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Yeah, indeed. In what world would sane people keep fighting each other, metaphorically and literally, in face of global existential threat?
Wolfenstein: Youngblood
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Oh...ooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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So apparently there's a companion VR game which nobody is talking about. Probably because, being a modern VR game it's not actually very good. And also being a VR game, very few people have the equipment to play it. But it serves as something of a prequel to the events of Youngblood where you play a hacker hijacking Nazi combat robots throughout Paris as part of the uprising. Cool premise in any case.
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This feels like Metal Gear Solid Ground Zeroes storywise, part of a larger game that got removed from it and expanded on a bit to be it's own thing.
Also the game just kind of hits in the face with that Anya is an Abusive parent and then just kind of ignores that. That's weird.
Also the game just kind of hits in the face with that Anya is an Abusive parent and then just kind of ignores that. That's weird.
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I... don't think she was being that abusive? Assuming we're talking about her training of Soph. It was pretty intense and mad-dad like (sidenote: I like that they gave that role to her in training and not BJ), and not something I think was a good thing, but I think calling her 'an abusive parent' for one moment where she's trying to teach her daughter techniques to stay alive and not get murdered is a step too far maybe?
Unless you're talking about some scene I haven't got to yet.
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Anya is no doubt also a high functioning serial killer/psychopath who almost died because she poisoned herself performing a home abortion of a baby of a nazi she seduced and killed so she has issues.
I am not sure if you are being sarcastic or not but anybody with even a limited experience in world history or even just world war 2 can tell you that this isn't exactly hard to believe or even uncommon and I am honestly surprised that this of all things is what you find stupid about the new Wolfenstein. Ever heard of the Warsaw uprising and the treatment of the Poles afterwards by the Red Army or the Greek Civil War, which as far as I remember had the allies fight against anti-nazi, communist resistance groups? And I am sure you could easily find more examples of such events during WW2 if you looked into the issue a bit more closely or if you want another example I would suggest looking at African rebel/anticolonial movements since fights between groups there are depressingly common or hell if that still isn't enough take a look at modern day Syria and its multitude of rebel groups who were/are far from united, especially if you add groups like ISIS, the Kurds and Turkish-backed groups into the mix.
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Yeah, but Wolfenstein Nazis had a good chance to show the world how their rule would apply. Logic would dictate that even if factions/nations hated each other they would at the very least hold that hatred off until Berlin in nothing but a smoking crater, not while there ´s a intact Greater Reich that still has a reasonable chance of winning.
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That final mission. Holy hell, that was fun. IMO, best final mission of the new Wolfensteins, just barely edging out the New Order's final mission.
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Like I said before, a lot of the regions that the Nazis pulled out of probably don't have the means to reach Fortress Europe and definitely not with the numbers, hardware, and logistical backing to fight their way in against whatever considerable fraction of the Nazi warmachine is still standing. So instead they're probably turning on the people within reach while also dealing with the after effects of Nazi occupation in a world where the liberated United States is probably too strapped to offer more than a limited hand at best.
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To a point, yeah. But eventually there would have to be a ceasefire of some sort, even an informal one, because the enemies of Nazism haven't got the resources to keep it up. Tens of millions of people are dead, at least as many have probably been made homeless, vital infrastructure has been wrecked so thoroughly that it will take decades to restore and many countries don't have any legitimate government left above the local level.
Hell, Blaskowitz and his buddies might actually be the closest thing the United States has to a non-Quisling federal administration at the end of The New Colossus, which is a very compelling argument to put killing Nazis in ever-more creative and messy ways on the back-burner for like five minutes while they find someone who knows what the fuck they're doing and hand them the job of cleaning up the mess so they can go back to focusing on their core competency.
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On the one hand, yes this would make sense. On the other hand, it deprives us of the opportunity for President Horton Boone.
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What happened? I'm curious.
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Well, it's partly just well designed - there's a lot of exploration, the combat areas are fun, and there's a couple of big showy fights, one in particular with three or four zerstorers who burst out of nowhere that managed to be tense but also relatively well balanced. The final boss is neat and a unique enemy - he's not as good of a fight as Death's Head, but there's no confusing 'what zeppelins, where' moment either. Also, much as I dislike the enemy armour system, I like how they used it for his different stages. On top of that as a personal experience it was fun due to finally unlocking the 'carry heavy weapons' skill, and picking up the Ubergewehr (I think I'm spelling that right? EDIT: I wasn't, thank you @Grey Rook ), and the idea of toting around what's basically a prototype BFG was a lot of fun.
