Why Are Certain Female Marketed Franchises So Disliked?

Oh dear god no he's not. I know "musical taste is subjective" and all that but Bieber sounds like a mutated goat with a broken leg.

As someone who's been around since New Kids on the Block were a thing I can honestly say Bieber is several orders of magnitude worse than "generic boy-singer doing manufactured lyrics." Most of them at least have a passable grasp of how to sing, from a purely technical perspective. Hell, I drew a comparison to Brittney and the hate she faced earlier, but even she had one or two tracks that were at least somewhat catchy. I'll admit I've caught myself enjoying a Brittney track once or twice before being informed who the artist was--and I'm really not a pop fan. The few times Bieber's music has invaded my car stereo or pandora station my immediate reaction has been "Oh my god what is this godawful shit!" and an immediate, desperate urge to turn it off to spare the horrors being inflicted on my ears--only to discover afterward who the artist was.
I agree with the above though I note that Nikki Webster was possibly worse than Bieber. Google her song strawberry kisses if you hate yourself and want to self flagellate with earworms.
20 shades had some redeming features in it.

The girl admits that the relationship she's in is unhealthy, the book admits that Grey is F'ed up in the head and is not a ideal choice for an ideal romantic relationship. The book is basically porn but it admits that the charaters are flawed and the main charaters actually feel like they have at least some amount of depth to them.

The Heroine of the story is actually pretty funny at times too, the first time I heard Whore Drawers I laughed.

Bella was an unlikeable psycopath honestly there was no saving her as a charater.

Edward though is salavagable think about it he is a literal hundred year old vampire virgin who dispite his looks and wealth could not get laid for a HUNDRED years. As a star of a comedy he would be god damned hilarious.

I had to watch all seven twilight movies at my former workplace the movies were bad but they had the ponetial to be so much more.
Oh man I would read/watch the shit out of Edward Cullen and the Century of Cockblock.

Edit: actually, that might be a pretty entertaining round-robin writing challenge. Anyone interested?
 
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Have you considered you may be old? :)

Musical tastes do solidify with age, they say....
I don't think this is due to musical tastes solidifying with age at all, I recognise that most of the music I've been enjoying in my teenage years is trash, it's just that it's familiar trash while Bieber is new trash (actually it's now old trash too).
 
Have you considered you may be old? :)


Musical tastes do solidify with age, they say....

Considering I listen to the likes of Skrillex, Macklemore, Mary Lambert, and Of Monsters and Men--in addition to just about everything from Prohibition-era blues and swing to KMFDM...

...yeah, I'm gonna hazard a guess that age and calcified musical tastes aren't much of a factor. I just have sufficiently good hearing in my advanced age to know when someone's off-key and can't carry a tune with a bucket. :p
 
Considering I listen to the likes of Skrillex, Macklemore, Mary Lambert, and Of Monsters and Men--in addition to just about everything from Prohibition-era blues and swing to KMFDM...

...yeah, I'm gonna hazard a guess that age and calcified musical tastes aren't much of a factor. I just have sufficiently good hearing in my advanced age to know when someone's off-key and can't carry a tune with a bucket. :p
Buckets are actually pretty good aids in teaching someone how to sing in tune, because the acoustics in there makes the sound waves bounce straight back to the ear, and they can hear how shit they sound more easily, so they try harder to fix it.
 
Buckets are actually pretty good aids in teaching someone how to sing in tune, because the acoustics in there makes the sound waves bounce straight back to the ear, and they can hear how shit they sound more easily, so they try harder to fix it.

Hence why not being able to carry a tune with a bucket is such an impressive level of fail.

I mean, FFS, we have Autotune, there is no reason anyone's ears should be subjected to such tone deaf howling.
 
Hence why not being able to carry a tune with a bucket is such an impressive level of fail.

I mean, FFS, we have Autotune, there is no reason anyone's ears should be subjected to such tone deaf howling.
Fucking autotune is half the reason why a bunch of chart-topping performers can't fucking sing a note.

The other half of the reason is composed of punk music, and people having bad taste.
 
I'd say misogyny but I'd say it's basically the fact that women are a break out market in Hollywood, and so they're getting a set of things we're used too in guys, IE dumb as shit lowest common denominator stuff that you watch for the fanservice and as mindless entertainment. Just we're not used to what mindless entertainment for young women looks like so it seems much more alien to us.

Twilight isn't any dumber than Michael Bay's transformers.
But does anyone actually admit to liking Bays Transformers?
 
Fucking autotune is half the reason why a bunch of chart-topping performers can't fucking sing a note.

The other half of the reason is composed of punk music, and people having bad taste.

