank job and the SI knowing timeline.
Would it be possible for him to get there, and shortly after Undersiders taking the bank hostage, to fill Tattletale's back with holes (Trenchcoat and lupara optional) and feed other Undersiders bullshit like "She is a turncoat, boss did not approve this run. Her employer is moving in on recently triggered mayor's niece while you catch all the heat."?
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>Complete stranger shows up and murders team Thinker.
>Says he (or she) had a good reason, the Thinker is evil and not one of you truly. While being, you know, not one of you and a murderer.
>Has just eliminated your team Thinker, who you would prefer to use to fact check their claims.
>And now is trying to get your team to do things.

Like. Jeez. Even if they hated and distrusted Tattletale, this sounds so hilariously like 'I am trying to con you and alpha striked the one person best able to call me on it', that they'd probably go into complete distrust mode for you for literally forever, because that is not only murder of one of their team members, it's inherently suspicious from a tactical perspective.
 
Terrabrand said:
>Complete stranger shows up and murders team Thinker.
>Says he (or she) had a good reason, the Thinker is evil and not one of you truly. While being, you know, not one of you and a murderer.
>Has just eliminated your team Thinker, who you would prefer to use to fact check their claims.
>And now is trying to get your team to do things.

Like. Jeez. Even if they hated and distrusted Tattletale, this sounds so hilariously like 'I am trying to con you and alpha striked the one person best able to call me on it', that they'd probably go into complete distrust mode for you for literally forever, because that is not only murder of one of their team members, it's inherently suspicious from a tactical perspective.
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Even Micheal Weston would spend a significant amount of effort discrediting and framing the Thinker before pulling this stunt. And this kind of thing is his bread and butter.
 
You might pull it off with Regent. Might. Tattletale? No way in hell. She's the one who holds the team together.

Besides, why would you even want Tattletale dead? She's a good friend to have. If you're gonna just start gunning people down, at least do it to Oni Lee or Hookwolf or something.
 
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Night said:
You might pull it off with Regent. Might. Tattletale? No way in hell. She's the one who holds the team together.

Besides, why would you even want Tattletale dead? She's a good friend to have. If you're gonna just start gunning people down, at least do it to Oni Lee or Hookwolf or something.
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Well, yes. I wouldn't like gunning her down either.
But what better ways for a SI to deny Coil Undersiders as an asset? In that particular scenario, Tattletale might even not end up dead, considering Amy Dallon's presence.
Also, having the same premise of a SI with rough idea of the timeline, is the idea of denying Coil "Thomas Calvert" persona viable? Without engaging Coil in prolonged conflict - just performing assasination of "Thomas Calvert" as he leaves PRT, in a way which forces Coil to abandon civilian identity and go for a new one (Without added perks of being a viable local Director candidate)?

Edit: Yes, his power allows for different actions in different timelines, but wouldn't there be some events where "Thomas Calvert" (Not Coil, mind you) has to be? And, as such, where you would have a reasonable chance of denying him his civilian identity?
 
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Dwergar said:
Well, yes. I wouldn't like gunning her down either.
But what better ways for a SI to deny Coil Undersiders as an asset? In that particular scenario, Tattletale might even not end up dead, considering Amy Dallon's presence.
Also, having the same premise of a SI with rough idea of the timeline, is the idea of denying Coil "Thomas Calvert" persona viable? Without engaging Coil in prolonged conflict - just performing assasination of "Thomas Calvert" as he leaves PRT, in a way which forces Coil to abandon civilian identity and go for a new one (Without added perks of being a viable local Director candidate)?
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If you tried to assassinate Thomas Calvert out of the blue as he was walking him, you'd never find him leaving the PRT building. When you waited for him, he was never there.
 
Segev said:
If you tried to assassinate Thomas Calvert out of the blue as he was walking him, you'd never find him leaving the PRT building. When you waited for him, he was never there.
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He doesn't ever use his power for more than 12-16 hours at a time, and rarely for more than 8 - not because he can't, but because he's not actually a mastermind but an opportunist. All you have to do is get a designer toxin that has no symptoms for the first 24 hours (48 to be safe) and then kills within minutes. By the time he realizes he's poisoned, it'll be too late for him to take back the moment he was dosed.
 
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