Halcyon Days
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Winter is Coming: House Stark Quest
- Thread starter Charcolt
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Dark Abstraction
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To be fair, we'd be booting Doran out on his ass with the other vote, so there's still censure happening. We'd just put his daughter on his ruling seat afterwards, rather than killing them all.
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Pretty ironic considering most of the Free Cities regard the Westerosii as barbarians.
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Pretty ironic considering most of the Free Cities regard the Westerosii as barbarians.
I meant it that way!
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Okay, in that case that's a pretty fantastic idea.I meant it that way!
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To be fair they ain't weong.Pretty ironic considering most of the Free Cities regard the Westerosii as barbarians.
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[X] A good king is merciful. A good king doesn't punish the innocent for the crimes of the dead. Right? Right? Ok fuck it, send Edric and Dacey out of the tent.
Walpurgis Knight
Guardian of Folkvang
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[X] A good king is merciful. A good king doesn't punish the innocent for the crimes of the dead. Right? Right? Ok fuck it, send Edric and Dacey out of the tent.
I don't want to drag Dacey into a foursome. Grey Wind is enough protection.
I don't want to drag Dacey into a foursome. Grey Wind is enough protection.
Walpurgis Knight
Guardian of Folkvang
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Would this work?
Not entirely sure we need regional advisors if we have so many small council positions
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Brynden Tully is a better fit for the Kingsguard. Barristan Selmy went off somewhere after winning the Trial by Combat. He's probably with Daenerys.
I'm not voting for anyone other than Davos for Hand of the King. The Manderlys were lords of White Harbor. You can bet they've worked with merchants. Wyman could be Master of Trade.
The Westerlands could use a representative on the Council. We kept our deal with Tyrion, I think he could be given a spot. If not Master of Coin then Master of Trade or Master of Works.
The Master of Laws, not the commander of the Kingsguard, is in charge of the City Watch.
Giving the crown direct authority over the roads within the territories of his LP's is a crisis waiting to happen. A Master of Works focused on civil engineering and infrastructure is easier to create a position for.
Rolland Storm would be a good fit for a position on the Kingsguard. Maybe not the LC, but definitely on the Kingsguard. Or assign him as head of the City Watch.
The Master of Foreign Affairs should have some familiarity with diplomacy, but should not be someone from Essos (or spent so much of their life their that it's close enough to it).
The Crownlands is now combined with the Stormlands and they're under the King's direct authority. Hightower may be competent, but do we want someone from the Reach administering the royal lands?
Although things lining up too much with the council for Bobby B Quest could be boring. Roose was Master of Whispers there too (and for my part, Tyrion was Master of Coin and Brynden LC of the Kingsguard).
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Fair enough
While Davos is a good and loyal man, I'm not entirely sure he would be the best hand of the king. I'd preffer not to give a Lannister, even if it's Tyrion, too high of a position on the small council so he shouldn't be master of coin. Both however do deserve some position on the small council.
Originally yes, the intention of Genji was to reduce the power of some of the more powerful members of the small council by giving some of their responsibilities to other positions. Thats probably why the kingsguard are commanding the city watch here.
I'd think someone with a large familiarity with essos would also do an ok job. As for her loyalties, her eldest daughter would be a lady paramount and she seems to care a lot about her childen.
If we pick nobility from the crownlands, they will inevitibly bias their decisions towards their own house, hence the need to pick someone from an outside region.
So that would mean changing things around to this.
Hand of the King [Prime Minister]: Randyll Tarly
Master of Coin [Finance Minister]: Wyman Manderly
Master of Laws [Justice Minister]: "Bronze" Yohn Royce
Master of Ships [Navy Minister]: Jason Mallister
Master of Whispers [Intelligence Minister]: Roose Bolton
Master of Arms [Army Minister]: Rolland Storm
Grand Maester [Head of the Archmaesters]: Cressen
Master of Trade [Trade Minister]: Davos Seaworth
Lord-Commander of the Kingsguard [Head of the Kingsguard & Commander of the City Watch]: Brynden Tully
Master of Earth [Agriculture & Fisheries Minister]: Eldon Estermont
Master of Works [Civil engineering and Infrastructure Minister]: Tyrion Lannister
Master of Essosi Affairs [Foreign Minister]: Lady Mellario
Master of the Crownlands [Administrator for the Crownlands & the Royal Demesne]: Gunthor Hightower
Master of Coin [Finance Minister]: Wyman Manderly
Master of Laws [Justice Minister]: "Bronze" Yohn Royce
Master of Ships [Navy Minister]: Jason Mallister
Master of Whispers [Intelligence Minister]: Roose Bolton
Master of Arms [Army Minister]: Rolland Storm
Grand Maester [Head of the Archmaesters]: Cressen
Master of Trade [Trade Minister]: Davos Seaworth
Lord-Commander of the Kingsguard [Head of the Kingsguard & Commander of the City Watch]: Brynden Tully
Master of Earth [Agriculture & Fisheries Minister]: Eldon Estermont
Master of Works [Civil engineering and Infrastructure Minister]: Tyrion Lannister
Master of Essosi Affairs [Foreign Minister]: Lady Mellario
Master of the Crownlands [Administrator for the Crownlands & the Royal Demesne]: Gunthor Hightower
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Master of Whispers [Spymaster]: Roose Bolton
- Do you trust Roose Bolton enough to give him that polished dagger that he could potentially deliver to your kidneys?