Now where did I save that "Obvious Troll is Obvious" image? :rolleyes:

For those that care (all none of you) the reason a lot of punk music sounds so rediculously lo-fi was that it began as a backlash against the slick, overproduced music being pumped out by record labels. The entire punk aesthetic was built around the notion of eschewing a polished, marketable image and instead being intentionally raw, grating, and real. This wasn't even an entirely new concept, just not something that was picked up and promoted. That doesn't mean there weren't plenty of punk bands who could, in fact, carry a tune--or that guttural, growling vocals are necessarily incompatible with skilled musicianship and proper pitch. Hell, blues and jazz musicians had been rocking that combination for decades. Ever heard of Tom Waits or Lois Armstrong?

Of course, it doesn't help that most people's exposure to punk consists largely of exaggerated charactures played up in popular media for satire, or the crap the labels started churning out to try and capitalize on punk's popularity--which arguably isn't that different from the boy bands we've been discussing. None of it reflects actual punk music as a genre.

Honestly, the plethora of chart-topping "musicians" with no musical skill to speak of has less to do with autotune (it predates that invention by a large margin) and more to do with the recording industry's shift from marketing music to just plain marketing. Autotune exists because the recording industry considers musicianship to be a secondary priority in it's "artists," not because it signed a bunch of photogenic, marketable "musicians" before realizing they couldn't sing.
 
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Most complaints I've heard about this have been only on SB and SV, and have stated that the show, action, and choreography is good but the main character seems to drain all agency from the supporting cast. That is hardly the most negative commentary I've heard about a show or fandom, unless I have missed some things.


Sonic fandom is terrible. You know why MLP fandom is disliked? Sonic fandom is like that, but way, way worse.
Do you mind being more specific?

The only stated examples thus far have been a dislike of Original Characters, badly done fan works, and some Rule 34. That doesn't seem too bad, and the Sonic fandom doesn't seem too vocal. I haven't heard of any major Sonic fandom sites, though attempting to search does turn up results I have to actually look for them in search engines and Sony forums.
 
But does anyone actually admit to liking Bays Transformers?

Eh, a little. It's like someone made a really high-budget movie off of bad fan fiction: The plot and characters have been "re-imagined" by the author to the point that they're barely recognizable in some places, there's too much focus on his Marty Stu wish fulfillment character and his unrealistic romance with the super hot, super popular, super into mechanics girl from his high school that has about Zero reason to be interested in him, and the plot itself is rather weak--but at least there's lots of nifty robot fights and explosions with bits flying everywhere. :rolleyes:
 
Now where did I save that "Obvious Troll is Obvious" image? :rolleyes:

For those that care (all none of you) the reason a lot of punk music sounds so rediculously lo-fi was that it began as a backlash against the slick, overproduced music being pumped out by record labels. The entire punk aesthetic was built around the notion of eschewing a polished, marketable image and instead being intentionally raw, grating, and real. This wasn't even an entirely new concept, just not something that was picked up and promoted. That doesn't mean there weren't plenty of punk bands who could, in fact, carry a tune--or that guttural, growling vocals are necessarily incompatible with skilled musicianship and proper pitch. Hell, blues and jazz musicians had been rocking that combination for decades. Ever heard of Tom Waits or Lois Armstrong?

Of course, it doesn't help that most people's exposure to punk consists largely of exaggerated charactures played up in popular media for satire, or the crap the labels started churning out to try and capitalize on punk's popularity--which arguably isn't that different from the boy bands we've been discussing. None of it reflects actual punk music as a genre.

Honestly, the plethora of chart-topping "musicians" with no musical skill to speak of has less to do with autotune (it predates that invention by a large margin) and more to do with the recording industry's shift from marketing music to just plain marketing. Autotune exists because the recording industry considers musicianship to be a secondary priority in it's "artists," not because it signed a bunch of photogenic, marketable "musicians" before realizing they couldn't sing.
Actually, I meant what I said about punk music in all seriousness.


Now don't get me wrong. I fucking love punk. I could listen to Dead Kennedys and the Clash and Spiderbait and the Living End (their earlier stuff was punky, their later stuff has mellowed a bit) all day.

BUT.

The thing about a lot of the earlier examples of punk, especially the Sex Pistols (though Pretty Vacant is a fun song) is that it didn't necessarily require any actual skill with the instruments or singing to be a success. It was sold on performance and attitude, not musical skill.

Unfortunately the lesson learned here by producers was that you didn't need someone with actual skill, just "X factor" or "Star quality" or "Je ne sais qua" (or however you spell it) in order to make a LOT of money.
 
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