From an aesthetic standpoint it's nice as well - while you've been in plenty of Nazi secret facilities throughout Wolfenstein, Lab X looks especially slick and menacing, what with its laser grids and weird super-soldier fetus tubes, building up to the very Bioshock feeling top of the building with big concrete statues in the rain. And narratively I liked the climate change analogy, finally finding out what the God Key does, BJ never doubting his daughters' ability to kill Nazis, BJ casually dual wielding shotguns, and literally everything about the ending scenes.
Like I said, it's a close run thing between it and New Order's final mission (which also features intricate shooting galleries, fun narrative moments and aesthetic, and a brutally fun final boss, but imo the verticality of bits of this mission, secret finding, and overall message edge it out over New Order by just a tad.
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'Ubergewehr'. It is the Super Rifle, or Over Rifle.
Also, your spoiler tags are broken.
I see. Thank you for your time.
I was interested, then saw the microtransaction stuff and ugh. Then I saw;
Fuck signing up for a 3rd party service and then the denuvo malware which tanks performance in nearly every case.
Fuck signing up for a 3rd party service and then the denuvo malware which tanks performance in nearly every case.
It uses denuvo DRM, which is known to tank performance.
This game is mediocre. A total disappointment from beginning to end. Boring and repetitive level design, baffling omissions (no pause in single-player, no full-size map - a heinous oversight given the hub-into-open-levels design) and the introduction of leveled-enemy mecanics and lifebars fatally undermines the one thing Wolfenstein TNO and TNC did best - the gunplay. Enemies feel unacceptably bullet spongy and the 'you have to use this gun to breach this armor quickly' doesn't work well at all - it breaks the flow of combat and is awkward as shit.
The whole game just has no sense of bespoke attention to detail or any sort of love and care - none of the levels have been built for stealth so just forget about the stealth kills you could pull off in the previous games, and the cloaking function your power suit has is a cheap kludge which doesn't really help.
The whole game just has no sense of bespoke attention to detail or any sort of love and care - none of the levels have been built for stealth so just forget about the stealth kills you could pull off in the previous games, and the cloaking function your power suit has is a cheap kludge which doesn't really help.
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Watched SkillUp's video the other day and it's pretty much scared me off the game. Can't solo the game, AC Origins's system of leveling, bad writing, a small open world, pretty much nothing I want in a Wolfenstein game.
Like I know it's a spin off and all and priced accordingly, but eh, it doesn't look as good. Which is a shame, because a game making you dislike killing Nazis because of its mechanics is a game that fails at its core objective.
Like I know it's a spin off and all and priced accordingly, but eh, it doesn't look as good. Which is a shame, because a game making you dislike killing Nazis because of its mechanics is a game that fails at its core objective.
Likewise. Saw the Ubification and AI and noped right out. Like, the rest of the criticism is probably valid, but I can't saw how much it would affect me without playing it. The level bars and how the companion acts, though? I can tell I'd hate that without even touching it.
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See, a lot of the other objections here I can get. The levelling system isn't great - the game only really starts to feel Wolfensteiny once you hit level 30 or so, and by the time you get there the game's almost done, and that does suck. You can solo the game, but I can see why people might find the AI partner irritating or unhelpful. The open world doesn't add much to the game other than busywork.
But bad writing? There I have to disagree. Yeah, the sisters are kind of childish and irritating at times. But I think that's the point? That they're kids, and in a better world they'd be back home being kids, but due to the fact that there are fucking Nazis they have to go off and kill them all. Saying that's bad writing... misses the point pretty catastrophically. Same goes for the overall narrative. I just... I can't point to any bits of the writing I'd say were bad. Lurid, maybe. Pulpy, definitely. Maybe even only competent in spots - most of the other Resistance members aren't particularly interesting, and Abby only really becomes interesting later - but nothing bad.
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Fine. But A) that's not the writing being bad, that's you not liking it, two distinct things and B) they're only annoying from time to time. The most annoying they are is in the elevator loading screens and those are very brief and more animation than writing.
Like, don't get me wrong, Youngblood's not as good as New Colossus or New Order (I like it more than Old Blood, but that's personal preference and that makes it very hard to judge how good they actually are comparatively, so I'll abstain from that comparison). It probably is, overall, only a 7.5 or so out of 10, maybe even a 6 depending on personal preference. But people are acting like it's BETRAYED the ESSENCE OF WOLFENSTEIN and is THE WORST THING EVER and a SIGN OF MACHINE GAMES' DOWNFALL. Which is a gross exaggeration. And - maybe I'm being paranoid here, but hey ho - is way way too close to the kind of 'it's too political, the SJWs have taken over the game because girls' kinds of discourse. Which is what 'bad character writing' is often a dogwhistle for in the gaming community.
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