Master of Arms [Army Minister]: "Bronze" Yohn Royce
-This position requires someone loyal but also adept at logistics. Doesn't really need a warrior persona per say.
My intention was to reduce powers accumulated by the small council members. As for the city watch, having it be detached from the Master of Laws makes logical sense because the City Watch of King's Landing should not really be under the purview of a Master of the Realm. No more than the City Watch of Winterfell that is. Having it under the Lord Commander of the Kingsguard would simplify security matters and ensure that the loyalty of the City Watch is unquestionable. I.E in the event of civil strife, the Master of Laws cannot order the City Watch to assault the Red Keep. It also allows the King to give away the position of the Master of Laws to someone who might not truly be a loyalist but rather a non-enemy.
In terms of the potential of having simple 'advisors' in the small council, it affords a voice to and representation from the various constituent realms without giving them a significant Master position. I.E If you really hate the Iron Born and don't want them in any of your Master positions, having one as a simple advisor would allow at least their voice to be 'heard' and hopefully concentrate political maneuvering to within the council and reduce the chance of civil conflicts.
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Tarly's a regular hardass. That's great for a Master of Laws. Not sure if it's so great for Hand of the King. That person has to manage, persuade, or work around all these egos on the council, while also being a voice of common sense and a man that will speak straightly with the King. For that, I'd pick Davos every time. Plus, he's risen from Flea Bottom to where he is now. I'd like for a guy who's experienced that range of perspectives to be our Hand.
Why let the Maesters choose their rep on the council? We'll pick our own grand maester. Cressen is already grand maester, we might as well keep him on. And it's another position on the council that the Stormlanders will appreciate.
Arianne Martell could be Master of Foreign Affairs. Or maybe Lord Velaryon.
Nope, it just that the other options I can think of are not significantly more trustworthy and are much less competant.
I can't see Tarly doing anything other than being a voice of common sense and speaking straightly to Robb. As for managing the rest of the council, he might be a bit more brutal about it but I think he can do it, the same does not go for Davos who will probably not have as easy of a time dealing with Noble politics.
Maesters picking their own rep is traditional, but we should keep Cressen.
Current lord Velarion is not really that suited for diplomcy unless I'm remembering things wrong. As for Arianne, I'd preffer not to have her and Shireen in the same castle.
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I'm thinking that perhaps a bastard or minor nobility as Master of Whispers might be better. After all, there is great loyalty to the man who raised you up from the depths of poverty. Also, it might be a good idea to avoid having Targaryen or Blackfyre loyalists on the council, since the fake-ageon/targaryens are invading with dragons at the moment.
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If House Velaryon remains loyal to us, I don't really have any objections with making them Master of Ships, they have far more experience with commanding fleets compared to the Mallister's small defensive 'fleet'. Redwyne is out since he stick with Renly to the bitter end, and Manderly are more valuable as the proposed Master of Trade.
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I think Wyman Manderly would be the best choice for Master of Whisperers. He executed a revenge plan against the Freys while sheltering Davos and laying the groundwork for Rickon's return, he's unquestionably loyal (huge for the spymaster), and as master of a major port he has the experience and deep pockets to build a spy network. Eventually Arya can take over presumably as she'd be quite good at it too.
In contrast Roose is... what, creepy and treacherous? Not what we want for a spymaster.
Davos will be our Hand, no ifs ands or buts. He's excellent at it and there is precedent in Septon Barth.
Give another Manderly or a Mallister Master of Ships. Master of Coin can be Tyrion if he stays loyal, else a Crownlander or Dornish would be best given their trade connections with the east.
In contrast Roose is... what, creepy and treacherous? Not what we want for a spymaster.
Davos will be our Hand, no ifs ands or buts. He's excellent at it and there is precedent in Septon Barth.
Give another Manderly or a Mallister Master of Ships. Master of Coin can be Tyrion if he stays loyal, else a Crownlander or Dornish would be best given their trade connections with the east.
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Witch-King
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Wyman Manderly is too fat to come down to the capitol to be on the Small Council. Better have his son and heir, Ser Wylis Manderly, if we are going to give a Manderly a seat on the Council.
The Hand of the King needs to have exceptional Administration and Diplomacy skills. Davos was a smuggler. While I don't doubt that Davos is the most loyal man we have, we need someone more competent to rule the entire continent efficiently.
And yes, Bolton is a poor choice for us. He was fine for Bobby B, but he hates the Starks.
That reminds me. @Charcolt, Did Ned execute "Reek" like we discussed but was never put to a vote? Or did that bastard escape again?
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Charcolt
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It was never put to a vote because everybody forgot that the Reek incident began at Hornwood when Lord Hornwood and his heir were killed in canon, leaving his widow to Ramsay's cruelties. We'll switch to Jon and Ned soon to focus on the North.